Trying this again.

On the Trade table

May

Lever

Salem

spargo

Oliver

Petty (if they won’t put him down back again)

Langdon - 30 start of next year

Delist

Spargo if no interest

Kbrown

Woewodin

Laurie

Mcadam

Players to look at even for depth

Buku

M Rosas

W Brodie

Erasmus

A Davis

Flanders

M Ramsden

Hustwaite

23 minutes ago, KoltTheRam said:

I haven't watched much of Heath, but his VFL performances have been stated as good, and seems well liked and regarded at the saints. Would be worth a shout if we decide not to continue with Verrall and the saints add TDK. Would any VFL watchers know if he has any Forward Ability?

Heaths contested marking si one of his biggest strengths. One touch player.

I hope we are interested because I have no doubt he could become a Hayden McLean type forward who can go into the ruck and give a decent chop out

Kicked 5 goals in a VFL game last year.

8 hours ago, Demongirl35 said:

Trying this again.

On the Trade table

May

Lever

Salem

spargo

Oliver

Petty (if they won’t put him down back again)

Langdon - 30 start of next year

Delist

Spargo if no interest

Kbrown

Woewodin

Laurie

Mcadam

Players to look at even for depth

Buku

M Rosas

W Brodie

Erasmus

A Davis

Flanders

M Ramsden

Hustwaite

Flanders isn't depth, and someone we should be looking at!

8 hours ago, Demongirl35 said:

Trying this again.

On the Trade table

May

Lever

Salem

spargo

Oliver

Petty (if they won’t put him down back again)

Langdon - 30 start of next year

Delist

Spargo if no interest

Kbrown

Woewodin

Laurie

Mcadam

Players to look at even for depth

Buku

M Rosas

W Brodie

Erasmus

A Davis

Flanders

M Ramsden

Hustwaite

Mostly agree. My take:

Trade -

Lever, May, Sparrow, Spargo, Viney, Fritsch, Salem. If there is interest in these guys

Cut:

T-Mac, Melksham - Purely looking to the future.

Target - Flanders, S. Walsh, JUH if possible, H. Reid, CJ(Hawks), Reeves, L. Aleer, Windhager

Depth - O. Lord, L. Ryan, Derkson, Pedlar, Wehr, Hobbs, Tsatis, Perkins, B. Scott, W. Phillips

8 hours ago, Demongirl35 said:

Trying this again.

On the Trade table

May

Lever

Salem

spargo

Oliver

Petty (if they won’t put him down back again)

Langdon - 30 start of next year

Delist

Spargo if no interest

Kbrown

Woewodin

Laurie

Mcadam

Players to look at even for depth

Buku

M Rosas

W Brodie

Erasmus

A Davis

Flanders

M Ramsden

Hustwaite

Agree with all the trades - would add Sparrow to that mix.

1 hour ago, Travy14 said:

Mostly agree. My take:

Trade -

Lever, May, Sparrow, Spargo, Viney, Fritsch, Salem. If there is interest in these guys

Cut:

T-Mac, Melksham - Purely looking to the future.

Target - Flanders, S. Walsh, JUH if possible, H. Reid, CJ(Hawks), Reeves, L. Aleer, Windhager

Depth - O. Lord, L. Ryan, Derkson, Pedlar, Wehr, Hobbs, Tsatis, Perkins, B. Scott, W. Phillips

We all love the Dees. But sometimes our dreams are like kids with “Rainbows and unicorns”. Walsh ? Reid??? Windhager?? JUH? We have zero cap , zero appeal, zero to attract real targets and … Flanders as depth (he walks into our best 18)

12 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

@Turner I like it. Similar to my thinking. Ruthless where required. Not just the boring repetitive dialogue about getting rid of Oliver and Trac. There are ways to regenerate and rid of many list cloggers. Overall outstanding work.

Maybe harsh on Woey and Verrall who I think maybe can get there at AFL level

I like the reach to grab Max Heath. If TDK joins the Saints, then Dees must go for Heath with a 3 year deal, where can play 2nd ruck and forward , and be a successor to Gawn.

@spirit of norm smith my thinking with woey is too vanilla, what are his strengths and what role does he play at afl level and who does he go past

the heath links were called out as "done deal" by i think it was Finey on SEN on a sunday night maybe three weeks back, i was listening on my way home, from work maybe 20mins after the final siren (maybe after heaths debut game?) didnt record the audio unfortunately or go back and look too hard for it

11 hours ago, Demongirl35 said:

Players to look at even for depth

W Brodie, Erasmus, A Davis, Hustwaite

my issue with targetting these players is theyre just more of the same, theyre somewhere between vfl and afl and dont offer anything different from what we have. realistically a midfield needs

1x DEF minded tackler/first hands operator. for us this is Viney/Oliver/Langford the perfect example is Geelong Atkins and youve named Brodie/Davies/Hustwaite

1x kicker we have nil but maybe Lindsay/Windsor, this is Holmes

1x burst "striker" Petracca/Kozzy/Rivers? who dont deliver it particularly well but exit with power and intent Danger/BaileySmith

the dogs use Libba/Richards/Bont

suns its rowell/anderson/touk (second two fairly interchangeable

lions its dunkley/clug/washcroft

3 hours ago, Travy14 said:

Mostly agree. My take:

Trade - Fritsch,

Target - Flanders, S. Walsh, JUH if possible, H. Reid, CJ(Hawks), Reeves, L. Aleer, Windhager

Depth - O. Lord, L. Ryan, Derkson, Pedlar, Wehr, Hobbs, Tsatis, Perkins, B. Scott, W. Phillips

I like your mention of Pedlar offers more than Spargo and Sharp imo,

Lord i woulda mentioned 12 months ago but jsut doesnt seem to have the minerals to really smash a pack. i wish we'd targetted Peter Wright instead of BBB all those years ago when both moved for 4th rounders despite the flag Wright would be 28 now same age bracket as our core for the last 3 years and would protect JVR/MJ and allow Petty to play back, coulda been such an enabling piece of the puzzle

Walsh's back is [censored]ed dont go near him

fritsch is the one u have to keep of all the 25+ yo we have, he is too good on his day and in the right system will thrive and young enough to still have 5-7 years ahead of him look at gunston and what hes doing

1. Stephen May - keep

2. Jacob van Rooyen - keep

3. Christian Salem - assess trade options, likely keep

4. Judd McVee - hopefully keep, but clearly has value

5. Christian Petracca - trade if the deal suits

6. Caleb Windsor - keep

7. Jack Viney - keep

8. Jake Lever - trade if the deal suits

9. Charlie Spargo - keep, but i think he'll leave as an rfa

10. Daniel Turner - keep

11. Max Gawn - keep

12. Koltyn Tholstrup - keep

13. Clayton Oliver - trade if the deal suits

14. Jack Billings - delist

15. Ed Langdon - keep

16. Bailey Laurie - under contract, so keep

17. Jake Bowey - keep

18. Jake Melksham - keep

19. Harvey Langford - keep

20. Xavier Lindsay - keep

21. Matthew Jefferson - keep

22. Blake Howes - keep

23. Shane McAdam - under contract, so have to keep

24. Trent Rivers - keep

25. Tom McDonald - up to him; ideally keep

26. Jed Adams - keep

27. Marty Hore - delist

28. Will Verrall - keep

29. Tom Campbell - unbelievably, keep

30. Harry Sharp - keep

31. Bailey Fritsch - trade if the deal suits

32. Tom Sparrow - keep, unless we can get something for him, which i doubt

33. Tom Fullarton - delist

34. Kalani White - hopefully!

35. Harrison Petty - keep

36. Kysaiah Pickett - keep

37. Kade Chandler - keep

38. Ollie Sestan - keep

39. Ricky Mentha, Jr. - keep

40. Taj Woewodin - delist

41. Nathan Brown - delist

42. Aidan Johnson - keep

43. Jack Henderson - delist

44. Luker Kentfield - keep

45. Andy Moniz-Wakefield - keep

46. Jai Culley - keep

so of our current list i have 6 set to go at the end of the year - we don't even have that many picks in the draft, as yet

if the following scenarious played out...

• mcvee: fremantle seems to be the talk of the town, so if we can get something for him, it may be an option - imagine the offer will start at 2nd round

• petracca: trade to dingley for carlton's first round pick + james worpel...then watch on in horror as he becomes this generation's shaun burgoyne where he plays in three more flags and we draft the equivalent of john 'the future' butcher

• lever: if we could get something of value from north for him, great, but i don't think it'll happen

• spargo: his body has been mismanaged; he should leave as a free agent - think he'll be good value for a contender as he's so smart with the ball in hand...if only he'd get it more

• oliver: can't see us getting anything of value for him

• laurie: can't see anyone wanting him; if we could get something for him - amassing points to cover white, sinnema, or prasad in 2026 or some such would mean he'd be going out for a top 40 pick, which i just don't see happening

• campbell: i'm amazed another club hasn't approached him in the last few years; you can't tell me he's not a better tap ruckman and likely around the ground player than stanley as an example

• fritsch: don't think we can replace his goalkicking personally, and i don't know if he'd be as 'valued' as he should be, but clubs would be mad not to chase him imo; could be a 'finisher' for a bears, a filth, a footscray or potentially replace tex as third banana at the crom

• sparrow: i just don't rate him and i guess we're stuck with him

so that would be mcvee, trac, spargo, potentially fritsch off the list as well - that's potentially 10 list changes with the delistees, for one player in, in worpel, who i think is more likely to stay at dingley or go to another team where he's at a 'cotender'

no idea who we are looking at bringing in other than kalani white, toby sinnema, and seemingly wade derksen

9 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

We all love the Dees. But sometimes our dreams are like kids with “Rainbows and unicorns”. Walsh ? Reid??? Windhager?? JUH? We have zero cap , zero appeal, zero to attract real targets and … Flanders as depth (he walks into our best 18)

Im not saying all of them but rry land one, and there is cap space, especially if you can move on a A Salem/Lever then Max, Viney finish up in the next couple of years. Easy to back end a deal.

We landed May, Lever, Langdon, Hibbard and Melk when the club was in a worse position.

I didn't have Flanders as depth, had hin #1 in the Trade target, he won't be cheap either, but I think he will be much cheaper than he is worth

8 hours ago, Turner said:

@spirit of norm smith my thinking with woey is too vanilla, what are his strengths and what role does he play at afl level and who does he go past

the heath links were called out as "done deal" by i think it was Finey on SEN on a sunday night maybe three weeks back, i was listening on my way home, from work maybe 20mins after the final siren (maybe after heaths debut game?) didnt record the audio unfortunately or go back and look too hard for it

my issue with targetting these players is theyre just more of the same, theyre somewhere between vfl and afl and dont offer anything different from what we have. realistically a midfield needs

1x DEF minded tackler/first hands operator. for us this is Viney/Oliver/Langford the perfect example is Geelong Atkins and youve named Brodie/Davies/Hustwaite

1x kicker we have nil but maybe Lindsay/Windsor, this is Holmes

1x burst "striker" Petracca/Kozzy/Rivers? who dont deliver it particularly well but exit with power and intent Danger/BaileySmith

the dogs use Libba/Richards/Bont

suns its rowell/anderson/touk (second two fairly interchangeable

lions its dunkley/clug/washcroft

I like your mention of Pedlar offers more than Spargo and Sharp imo,

Lord i woulda mentioned 12 months ago but jsut doesnt seem to have the minerals to really smash a pack. i wish we'd targetted Peter Wright instead of BBB all those years ago when both moved for 4th rounders despite the flag Wright would be 28 now same age bracket as our core for the last 3 years and would protect JVR/MJ and allow Petty to play back, coulda been such an enabling piece of the puzzle

Walsh's back is [censored]ed dont go near him

fritsch is the one u have to keep of all the 25+ yo we have, he is too good on his day and in the right system will thrive and young enough to still have 5-7 years ahead of him look at gunston and what hes doing

If someone comes and offers you a good deal you take it for Fritta. Easy to say that about Gunston now, three years ago he was cooked at Bris and 12 months ago it was crazy that Hawks gave him another year.

All the players I've listed as trades are only if the deal is right, Im by no means pushing them out the door.

14 hours ago, Travy14 said:

Flanders isn't depth, and someone we should be looking at!

That’s why I said ‘even if depth’

so includes both

I would make Lever Captain. Clearly our best leader .

Trade

Salem

Sparrow

Trac

Spargo if any value.

McVee

How Tim Lamb is still holding the position of List Manager is completely baffling.

Regardless of coaching structures and leadership, this man has recruited the following players:

• Schache

• Dunstan

• Billings

• Fullarton

• McAdam

• Hunter

• Grundy (which was never going to work)

It has been a complete and utter disaster since 2021. And yet again, like any mediocrity, the football club have simply allowed people to perform this way and not be held to account.

Oliver has to go for both player and club. We will cop some salary but we need to free up the rest.

Jvr, love to trade him but has lost any value

Sparrow can we con a second round pick out of Adelaide will be in the 40s.

Need to keep Petracca.

The other that I would throw out there to see what offers you get is Bailey Fritsch.

No point talking about who to target if we cant clear cap space

On 30/07/2025 at 01:03, Turner said:

Key Defenders: May, Petty, Turner, Adams, Derksen, White

General Def: Lever, McVee, Salem, Bowey, Moniz-Wakefield (A), Howes, Sestan (A)

Midfielders: Oliver, Viney, Petracca, Rivers, Windsor, Langdon, Langford, Sparrow, Lindsay, Laurie, Sinnema

Rucks: Gawn, Heath

General Fwd: Fritsch, Pickett, Chandler, Melksham, Sharp, Tholstrup, Johnson, McAdam, KBrown (A), Mentha (B), Rosas, Dovaston

Key Forwards: van Rooyen, Jefferson, Kentfield (A)

OUT: McDonald, Hore, Billings, Woewodin, Culley, Campbell, Verrall, Spargo, Henderson, Fullarton

Anyone in italics I'd listen to offers on

Bold are the ins i want or have been speculated

Sestan, Kynan Brown survive but only just, key forward cupboard is so bare and only the first 4 of currently listed forwards are actually capable afl players

Heath?

Verrall was on the field for half the time, and got more taps/hits to advantage – mainly against Heath.

Maybe we should go and get Harry Boyd as well? Where is his fan base from last year?

9 hours ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

How Tim Lamb is still holding the position of List Manager is completely baffling.

Regardless of coaching structures and leadership, this man has recruited the following players:

• Schache

• Dunstan

• Billings

• Fullarton

• McAdam

• Hunter

• Grundy (which was never going to work)

It has been a complete and utter disaster since 2021. And yet again, like any mediocrity, the football club have simply allowed people to perform this way and not be held to account.

I think all the extra years on lots of players contracts are another of his failures. I am like you and can’t believe he still has his job.

We still have 16 players unsigned from this year, will be interesting to see how it plays out. These players are Moniz-Wakefield, Spargo, Sharp, Billings, Henderson, Culley, Melksham, McVee, Brown, Hore, Sestan, Woewodin, Campbell, Fullarton, McDonald, Verrall.

Moniz-Wakefield should get another year, showed some attributes last year and was unlucky to do his ACL in preseason.

Spargo is a tougher one, but I think we need to be a bit ruthless here. Has been given chances this year and hasn't shown me any reason to deserve another contract. Apparently has played in 10 games this year somehow.

Sharp gets another contract. I would like to see him play a game on the wing this weekend, given Lindsay is out. With his run could be a weapon, still has a way to go though.

Billings is probably more likely to retire. Has been a good VFL player but hasn't translated to the AFL for us unfortunately.

Henderson is a 50/50 for me. He's a depth option but didn't get near in it in a few AFL games. If we need to make space for additions I think he gets cut.

Culley should get another contract. Gets a chance to show his worth this week and has earned it with 2 huge VFL games in the last few weeks.

Melksham should get another year if he wants it. Is a fantastic mentor for JVR and Jeffo and can kick important bags.

McVee has one foot out the door in my opinion. Is a non-free agent so we should get a trade return from that perspective. However, is dissapointing as he has shown a lot in the last few years.

Brown is another tough one. I would lean towards giving him a one year contract, get another preseason under his belt and see how he goes.

Hore is 99% to be delisted. Has been cruelled by injury and seems like a great guy so this one hurts a little.

Sestan is another interesting one. If not for injuries I would say he would've had a debut by now. I feel like he probably gets another contract considering there is apparent interest around the league in him according to Fox Footy a few months back.

Woewodin is another difficult one. I think he has stalled in his development this year, and being kept out of the team and even the emergencies in a year of poor performance from the team is very telling. Probably ends up getting delisted, may get picked up in WA.

Campbell is also interesting. Is a great person and team player, who has seemingly pushed Verrall out of the number 1 ruck spot in the VFL. I feel he may get another year if he wants it unless he retires.

Fullarton is 99% to be delisted. Has also been cruelled by injury, had 2 games this year and did struggle to make any impact. A relevant example of our poor trading since 2021.

TMac. What a servant he has been for this team. Him playing next year is a two part thing. 1. It depends on whether he wants to continue playing. 2. It may also depend on what trades/moves we make. If we keep both May + Lever and add Derksen, he may not return. However if for example we trade Lever to North, I would be giving TMac a contract to get him to 250 games. He deserves it.

Verrall is another tricky one to gauge. I would be leaning towards a one year contract, however if our interest in Max Heath from the saints comes into fruition, they may lean towards cutting him lose.

So a little summary:

Retire: Billings, TMac?

Delisted: Fullarton, Hore

Leaning towards Delisted: Woewodin, Verrall, Henderson, Spargo

Leaning towards new contract: Brown, Campbell, Sestan,

Keep: Moniz-Wakefield, Melksham, Culley, Sharp

Trade: McVee (if needed)

4 minutes ago, KoltTheRam said:

We still have 16 players unsigned from this year, will be interesting to see how it plays out. These players are Moniz-Wakefield, Spargo, Sharp, Billings, Henderson, Culley, Melksham, McVee, Brown, Hore, Sestan, Woewodin, Campbell, Fullarton, McDonald, Verrall.

Moniz-Wakefield should get another year, showed some attributes last year and was unlucky to do his ACL in preseason.

Spargo is a tougher one, but I think we need to be a bit ruthless here. Has been given chances this year and hasn't shown me any reason to deserve another contract. Apparently has played in 10 games this year somehow.

Sharp gets another contract. I would like to see him play a game on the wing this weekend, given Lindsay is out. With his run could be a weapon, still has a way to go though.

Billings is probably more likely to retire. Has been a good VFL player but hasn't translated to the AFL for us unfortunately.

Henderson is a 50/50 for me. He's a depth option but didn't get near in it in a few AFL games. If we need to make space for additions I think he gets cut.

Culley should get another contract. Gets a chance to show his worth this week and has earned it with 2 huge VFL games in the last few weeks.

Melksham should get another year if he wants it. Is a fantastic mentor for JVR and Jeffo and can kick important bags.

McVee has one foot out the door in my opinion. Is a non-free agent so we should get a trade return from that perspective. However, is dissapointing as he has shown a lot in the last few years.

Brown is another tough one. I would lean towards giving him a one year contract, get another preseason under his belt and see how he goes.

Hore is 99% to be delisted. Has been cruelled by injury and seems like a great guy so this one hurts a little.

Sestan is another interesting one. If not for injuries I would say he would've had a debut by now. I feel like he probably gets another contract considering there is apparent interest around the league in him according to Fox Footy a few months back.

Woewodin is another difficult one. I think he has stalled in his development this year, and being kept out of the team and even the emergencies in a year of poor performance from the team is very telling. Probably ends up getting delisted, may get picked up in WA.

Campbell is also interesting. Is a great person and team player, who has seemingly pushed Verrall out of the number 1 ruck spot in the VFL. I feel he may get another year if he wants it unless he retires.

Fullarton is 99% to be delisted. Has also been cruelled by injury, had 2 games this year and did struggle to make any impact. A relevant example of our poor trading since 2021.

TMac. What a servant he has been for this team. Him playing next year is a two part thing. 1. It depends on whether he wants to continue playing. 2. It may also depend on what trades/moves we make. If we keep both May + Lever and add Derksen, he may not return. However if for example we trade Lever to North, I would be giving TMac a contract to get him to 250 games. He deserves it.

Verrall is another tricky one to gauge. I would be leaning towards a one year contract, however if our interest in Max Heath from the saints comes into fruition, they may lean towards cutting him lose.

So a little summary:

Retire: Billings, TMac?

Delisted: Fullarton, Hore

Leaning towards Delisted: Woewodin, Verrall, Henderson, Spargo

Leaning towards new contract: Brown, Campbell, Sestan,

Keep: Moniz-Wakefield, Melksham, Culley, Sharp

Trade: McVee (if needed)

How has Fullarton been cruelled by injury??

Pretty much played a whole season at VFL level last year and this year.

Lets just accept the fact that hes simply not good at all and injury has played no role in that.

4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

How has Fullarton been cruelled by injury??

Pretty much played a whole season at VFL level last year and this year.

Lets just accept the fact that hes simply not good at all and injury has played no role in that.

Has had a lot of Hamstring injuries throughout his time at Brisbane and Us, which while he hasn't shown up to his potential, has still impacted him nonetheless.

Sharp is not out of contract, he got a 3 year deal when he came over last year. He is with us until 2027 at least.

If we can replace Hore and Fullarton with Derksen and Mihocek that'll be a good first step.

Happy to give TC another year for emergencies and guidance to developing rucks.

My changes at the end of the year.

Delisted: Henderson, Fullarton, Woewodin, Verrall, Brown

Retired: Billings, Hore, McDonald?

Contract offer (one year deal): AMW, Sestan, Campbell, Culley, Melksham

Trade: Spargo, Laurie, Lever? Oliver? McVee?

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

My changes at the end of the year.

Delisted: Henderson, Fullarton, Woewodin, Verrall, Brown

Retired: Billings, Hore, McDonald?

Contract offer (one year deal): AMW, Sestan, Campbell, Culley, Melksham

Trade: Spargo, Laurie, Lever? Oliver? McVee?

Tmac should go to Adelaide or Bulldogs or something. Still a quality defender.

Just now, KozzyCan said:

Tmac should go to Adelaide or Bulldogs or something. Still a quality defender.

I'd happily offer him a 1 deal. Something also tells me he would just be happy to retired at the same time.

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

I'd happily offer him a 1 deal. Something also tells me he would just be happy to retired at the same time.

I think he's been unlucky not to be selected many times this year. Could probably get more opportunity elsewhere and one last crack at another flag for any team desperate for a key back.