9 minutes ago, Flower Magic said:

The second time was the last quarter today as I felt sick with disgust at the sight of simple shot after simple shot being missed by players that I thought were good kicks.

One of the reasons is that a reasonable percentage of those weren't simple shots - because of the way the ball was coming in and where we were having to kick from. Quick snaps from 40m are always going to be iffy, as are attempts from marks on the 50m line.

(Though some of those players aren't good kicks either, which is never going to change.)

Anyone that apportions the loss to Alice Springs is even more delusional than Simon.

36 minutes ago, Standard Deviation said:

We've been playing in Alice Springs for over a decade right? I could understand how we saw more Adelaide, Port and West Coast supporters at the games. I could even understand how we saw more Freo supporters. But how do the [censored] Saints get stronger support there than a team that's spent a decade hiking out of its way to play there?

Aside from all the arguments around money, the effects on performance in games after and whether we'd have won the game if it was at the MCG, we should walk from this place simply because the locals don't get behind us. We're giving ourselves an extra away game at this point, even the seven broadcast seemed to treat it like it was the Saints home game.

Totally agree! I’m all for growing the game and respecting our fellow indigenous Australians but I don’t see big clubs doing this eg Collingwood! Whatever home ground advantage we have is gone & certainly no guarantees we would win at the G but why do this & risk 4 points, sure do this as preseason game have an all star indigenous vs the MFC

16 minutes ago, Swooper1987 said:

A major worry was the influence of Wanganeen- Milera in the second half. He had 15 touches in the last quarter alone and looked like he hadn't showered in a year given the space he had to do as he pleased.

Was listening on the radio before the game today and the "Experts" declared if the aints were to win W-M would have to get 30 cause he's their best ball user.
Goodwin let him get 29.

Edited Sunday at 08:432 days by Fork 'em

We should be kicking ourselves for that performance…………but we’d probably miss.

Congratulations Ross Lyon. Completely outcoached Goodwin today

3 minutes ago, Gawnhub said:

With the expected score being 82.7 v 81.8 in our favour, inside 50’s 57 to 40 and marks inside 50 14 to 10 in our favour, this tells me we are not getting the ball to the right places inside 50.

Bingo.

1 minute ago, Dee Viney Intervention said:

We should be kicking ourselves for that performance…………but we’d probably miss.

Pretty good at kicking me in the guts.

2 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

Congratulations Ross Lyon. Completely outcoached Goodwin today

In shock

In 18 months, we're 50 percent through the job of stuffing Windsor as a top-shelf footballer. We're on target to achieve what has come to pass with JVR in three years. Go Dees.

45 minutes ago, GCDee said:

Lever and Oliver… putrid, the game has gone past both of them.

Oliver got 7 coaches votes last week. The game hasn't past him

44 minutes ago, Tom Dyson said:

We let Milera run on his own for most of the day, no wonder their transition game cut us up.

Lord only knows what Daicos will do to us next week.

Milera is a very good player but the amount of space we have him was outrageous. The seven commentary team kept frothing about his foot skills and yes they’re very good. But being under ZERO pressure certainly makes it easier to hit targets

1 minute ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

In 18 months, we're 50 percent through the job of stuffing Windsor as a top-shelf footballer. We're on target to achieve what has come to pass with JVR in three years. Go Dees.

Absolutely... why would you change his role, other than to cover for injuries, when he was on track to become such a solid player off the skinny wing.

Edited Sunday at 08:522 days by Demon Dynasty

2 minutes ago, deegirl said:

Milera is a very good player but the amount of space we have him was outrageous. The seven commentary team kept frothing about his foot skills and yes they’re very good. But being under ZERO pressure certainly makes it easier to hit targets

To be fair I’ve seen lots of players for Melbourne under zero pressure not hit a target…

He is a gun

55 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Stop selling home games up there. It’s not worth the money.

What’s that got to do with it Fat, can’t kick seven goals anywhere and win

9 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Pickett after being amazing last week was a real negative today

That snap where he rushed it and could not clear 20m had a huge impact. After they kicked 4-5 goals

then we gave away silly frees and provided zero pressure in the first Q

That first Q list us the game imo. the kicking obviously as well

Pickett's disordered behaviors have routinely cost us important games and big dollars for years now. We need to do what we didn't do with Petty and Oliver - move him on while the market is hot. He's not worth what the market will offer currently.

Edited Sunday at 08:582 days by Queanbeyan Demon

43 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Oh no, what will the club do if supporters don’t tell them that bad goal kicking is bad? They’ll never know!!! 🙄

My issue is that they clearly do know and have done f-all about it. Our horrible goal kicking coast is the 2023 finals series and have we done any serious work to resolve that? It doesn’t look like it

1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

To be fair I’ve seen lots of players for Melbourne under zero pressure not hit a target…

He is a gun

Absolutely, he a great player. Why are we so stupid as to allow him that much space & time to execute. It’s intensely frustrating

Lazy, incompetent performance, bordering on the gutless when you look at the lowest ever pressure ratings.

11 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I take your point about the smaller grounds, but it doesn’t excuse the lack of defensive pressure, nor explain the goal kicking from hell.

I can count one, maybe two players who won their positions today. The rest either got spanked, or broke even.

Ross totally shut down Bowey and Langdon (17 and 13!! touches respectively), which killed our ball movement and spread from half back. We also got spanked in uncontested possession and had a lovely 25% goal scoring accuracy.

You don’t win like that at the G, at Alice or on Mars. You just can’t win games with this level of total ground incompetence.

The lack of pressure was just so incredibly frustrating to watch on TV.

I had people at the ground messaging me how poorly we responded to StKilda’s setup. They were transitioning at speed and with little pressure from us. Every time the Saints got the ball at half back we looked out positioned already.

I’m on record for thinking Goody isn’t the guy for us so no point beating that drum, BUT when is the last time we’ve being challenged like we were today and the coaches have changed something to help us win the game? Lyon had a plan and the Saints delivered.

1 minute ago, deegirl said:

My issue is that they clearly do know and have done f-all about it. Our horrible goal kicking coast is the 2023 finals series and have we done any serious work to resolve that?

Why do you think they brought in players like Windsor and Lindsay? The shift to prioritising skills and smarts is pretty flagrant.

it's also not just horrible goal-kicking, it's horrible kicking period.

29 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Pathetic performance especially from our senior players.

Gawn, Kozzie, Melksham, Chandler all miss easy and gettable shots. Gawn FFS.. you're the bloody captain, for all the good things you do you seriously let this team with your poor goalkicking. Own the moments!

Petracca can hold his head up high.

To the all supporters who were cocky during the week saying Saints have no players to worry about.. wowee. Clearly haven't learnt a thing. We aren't a team to that can boast about beating the ordinary sides.

I thought the leaders were terrible today.

18 minutes ago, Gawnhub said:

With the expected score being 82.7 v 81.8 in our favour, inside 50’s 57 to 40 and marks inside 50 14 to 10 in our favour, this tells me we are not getting the ball to the right places inside 50. Saints also had far more kicks and marks than us, which might look like they work harder for inside 50’s and goals, but I think it tells me that they are more careful and use shorter kicks to get it to the best places to score inside 50.

Is there any other way to read these stats?

This game reminded me of the GWS loss up there 2 years ago.

26 minutes ago, adonski said:

Lever can captain Casey

I wouldn't have him captain Anakie reserves.

Beating Sydney's twos last week definitely gave the boys an arrogant placebo.

Sorry Koz, time to find out what you've really got now a second rate mid has found you out, massive game for our A graders next week.

Still scratching my head as to why Johnson was subbed out for Laurie when the game was still well and truly winable for again someone I wouldn't pick at Anakie twos. He was the only one giving a genuine contest in the F50, only thing he did wrong was not hit WM hard enough.

Surely my TV wasn't the only one in danger in demonland tonight.

Weak, Insipid performance in the Alice yet again.

44 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I take your point about the smaller grounds, but it doesn’t excuse the lack of defensive pressure, nor explain the goal kicking from hell.

I can count one, maybe two players who won their positions today. The rest either got spanked, or broke even.

Ross totally shut down Bowey and Langdon (17 and 13!! touches respectively), which killed our ball movement and spread from half back. We also got spanked in uncontested possession and had a lovely 25% goal scoring accuracy.

You don’t win like that at the G, at Alice or on Mars. You just can’t win games with this level of total ground incompetence.

We'd at least get a nil-all draw on Mars JNM. I'm taking that tonight.