8 hours ago, MurDoc516 said:

Quick thoughts:
- Nobody played well (No Chandler PR please)
- Count the broken tackles and fine them a $1000 for each one. 
- Count every turnover that led to a scoring shot and fine them a $1000 for each one ($2000 if Comben was the one who intercepted it)
- Count every attempted fend off or shrug off that didn't break the tackle and fine them a $1000 for each one.
- Gawn can't 1 man ruck anymore
- 4 seasons with no key forward trades
- I'm so glad we traded our first round pick for no reason
- Why Langford is omitted for Spargo/Woewodin I'll never know

All money accumulated from fines can go to Jim Stynes foundation. Season's over and it's round 2 but what did anyone expect. Our premiership hopes relied on a forward line of Daniel Turner and Jacob Van Rooyen.

Agree.... Woey and Spargs have to go next week. I would bring back Johnson and play Kozzie in number 99 - no one will know if no one reads this thread.

8 hours ago, Abyssal said:

If Goodwin is to be replaced, now is the time to do it. Not after the season’s finished, not mid year, do it now. After just 2 games, this season is still salvageable. 
I just can’t see what Goodwin can do or say to turn things around after today’s horror show.

A fresh voice/approach might just be the impetus the players need  turn their form around.

The alternative of keeping Goodwin in place and then things not improving on todays outcome would likely result in MFC finishing bottom 3 with a real chance for the wooden spoon.

Trying to recover from that scenario  next year (and beyond) would be near on impossible for a new coach and definitely impossible  for Goodwin should he somehow remain coach  next year.

Great post, add to that any players that will now consider a trade.

Wonder if Brad greens been on the phone to max just to check in.

I mean I cannot believe goody went with that. Just say max did have a bad day. 

Wonder if he said to goody thanks for that.

I mean on twitter some morons have said stuff but mainly people especially opposition fans have expressed outrage over goody saying that

Edited March 23Mar 23 by dees189227

Post game Viney said the team was off all day. Need to find the reason why however lower end of the list is what I suspect. That said you only play as well as the opposition let’s you, North have the talent coming through and the best ruckman in the comp. 

8 hours ago, Red But Mostly Blue said:

I don’t get the Max narrative.

He didn’t have a great day but a) I don’t believe that alone (obviously) cost us the game. He’s done so much for the club. Carried us on many an occasion.

My question is: so what? If he has a personal family issue, firstly that should remain personal, and secondly what about everyone else? Did they all have personal family issues? Because the team pretty much as a whole and almost without exception, were shocking.

In round 2, the ‘newly reborn’ team collectively capitulated to a bottom 4 team. That’s the story, not Max. 

How are you sure after 2 games North is still a bottom 4 side?!

8 hours ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

This season was always about whether Trac and Oliver could get back to prime form and they haven’t. They may get there. We’ll see what we get against GC. Mids got smashed today, as did everyone else. We’re also missing 4 of our best 22. 

We can still play finals but need to win next week and beat the Bombers or we’ll be out of the running. 2-3 has us alive, 0-5 or 1-4 and we’re cooked. 

Huh?!!! You've decided that after 2 games?! Petracca had his first game for 9 months last week is it possible he'll be fitter later on?

So….we talkin’ recruiting and culture yet? 
 

Possibly exiting - Trac, Oliver, Kozzie 

Possible retirements - Gawn, Lever, Salem? 
 

Dunno…time to rebuild is now. What’s the old saying - ‘forget the scoreboard’ 

8 hours ago, waynewussell said:

It can turn around quickly!

In round 1 PA lost by 91, in round 2 they won by 72

In round 1 Geelong won by 78, in round 2 they lost by 7 to St Kilda (who lost by 63 in round 1)

In round 1 WC lost by 87, in round 2 they lost by three goals to the Premiers away from home!

Port really showed Richmond didn’t they.

Bulldogs have had Bont, Treloar, Weightman and JUH out yet management to beat North and should have beaten the Pies if not for some one sided umpiring. I’m not entirely familiar with all of their players but they played an attractive attacking style of footy. We have no excuses, not sacking Goodwin is just prolonging the inevitable. 

We're a crud team to watch

 

No wonder ppl don't turn up and we get terrible time slots from ch 7

 

Is Sam Mitchell out of contract yet?

1 hour ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Bulldogs have had Bont, Treloar, Weightman and JUH out yet management to beat North and should have beaten the Pies if not for some one sided umpiring. I’m not entirely familiar with all of their players but they played an attractive attacking style of footy. We have no excuses, not sacking Goodwin is just prolonging the inevitable. 

Agree with the first part of this. 

You can just sense the list is at about capacity with Godwin's messaging. When you get that kind of showing in a round 2 match after serious issues across the club at the end of last year, it's a worrying sign imo. 

 

Edited March 23Mar 23 by Redleg_Knowledge

We have relied on May, Lever, Oliver, Max, Tracc, Fritta and Kozzie.

Two were out.

The two midfielders have been all over the place .

Max gets no support and Lever and Fritta have gone backwards.

 

5 hours ago, David-Demon said:

4 seasons with no key forward trades

This is what really urks me.

We've all said it. Those responsible need to go. Now.

And as for the players that openly talked about trades, do we really want them at the club?

59 minutes ago, Go Ds said:

How are you sure after 2 games North is still a bottom 4 side?!

They won't be, but how we played is unacceptable no matter what side we were facing.  Where was the pride?

Well, that didn’t take long for the season to go down the crapper.

34 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Well, that didn’t take long for the season to go down the crapper.

Yep.

We played well against the giants but to be comprehensively smashed by last year's second last team is demoralizing.

Fritta should be dropped for a month for his performance. Not a single tackle off the back of a lethargic game prior and a lackluster year last. It's one thing to have an off day but the zero tackle count really speaks towards attitude. 

I didn't play a great deal of the game and for sure wasn't very good but I always knew that if had trouble getting a kick, I could always lay a tackle. 

But the club hasn't  really recruited any decent replacement for him for three years now. No wonder he doesn't fire. A game each week is a given.

 

Edited March 23Mar 23 by leave it to deever

Why are we surprised? We have players who don't want to be there (Petracca, Oliver, Pickett, Langford, McVee), and a whole lot more who shouldn't be there as they are not up to AFL standard, and some whose best football is way behind them (May, Salem, Langdon, Lever, Viney, Fritsch, Gawn, McDonald). I will re-adjust my pre season prediction of finishing 10-14, to bottom 2.

2 minutes ago, bobby1554 said:

Why are we surprised? We have players who don't want to be there (Petracca, Oliver, Pickett, Langford, McVee), and a whole lot more who shouldn't be there as they are not up to AFL standard, and some whose best football is way behind them (May, Salem, Langdon, Lever, Viney, Fritsch, Gawn, McDonald). I will re-adjust my pre season prediction of finishing 10-14, to bottom 2.

Why doesn't Langford "want to be there"? He just arrived!

They brought the heat in spades and we didn’t.

It was pretty evident from the first bounce how much more they wanted it than we did by their pressure and work rate.

We look sluggish and must respond in a big fashion next week or we are in dire straits.

Was number 30 playing for us? There was some great delivery to him 

1 hour ago, Go Ds said:

Huh?!!! You've decided that after 2 games?! Petracca had his first game for 9 months last week is it possible he'll be fitter later on?

Can you read? “They haven’t. They may get there.”

1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

So….we talkin’ recruiting and culture yet? 
 

Possibly exiting - Trac, Oliver, Kozzie 

Possible retirements - Gawn, Lever, Salem? 
 

Dunno…time to rebuild is now. What’s the old saying - ‘forget the scoreboard’ 

You could tell we were in rebuild mode with 6 debutants last week. As I've said multiple times, people need to keep their expectations in check for this season. But yesterday was shocking.

My takes

I think there’s an arrogance to the club playing one ruck against the biggest and best young ones like Xerri. He dominated Max and was a massive part in the Roos clearance game. These are the games you just have to risk playing Campbell, it’s an experiment the club has to have.

Why didn’t we deal with the Combden issue, we made him look like Glen Jakovich. That’s on the coach.

We signed Viney to a 4 year deal.

North are on top at the end of the third, we’re getting beat in the centre and we start the fourth with Petracca forward. That's on the coach.

Why oh why did we go back to bombing it long especially with Combden dominating. Thats on the coach.

The depth across the competition is poor. Take May, Windsor, Pickett and others and all teams struggle. 
 

Personally I think it’s pretty clear that Langdon’s best position is the wing and Rivers is HBF. I imagine the club will persist but I hope once Windsor is back and with Lindsay and Langford available we can do some positional changes.

If players won’t stick to the game plan don’t play them. 

One last thing, that’s the last time I ever go to that stadium for a day game, probably night as well. Absolutely horrible sitting in there on a sunny day. Not to mention they put the food stores next to the toilets so you literally queue up in front of the toilets. Who designed that? That stadium reeks of terrible design, they couldn’t even put comfy seats in. 💩 hole

Edited March 23Mar 23 by Roost it far

1 minute ago, praha said:

You could tell we were in rebuild mode with 6 debutants last week. As I've said multiple times, people need to keep their expectations in check for this season. But yesterday was shocking.

We haven't rebuilt the fwd line. I'm glad we are giving Jeffo a run but we really only have one replacement for Jvr and Fritta and that's Milkshake. And his body must be close to cooked. And he's not a tall fwd either.

And Turner hasn't proven himself as a fwd yet.

So yea my expectations are in check with a fwd line of Fritta, Jvr and Disco. For sure.

But yesterday it wasn't just our fwd line. It was the entire team. Apologies to Chandler.

But sheesh one player against last year's second last team. 

Now I really have no expectations 

 

I've been too angry to post anything until now. That was close to the most insipid loss i can recall in recent memory. I rate it worse than the loss to WCE and Freo last year, because we essentially rolled over at the end. Additionally, our lack of basic skills and constant errors, including the lack of awareness, was frightening. We looked like a C Grade Ammos side. I don't like to single out players...BUT...Jack Viney...you'd never question his effort, but man, his skills are complete junk. That moment when he streamed through the middle, only to kick it directly down the throat of a North defender, whilst we were outnumbered 3 v 1 inside our fifty says everything about him...maybe people will defend him and say "but the strcuture was poor" - i think that is being very kind. The other player who ought to ashamed of himself is Woey Jnr....that moment where he tried to bounce was horrendous. He is not going to make it at senior level. 

 

Now, to the Coach...it's time to go! Has had years to improve the list and it has gone backwards every year. You can't argue that. Has had months to improve the forwards and they have gone further back. It's atrocius. He panicked yesterday and threw the whole side around. Langdon is not a mid. His persistance with silly ideas has killed our seasons for the last three years. The jig is up. We need fresh eyes.