17 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

I don’t care if he’s the best forward in the history of world sport. He’s not delivering, if that doesn’t change and guys like JVR, Jefferson, Turner, AJ, Pickett are all playing good football then his spot may be at Casey for a few weeks. Also I’d take Neitz, Lyon, Robertson and a few others ahead over the last 50 years. 

Hahahah… this is hilarious.

Fritsch was Melbourne leading goal kicker last year. Played 23 games and was the top 20 forward in the league in both total goals and average. All this whilst playing in a bottom 5 side. 

please tell me how he ‘isn’t delivering’ 

15 minutes ago, Oxdee said:

Hahahah… this is hilarious.

Fritsch was Melbourne leading goal kicker last year. Played 23 games and was the top 20 forward in the league in both total goals and average. All this whilst playing in a bottom 5 side. 

please tell me how he ‘isn’t delivering’ 

He kicked 14 goals in the last 12 rounds last year, showed little to no second efforts, defensively he was horrible and on Sunday he was goalless and lacklustre at best. At what point does he get a whack. I’d give him another 3-4 games to show us he deserves a game. 

Edited March 19Mar 19 by Roost it far

No one is disputing BF is in the pantheon of Melbourne greats, and I’m not going to quibble where, but the discussion is about current performance, I for one am worried he has become the outlet for other teams to play through from their defense. I want a universal standard of pressure and pressing from our forward half and in fact the whole team. He needs to be kicking 50+ to get a pass from that benchmark and he’s not doing it. That said I think he gets more games to find his mojo. He’s on notice is all, and I dearly hope he comes good.

1 minute ago, DEE fence said:

No one is disputing BF is in the pantheon of Melbourne greats, and I’m not going to quibble where, but the discussion is about current performance, I for one am worried he has become the outlet for other teams to play through from their defense. I want a universal standard of pressure and pressing from our forward half and in fact the whole team. He needs to be kicking 50+ to get a pass from that benchmark and he’s not doing it. That said I think he gets more games to find his mojo. He’s on notice is all, and I dearly hope he comes good.

I'm a big fritter fan.

But he is not one of the greats of the Melbourne football club. 

In my time supporting the dees I'd have conservatively 30 players ahead of him. 

Leaving that debate aside he has credit in the bank but it's time he put some back in. 

I feel for Fritsch, he needs an open forwardline to work with or at least some space to roam around at the bottom of the packs and hit snaps. We just give him so little to work with with how we set up.

If you look at where our goals came from on the weekend it was mostly either through the midfield or a messy crumb or soccer when the ball got spoiled in congestion. There was a lot of right place right time in those goals. Didn't appear to be much of a system in place.

I'm still deeply concerned about our forwardline. We've gone from prefering high long kicks to the pocket to high long kicks to the top of the goal square. When we did try to hit up a lead our forwards got in each others way. There was one in particular where we turned it over in the middle and Sparrow launched the ball to the goal square only to be intercepted by Taylor, but he had three Melbourne players sitting on their own 30 metres out on a slight angle. I just don't get why we make things so difficult for ourselves.

1 hour ago, Oxdee said:

Fritsch is the best forward we have had in 50 years. We’ve was the last generational forward of any team dropped? 

Allen Jakovich, Gary Lyon, David Neitz, Russell Robinson, Jeff Farmer and Brad Green spring to mind. 

Who would you rather have, any on my list or Fritsch?

 

29 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

He kicked 14 goals in the last 12 rounds last year, showed little to no second efforts, defensively he was horrible and on Sunday he was goalless and lacklustre at best. At what point does he get a whack. I’d give him another 3-4 games to show us he deserves a game. 

The Fritta should be scoring 3-4 goals a game consistently. He hasn’t been doing this for a long time

24 minutes ago, binman said:

I'm a big fritter fan.

But he is not one of the greats of the Melbourne football club. 

In my time supporting the dees I'd have conservatively 30 players ahead of him. 

Leaving that debate aside he has credit in the bank but it's time he put some back in. 

Mine is a large pantheon 

31 minutes ago, binman said:

I'm a big fritter fan.

But he is not one of the greats of the Melbourne football club. 

In my time supporting the dees I'd have conservatively 30 players ahead of him. 

Leaving that debate aside he has credit in the bank but it's time he put some back in. 

And without having a go at North (every team on its day can be a threat) why would you not include him in the side that is to play North?

 

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

He kicked 14 goals in the last 12 rounds last year, showed little to no second efforts, defensively he was horrible and on Sunday he was goalless and lacklustre at best. At what point does he get a whack. I’d give him another 3-4 games to show us he deserves a game. 

.

 

Edited March 19Mar 19 by Oxdee

59 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Allen Jakovich, Gary Lyon, David Neitz, Russell Robinson, Jeff Farmer and Brad Green spring to mind. 

Who would you rather have, any on my list or Fritsch?

 

I’ll go on stats… he averages more goals than all those players. 

1 hour ago, binman said:

I'm a big fritter fan.

But he is not one of the greats of the Melbourne football club. 

In my time supporting the dees I'd have conservatively 30 players ahead of him. 

Leaving that debate aside he has credit in the bank but it's time he put some back in. 

And where to do have him in relation to other Melbourne forwards since the 80’s? Scoring alone has him top 3

6 minutes ago, Oxdee said:

I’ll go on stats… he averages more goals than all those players. 

you are losing credibility mate

Lyon, Neitz…. Fritsch?

I love Bailey but he has been average recently. 

7 minutes ago, Oxdee said:

I’ll go on stats… he averages more goals than all those players. 

What? Jakovich averaged nearly 4 goals a game 🤨

Fritta the best forward in 50 years? 

[censored] hell I've heard it all now... 🤣 there's been an outright nuffy and then there's simply being delusional.

14 minutes ago, Oxdee said:

I’ll go on stats… he averages more goals than all those players. 

Are you being serious?

Allen Jackovich kicked 201 goals in 47 games for the dees  that's a tick over 4 goals a game.

Fritter has kicked 259 goals in his 141 games for the dees. To be fair let's take our his 15 odd games he played at hb in 2019 and give him a two goal a game average as as forward.

Half Jackovich's average.

Hell, Mark 'Jacko' Jackson averaged just under 4 goals a game with us, kicking 152 goals in his 41 games with the dees.

Edited March 19Mar 19 by binman

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The Fritta should be scoring 3-4 goals a game consistently. He hasn’t been doing this for a long time

Expecting 3-4 a game is tough on a skinny 3rd forward

He has overachieved for years and we are used to it

His efforts and pressure on the other hand are things in his control 

Past players are irrelevant to this argument. He’s a very very good forward at his best and dare I say it, a liability at his worst. He’s a few more poor games from a game at Casey I’d say. 

1 hour ago, KozzyCan said:

I feel for Fritsch, he needs an open forwardline to work with or at least some space to roam around at the bottom of the packs and hit snaps. We just give him so little to work with with how we set up.

If you look at where our goals came from on the weekend it was mostly either through the midfield or a messy crumb or soccer when the ball got spoiled in congestion. There was a lot of right place right time in those goals. Didn't appear to be much of a system in place.

I'm still deeply concerned about our forwardline. We've gone from prefering high long kicks to the pocket to high long kicks to the top of the goal square. When we did try to hit up a lead our forwards got in each others way. There was one in particular where we turned it over in the middle and Sparrow launched the ball to the goal square only to be intercepted by Taylor, but he had three Melbourne players sitting on their own 30 metres out on a slight angle. I just don't get why we make things so difficult for ourselves.

Great post. Isolate Fritsch and get it in quick and direct. I don’t get why we’re playing him higher up the ground.

32 minutes ago, Oxdee said:

I’ll go on stats… he averages more goals than all those players. 

?

Fritsch 149 games 252 goal 1.69 goal per game

Jakovich 54 games 208 goals 3.85 per game

I haven't looked at the others.

Edit

Lyon 1.88 per game

Robertson 1.87 per game

Farmer 2.19

Etc, etc

So other than false truths what have you got?

 

Edited March 19Mar 19 by ManDee

OxDee has left the group 

he's one game in to a new season and role, can we just give him a wee bit of time before declaring he's done?

he's playing an entirely new position to that in which he's consistently been one of the best mid-sized forwards in the competition

credits in the bank, give him time to adjust

Edited March 19Mar 19 by whatwhat say what

Fritta’s 17th on our all time goal kicking, and should finish the year 13th behind Barassi. Likely finish his career in the top 10. 

Hasn’t been at his best since the bung foot but he’ll come good. At least he can kick straight, JVR and Koz aside none of the others are much good at that (Turner maybe also ok)

Fritta to kick 10 against Norf in a soft kill and put a hex on his haters 

1 minute ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

Fritta’s 17th on our all time goal kicking, and should finish the year 13th behind Barassi. Likely finish his career in the top 10. 

Hasn’t been at his best since the bung foot but he’ll come good. At least he can kick straight, JVR and Koz aside none of the others are much good at that (Turner maybe also ok)

Most of our forward line are good set shots - JVR, Fritta, Disco, now Jeffo!

Problem is most of the time it's our mids having the shots at goal!