PRESEASON TRAINING: Monday 2nd December 2024

[Roger Mellie 4,205]

  On 02/12/2024 at 18:51, waynewussell said:

That is possible. I’m basing my observation on observation. Perhaps your pov was opinion based. Whatever the case, I acknowledge that yours preceded mine and if I vomited it was because I felt sick about another possible upheaval at MFC. I don’t know if Max stepping aside would be good for the club, but it may be good for Max!

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It's possible Max is just taking a back seat for a while to give him a spell after the recent turmoil. It also gives others opportunities to step up eg. Chin

[Dee Viney Intervention 2,029]

Thanks to all reports from the track watchers. It was music to my ears that Chaplin wants constant movement and is working on running patterns and blocks to create separation for our leading forwards as well as smalls getting front and square. Great to see defined roles for our forwards as we have always had the talent down there we were just dis functional. The missing piece of the puzzle is speed of ball movement and holding some forwards in our forward line not pushing so far up the ground. This will also assist with speed of ball movement as we will have a target to kick to. 
Really happy with our off season moves and drafting / trading. Bring on 2025.

[Lucifers Hero 40,746]

  On 02/12/2024 at 11:09, waynewussell said:

I felt he was happy to take a back seat during the community camp, and I get the same feeling watching recent sessions at Gosch's paddock. Happy to be wrong on this... but we may see a transition in leadership in 2025. Shoot me down!

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  On 02/12/2024 at 20:10, Roger Mellie said:

It's possible Max is just taking a back seat for a while to give him a spell after the recent turmoil. It also gives others opportunities to step up eg. Chin

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I suspect you are both right.

Max said recently the FD Review highlighted a need to develop young leaders. 

Max will hand over the captaincy in the next year or maybe two and it would be remiss to not have a succession plan for him and other leaders.

What is being observed gives the young guys a chance to 'audition' for the leadership positions.

Edited December 2, 2024 by Lucifers Hero

[Lucifers Hero 40,746]

Thanks all for the great training reports. 

I especially enjoyed the photos.  While they were 'stills' the rapid sequence made the action 'come alive'. 

It was like being there!

Edited December 2, 2024 by Lucifers Hero

[rpfc 29,030]

  On 02/12/2024 at 18:51, waynewussell said:

That is possible. I’m basing my observation on observation. Perhaps your pov was opinion based. Whatever the case, I acknowledge that yours preceded mine and if I vomited it was because I felt sick about another possible upheaval at MFC. I don’t know if Max stepping aside would be good for the club, but it may be good for Max!

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Ohhhhhhh the vomiting was about the thought itself…

It wasn’t a pejorative response to my ‘opinion’ which obviously wasn’t based on ‘observation’ because my eyes actually face inward.

Maybe it’s a lesson in respecting ‘opinions’ formed in good faith for the betterment of the club that we all love that some of us live 700kms away from.

[Redleg 42,181]

  On 02/12/2024 at 09:43, Ghostwriter said:

Yes. But he added that nothing is sorted yet. 

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Well that is good news then, as JT would know the eligibility criteria and it is probably only a matter of if we want to list him.

If we haven’t got anyone better in mind, then hopefully we take him and give him his chance with us.

[demon3165 2,865]

  On 02/12/2024 at 12:43, rjay said:

Different roles, both great players.

2 AFL Coaches awards says he hurts sides, obviously not with his goal kicking.

 

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Is Oliver a midfielder? This has nothing to do with roles that's just a cop out.

[demon3165 2,865]

Oliver is one of the best below the knees midfielders I've seen since Diesel Williams great extractor of the ball and a good mark but average decision maker and an average kick those are the areas he needs to improve on I just replied to a question about goals from midfielders, Oliver just doesn't hurt sides in that department because he doesn't runn forward enough that's all.

[Dee Boys 934]

  On 02/12/2024 at 21:46, demon3165 said:

Is Oliver a midfielder? This has nothing to do with roles that's just a cop out.

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Of course it has everything to do with roles. For someone who constantly derides others for lacking football knowledge when they don't agree with you, you really do come out with some idiotic things.

Oliver's main strength is a first possession player, where there have been few better in the modern era. He's managed to add an outside element and a burst away from stoppages to his game which has seen him win 4xBnF, 3xAA and 2xAFLCA awards by the age of 25. Because of the state of his shoulders, there's little point in him resting forward as he can't take a contested mark. He'd purely be a threat on the ground. Why would you take away from his strengths and magnify his weaknesses by playing him in a position he's not suited to?

Petracca is obviously a completely different player, for reasons everyone knows and surely I don't need to get into.

It absolutely stands to reason that he kicks a lot more goals than Clarry due to the difference in roles they play.

Both have been equally important to our success.

[Dee Boys 934]

  On 02/12/2024 at 22:16, demon3165 said:

Oliver is one of the best below the knees midfielders I've seen since Diesel Williams great extractor of the ball and a good mark but average decision maker and an average kick those are the areas he needs to improve on I just replied to a question about goals from midfielders, Oliver just doesn't hurt sides in that department because he doesn't runn forward enough that's all.

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I'm sorry, saying Oliver is an average decision maker is absolutely insane. 

[Deemania since 56 6,810]

  On 02/12/2024 at 10:51, demon3165 said:

That's good to hear seems like a big change will come with their game plan, the one thing I will be interested is when they switch the ball how quick they do it and if if they kick the ball low and hard instead of pie floaters.

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Proud of the boys in red'nblue this pre-season. The competition for slots in the team is at an apex; with that, all who possibly could have trained hard and seriously to cement thoughts into the coaching and selection panels both now an into the '25 season. This is a greatly improved preparation, a marque of what may now very well come and setting an elite minimum standard of performance potential for the new season.

[demon3165 2,865]

  On 02/12/2024 at 22:22, Dee Boys said:

I'm sorry, saying Oliver is an average decision maker is absolutely insane. 

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Then you don't watch games then, handballs to people in a worse position when under pressure, kicks blindly without looking, they are the areas to work on.

[rjay 25,427]

  On 02/12/2024 at 21:46, demon3165 said:

Is Oliver a midfielder? This has nothing to do with roles that's just a cop out.

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Absolutely not a cop out...you obviously don't watch games or understand footy if you think roles have nothing to do with it.

Edited December 2, 2024 by rjay

[demon3165 2,865]

  On 02/12/2024 at 22:21, Dee Boys said:

Of course it has everything to do with roles. For someone who constantly derides others for lacking football knowledge when they don't agree with you, you really do come out with some idiotic things.

Oliver's main strength is a first possession player, where there have been few better in the modern era. He's managed to add an outsith open eyesde element and a burst away from stoppages to his game which has seen him win 4xBnF, 3xAA and 2xAFLCA awards by the age of 25. Because of the state of his shoulders, there's little point in him resting forward as he can't take a contested mark. He'd purely be a threat on the ground. Why would you take away from his strengths and magnify his weaknesses by playing him in a position he's not suited to?

Petracca is obviously a completely different player, for reasons everyone knows and surely I don't need to get into.

It absolutely stands to reason that he kicks a lot more goals than Clarry due to the difference in roles they play.

Both have been equally important to our success.

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It has nothing to do with roles and where did I say anything about resting forward? And if you go back to late 21 he started playing more as an outside mid than in 22, 23 well forget 24 I also have not said he was not important  in winning a flag but he has deficiencies and for people to suggest he has none don't look at the game with open eyes suggest you do.

[demon3165 2,865]

  On 02/12/2024 at 22:57, rjay said:

Absolutely not a cop out...you obviously don't watch games or understand footy if you think roles have nothing to do with it.

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Not as a midfielder you have a licence to roam, you will have a role when you don't have the ball accept that.

[DiscoStu17 875]

  On 02/12/2024 at 22:22, Dee Boys said:

I'm sorry, saying Oliver is an average decision maker is absolutely insane. 

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Maybe OP is referring to day to day activities rather than football. 🤔

[Ghostwriter 5,486]

  On 02/12/2024 at 18:53, Ugottobekidding said:

Maybe McAdam can be a replacement for Pickett Pocket who still has a few weeks to serve of his suspension 

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Yeah, maybe this is the plan and they’ve talked to him about this.There’s definitely something that’s driving him, something to work towards.

 He actually said (without being asked about it) “I’ll definitely be up for round one.” When I told my non-DL track-watching bestie this she said, “Maybe he meant round one with Casey.” This is why I didn’t mention it on here. 

[PaulRB 6,436]

  On 02/12/2024 at 11:15, demon3165 said:

Oliver is coming into his 10th season and has only kicked 54 goals that's just facts, Trac is coming into his 10th season and has kicked 184 goals, Oliver doesn't hurt sides forward of the ball that's what I'm saying.

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Simplistic analysis that ignores Oliver’s strengths. I’d much prefer he stay dominant in the contest and continue to extract the hard ball than chase goals for vanity stats. 

[M_9 2,216]

I'll be keen to hear from track watchers in regard to the difference between our previous forward coaches (Stafford et al) and our new forward coaches (Chaplin et al). 

Blind Freddy could see that for the past x years there appeared to be little or no 'system'. And for goodness sake can we see JvR played as a full time forward.

[demon3165 2,865]

  On 02/12/2024 at 23:43, PaulRB said:

Simplistic analysis that ignores Oliver’s strengths. I’d much prefer he stay dominant in the contest and continue to extract the hard ball than chase goals for vanity stats. 

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For starters what's vanity got to do with kicking goals, so going by your logic Oliver as a midfielder who has license to roam when we have the ball has only one job and that is to extract the ball only in your view so you don't think he has the ability to improve or to hurt teams in front of goal interesting. 

[RDBhero 68]

  On 02/12/2024 at 03:05, Ghostwriter said:

This is Roy George (not to be confused with the pop icon of the 80s, first name Boy). No, he doesn’t have a ‘TEXT’ face tattoo, that’s just me trying to caption the pic in the blinding sunlight. He was at training to support Koz. They’re either very close friends or possibly related… cousins(?). He’s gonna train with us on Wednesday and/or Friday and is hoping to get a contract. Richo is finalising the “paperwork.” Doesn’t necessarily means it’s a cert.

Roy trained with Freo but it didn’t end well coz he “stuffed up.” He was living in WA but now lives in Melbourne. Kolt introduced himself to Roy, he welcomed him and they seemed to get along really well. Kolt is a future captain.

Speaking of Kolt… he has the flu, so if it’s just track-watchers in attendance on Wednesday and no one else, we’ll know who to blame 😅

Anyways, Roy confirmed what we all know and what some of us knew all along… Kozzie was NEVER going anywhere, it was never a consideration. His little family is happy and settled in Melbourne. 

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Oh boy...what a name.

[Kev 10,930]

  On 03/12/2024 at 00:01, M_9 said:

I'll be keen to hear from track watchers in regard to the difference between our previous forward coaches (Stafford et al) and our new forward coaches (Chaplin et al). 

Blind Freddy could see that for the past x years there appeared to be little or no 'system'. And for goodness sake can we see JvR played as a full time forward.

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Stafford primarily trained them to dance around each other (starting from a clumped position), so as to create mismatches and separation. I always thought it was Ringa-ringa-rosi action. He also emphasised the one on one contest, between players. Mainly concerned with talls. Never set himself close to the ball delivery players, always micro managing deep in the 50 area.

Big change with Chaplin and all. He brings the mids and forwards together. Can be seen outside the 50 giving direction as well in the 50. When he does one on one, with the players or as an opponent himself, he is more certain as to what he wants. Stafford was a little bit of an encourager.

Troy wants separation and smarts, getting fast explosive movement with timing. Great to see him drill the crumbers, two smalls at the feet. Still some leading patterns into the boundary, though could be more about the delivery  and not kicking out on the full. Other patterns are straight leads, or off out the back. Some delivery is with angles and some are short hit ups for better percentage shots.

Movement is paramount.

I think and hope there are more "tricks" to come.

Edited December 3, 2024 by kev martin

[dazzledavey36 56,358]

  On 03/12/2024 at 00:49, kev martin said:

Stafford primarily trained them to dance around each other (starting from a clumped position), so as to create mismatches and separation. I always thought it was Ringa-ringa-rosi action. He also emphasised the one on one contest, between players. Mainly concerned with talls. Never set himself close to the ball delivery players, always micro managing deep in the 50 area.

Big change with Chaplin and all. He brings the mids and forwards together. Can be seen outside the 50 giving direction as well in the 50. When he does one on one, with the players or as an opponent himself, he is more certain as to what he wants. Stafford was a little bit of an encourager.

Troy wants separation and smarts, getting fast explosive movement with timing. Great to see him drill the crumbers, two smalls at the feet. Still some leading patterns into the boundary, though could be more about the delivery  and not kicking out on the full. Other patterns are straight leads, or off out the back. Some delivery is with angles and some are short hit ups for better percentage shots.

Movement is paramount.

I think and hope there are more "tricks" to come.

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A great insight. 

Thanks Kevie. 

[Adam The God 30,750]

  On 02/12/2024 at 10:59, adonski said:

I'd be surprised if we saw much if any of Windsor at half back, remember Clarry trained there a couple years back. I think it's mainly familiarising yourself with a different role for injury coverage.

You don't take a goalkicking mid away from the midfield

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It depends what he gives you behind the ball, and playing at half back doesn't mean it takes away goalscoring power. Given his pace, it's likely he'd be granted licence to press up and cover back.

But he may well simply play in midfield.

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[Adam The God 30,750]

  On 03/12/2024 at 00:49, kev martin said:

Stafford primarily trained them to dance around each other (starting from a clumped position), so as to create mismatches and separation. I always thought it was Ringa-ringa-rosi action. He also emphasised the one on one contest, between players. Mainly concerned with talls. Never set himself close to the ball delivery players, always micro managing deep in the 50 area.

Big change with Chaplin and all. He brings the mids and forwards together. Can be seen outside the 50 giving direction as well in the 50. When he does one on one, with the players or as an opponent himself, he is more certain as to what he wants. Stafford was a little bit of an encourager.

Troy wants separation and smarts, getting fast explosive movement with timing. Great to see him drill the crumbers, two smalls at the feet. Still some leading patterns into the boundary, though could be more about the delivery  and not kicking out on the full. Other patterns are straight leads, or off out the back. Some delivery is with angles and some are short hit ups for better percentage shots.

Movement is paramount.

I think and hope there are more "tricks" to come.

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If you watch games or highlights from 2018 (when Chaplin was last forwards coach), you can see that we do this repeatedly, with an emphasis on fast ball movement to two talls, and crumbles at the feet.

I think a player like Spargo will be much more suited to this style of play. He was in 2018. Chandler and Kozzy for that matter too.

McAdam and Melksham will be more dangerous in this system too.