Draft night - How it may work out?

[Deespicable 2,726]

How it may work out – the top 15 picks and the potential phone call that will rock Tim Lamb

Dees stance on draft night

Having agreed to give up next year’s top pick, there’s no doubt in my mind (and I’d say any sane person’s mind) that the directive from Tim Lamb to JT will be to draft both the best tall and the best mid/small fwd with picks 5 and 9. I mean last year we chose a pacey mid (Caleb Windsor) at the expense of the best mobile forward (Nate Caddy) and we backed that up with another promising mid/small forward in Koltyn Tholstrop. We’ve also already given priority to a every-ready back-up mid (Harry Sharp) over a classy but untried back-up tall (Wade Derksen). And we’ve offloaded talls Adam Tomlinson and Josh Schache, so there’s clearly room on the list now for another tall. 

Based on videos I’ve seen, it’s hard not to be excited by the exploits of the Striking Viking Alix Tauru – who has an incredible leap and is only just getting used to playing as a forward after spending his early days as an intercept defender. And dare I say it, but his Nic Nat leaping style is something we need more than anything to spark the lads up at training. There’s nothing quite like an exciting teenager to take your mind off the club’s problems.

As to our other get, it will be interesting to see whether the rise of HokBall means we will want the quickest livewire mid/small to go with the big. I have no doubt JT was planning to take Murphy Reid, although his fear at missing out on Tauru probably means we will most likely miss out on Reid and have to look for the next best player left – and from what I’ve seen so far, on video, I’m actually tipping that JT’s love of the west means he will take Bo Allan with that pick. Here’s how I see it unfolding and some of the big dilemmas facing clubs, primarily Richmond.  

1 Jagga Smith (Rich)

There’s been a lot of talk lately that the Tigers are more interested in Sam Lalor with pick 1, but that option defies belief. Smith is a livewire, small clever mid – an even better version of the clever Murphy Reid you might say – and he starred in the Tigers VFL side in two of his three games that he played this year.  He’s trained with them and they love him. To risk losing him would be a big, big call, but it’s possible given North, Carlton and Adelaide won’t take him (they have other priorities), leaving us as the only potential spoilers at pick 5 before the Tigers pick 6. 

If North don’t take Tauru at 2, then JT would face a tricky decision on whether to pass on Smith as well if he fell that far and get Tauru at 5, but if they do take Tauru, then my tip is that we will go with Smith and add Armstrong, Shanahan or Jonty Faull. 

Whilst in a more logical world, I have Tigers taking Smith at 1 and North taking Lalor at pick 2, if the Tigers decide they want to be risktakers and try and get both Lalor and Smith and go Lalor with pick 1, then I reckon North then goes Tauru and we will have to decide if we take Smith or Reid at five, which we should until … the phone rings on draft night. 

Tim Lamb then advises his team that the Tigers are willing to offer us picks 10 and 11 for pick 5. They may also offer up pick 11 and their first rounder for 2025 – which is a likely top three pick, which would be even more tempting. Lamb would have an interesting call to make in that eventuality. But I’m tipping the Tiges will go the more orthodox route and make Jagga their No.1. And if they do, then the phone call remains a figment of my imagination.

2 Sam Lalor (NM)

Unlike Smith, Lalor has a bit of size about him at 188cm (6ft1in) and he’s shown he can be both the tough mid and the clever leading forward (that crunching pack mark for Vic Country that is on almost every video of him was a super highlight). He also has more goal sense than most of the other mids – he kicked seven on return from injury at APS level. He’s been compared to Dusty (hence why Tiger fans rate him) but I reckon he’s more in the Matthew Larkin in his prime mould – similar vision and awareness, although he’s a better mark than Larkin ever was. Being a bigger mid/fwd, it means the Roos will like him because Wardlaw, McKercher and Sheezel aren’t big-bodied like him. 

The Roos should also be considering Harvey Langford, for exactly the same reason – he has size (190cm) and a thumping left foot kick which is a point of difference for their mids, but his lack of raw pace may see him slide a bit. 

As stated earlier, if the Tigers take Lalor then the Roos may decide to take the big gamble and go with Tauru at pick 2 – a player they apparently like the look of as well, but two months ago he was rated a likely second-rounder at best, so the risk factor is there. 

The other possibility is that the Tigers offer up picks 10 and 11 for pick 2 – meaning they are guaranteed Lalor and Smith. Would the Roos take it, given they could then go two quality talls or a mid/tall combo. I reckon they should, but most clubs don’t as they are inherently conservative for fear of ramifications. 

3 Levi Ashcroft (Bris)

The Tigers won’t bid on him at No.1 because they need the marketing power of keeping the No.1 label, so it’s then up to North or the Blues to hold the premiers accountable. The Roos did bid on Will Ashcroft back in 2022 and Jed Walter in 2023, so I reckon the Kangas might pass on him this time as he isn’t what they require position wise. And if that’s the case, the Blues will definitely bid on him to keep the Lions honest – especially given they are also in the same window.   

4 Finn O’Sullivan (Carl)

The Blues have already given up picks 12 and 14 to get this pick and it’s no secret they want him – Carlton always goes with the footy bloodlines and being Sam Walsh’s cousin will have Lygon St salivating. They will be a little scared that the Tigers will snare him at pick 1, but his VFL form for them, aside from two neat goals, wasn’t exactly exceptional. He did however stand out at testing, so everyone is aware he has upside and he will start as a classy, quick half forward for them, which is what they crave right now.

5 Sid Draper (Adel)

Have a look at his highlights video and you know the guy is quick, smart and strong, although he still needs to work on his kicking prowess – he has a bit of the Clayton Oliver’s about him with his preference to handball. But as SA skipper, he seemed more aware of the importance of using his line-breaking ability at the carnival and his pace is top tier. The Crows will consider the best midfield bull in Harvey Langford, but I’m tipping they go local – big ramifications if they don’t and he turns out a gun.   

6 Alix Tauru (Melb)

As stated above, JT will be told to take a big as a priority and if Tauru is still around because North overlook him, then I reckon we have to take him here. The Saints will surely take him as one of their two picks if we don’t. He still looks a bit like a dear in headlights with his goalkicking routine, but I’m sure with good training from Chocco and our new forwards coach, he will get into good habits. And if he can’t find the goals, he’s a walkup start as an intercept defender in the James Sicily mould down the track (May and T-mac are not exactly young). And the best thing, for those of you fearful of another Jack Watts or even Matt Jefferson is that he loves tackling.

I suspect JT had been thinking of using this pick for Murphy Reid, but solving our tall problem should be the priority. The proviso on this is what happens if Jagga Smith is still on the table or North gambles on the striking viking at pick 2. If North does go Tauru, one of Lalor or Smith will also still be around, and if it’s Smith I reckon that phone call from the Tigers may be made to us. And Tim Lamb better be ready.

7 Harvey Langford (Rich)

With Lalor and O’Sullivan gone, the Tigers will turn to their attention to a player who they have trialled in the VFL and one who finished the season for Dandenong Stingrays like he was Marcus Bontempelli. He’s a powerful extractor with a booming left-foot and being bid-bodied will compliment Jagga Smith, who is the exact opposite. He’s also got a huge tank, but the only doubt about him in this modern HokBall world is that he lacks pace. But Patty Cripps doesn’t have pace either and he’s the best in the game.

8 Isaac Kako (Ess)

You have to assume Essendon had inside word that the Saints would bid on him, otherwise their decision to give up pick 9 to us is bizarre. I doubt he is better than Murphy Reid, but he certainly has pace and leads up well. He also has that dynamic Kozzie-type aggressive style, so he should make an impact in a couple of seasons.

9 Murphy Reid (StK)

I reckon the Saints will be jumping to get their local Sandy lad who has that touch of Gryan Miers about him. That’s a shame because we would definitely take him if he fell to our pick 9 (which will most likely slide to pick 11 or even 12). If JT’s intel is that the Saints aren’t into Tauru then I reckon we will flip and take Reid at pick 6. 

10 Harry Armstrong (StK)

With Jack Steele 29 next month and more of a lockdown player, the Saints will consider Josh Smylie, but I suspect a few clubs are wary of his low-tackle count and Ross and Smylie would clash big time I reckon. And Matteas Phillipou showed good signs late in the year and is a player earmarked for the guts, so another tall option up forward for the Saints would be smart. Armstrong’s high agility rating also would help their confidence as that was Nate Caddy’s strength as well last season. Armstrong looks a classy kick, but I didn’t see too many hangers in his highlights. But he’s quick on the lead, so that’s not crucial anyway.

Being another Sandy kid helps the Sainters community appeal as well!

11 Leo Lombardo (GC)

This guy is freakishly quick and agile and has high skills, but he’s a tad small – a bit like Caleb Daniel in his heyday. He looks to me like a cash cow for your SuperCoach teams next year and will play round 1 for the Suns barring injury. The Saints should have bidded on him to ensure the Suns lose their two second rounders before their third rounder. But I suspect if they bid on Kako they may not want to go again for a player they don’t get, so I reckon it will be left up to bid on him with our next pick. JT loves smalls like him anyway, although the Suns will match our bid in a flash.

12 Bo Allan (Melb)

One of Reid, Smith or Lombard would have been the perfect player to combine with Tauru and solve most of our shortages and help counter Hokball. But alas, I doubt that will happen. Allan is the last of the players who I reckon are certainties to be high-quality impact players and being from WA, it’s a happy recruiting ground for JT. He’s a tall left-foot mid who moves really well and is a decent kick and he’s tough enough to play in the middle as well as off half-back where he will play for us for at least a couple of seasons until he’s ready to go inside. He reminds me a lot of Adelaide’s Jordan Dawson. He’s already had a taste of big games having been handy in the WAFL grand final and as captain of WA ticks all the boxes. In fact he’s so good a prospect, that if the Tigers did come knocking for our pick 5 in exchange for picks 10 and 11, I think I’d have to say yes because we still would get him.

13 Luke Trainor (Rich)

Having set up their midfield with Smith and Langford, the Tigers surely will look at long-term bigs and Trainor is regarded as the best tall defender. You’d have to think West Coast at pick 15 would want a replacement for Barrass at their pick if the Tigers don’t pounce here. 

14 Jobe Shanahan (Rich) 

He’s got a bit of the Michael Roach’s about him and is a very accurate kick. Given his size, I reckon the Dees would also be considering him, but Tauru is more exciting. I really like the look of Jonty Faull as well, but Shanahan’s games at VFL for Essendon won me over. As a footnote, if we did accept Richmond’s pick 5 trade offer in my imaginary world, then we’d take Allan, Shanahan and have a decision to make on Travaglia or Hannaford.

15 Xavier Lindsay (WC)

I reckon West Coast would be a little [censored] that we took Bo Allan and Trainor would have been the right fix for their post-Barrass defence. I can’t see them going Faull or Hannaford, and McQualter will want clever ball movers and Lindsay is a bit of a Christian Salem freak with his precise kicking and will most likely start on the wing or half-back for them.  

[adonski 12,053]

Can't believe I'm going to have 30 sleepless nights leading up to the draft only for us to blow pick 6 on a tall!

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 5,118]

5 minutes ago, adonski said:

Can't believe I'm going to have 30 sleepless nights leading up to the draft only for us to blow pick 6 on a tall!

I see irony in your avatar, ade 😁 

[demoncat 1,415]

Mid only at 5 pls 

Open to a tall at 9 but we can’t pass up on an opportunity to bring in an A grade midfielder at the top end of the draft 

[Nascent 9,212]

Fair effort, well done @Deespicable

This draft is going to be interesting. I could potentially see us split 5 for 10 and 11 which gives us 3 picks in a row. (Edit: in the event that both Langford and Lalor are gone)

Two mids and a tall would go a long way for our list and Reid, Berry, Allen, Travagalia, Smillie, Lindsay, Hynes could all be around that mark.

Doubt Tauru gets there but one of Armstrong, Shanahan, Faull will be though I suspect a bit early for Faull.

The prospect of pick 5 for pick 10 and future 1st would be enticing but can't see Richmond entertaining that as I can't see them getting out of the bottom 2. Dyson sharp in dees colours would be a treat though.

 

Edited October 20 by Nascent

[mauriesy 7,286]

58 minutes ago, demoncat said:

Mid only at 5 pls 

Open to a tall at 9 but we can’t pass up on an opportunity to bring in an A grade midfielder at the top end of the draft 

So we don't want Tauru at 5 because it's too early, but he'll be gone by 9 because all the other clubs won't think it's too early?

Was Jackson too early at 3?

[adonski 12,053]

5 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

So we don't want Tauru at 5 because it's too early, but he'll be gone by 9 because all the other clubs won't think it's too early?

Was Jackson too early at 3?

Yeah he was. Shoulda gone any of Serong, Young, Day, Green instead!

[dazzledavey36 54,839]

We won't be using our first pick on a tall.

[The Jackson FIX 3,099]

3 minutes ago, adonski said:

Yeah he was. Shoulda gone any of Serong, Young, Day, Green instead!

That guy’s 3rd quarter in the 2021 grand final was worth pick 3 

[adonski 12,053]

2 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

That guy’s 3rd quarter in the 2021 grand final was worth pick 3 

That's a very romantic view

[demoncat 1,415]

17 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

So we don't want Tauru at 5 because it's too early, but he'll be gone by 9 because all the other clubs won't think it's too early?

Was Jackson too early at 3?

I don’t want to take Tauru at 5 because I think it is almost always a surer thing to take mid over a tall at the top end 

Plus I rate any of the top 5 or 6 mids over him anyway 

Don’t get me wrong Tauru looks a gem but he’s icing on the cake - mids win you flags 

[The Jackson FIX 3,099]

7 minutes ago, adonski said:

That's a very romantic view

It was half tongue in cheek because there are clearly some elite footballers that followed him in that draft but it was the right decision for our list at the time and I believe contributed to a premiership 

[demoncat 1,415]

6 minutes ago, adonski said:

That's a very romantic view

Agreed 

Jackson is a gun and maybe we don’t win the flag if we don’t draft him, but I think you can argue that his impact in the 3rd qtr has been overstated somewhat 

And how handy would Serong, Young or Green have been for us this year? Or for the next 10 years?

Young especially is the sliding doors moment for me - I rate him so highly and it looks like he’s finally reaching the potential that he showed back in his draft year

[Purple77 1,001]

That was a great read!

[Demon Jack 6,907]

I'd take either Langford or Reid over Tauru at 5 and pray he's still there at 9.

[Return to Glory 8,434]

2 hours ago, Deespicable said:

How it may work out – the top 15 picks and the potential phone call that will rock Tim Lamb

Dees stance on draft night

Having agreed to give up next year’s top pick, there’s no doubt in my mind (and I’d say any sane person’s mind) that the directive from Tim Lamb to JT will be to draft both the best tall and the best mid/small fwd with picks 5 and 9. I mean last year we chose a pacey mid (Caleb Windsor) at the expense of the best mobile forward (Nate Caddy) and we backed that up with another promising mid/small forward in Koltyn Tholstrop. We’ve also already given priority to a every-ready back-up mid (Harry Sharp) over a classy but untried back-up tall (Wade Derksen). And we’ve offloaded talls Adam Tomlinson and Josh Schache, so there’s clearly room on the list now for another tall. 

Based on videos I’ve seen, it’s hard not to be excited by the exploits of the Striking Viking Alix Tauru – who has an incredible leap and is only just getting used to playing as a forward after spending his early days as an intercept defender. And dare I say it, but his Nic Nat leaping style is something we need more than anything to spark the lads up at training. There’s nothing quite like an exciting teenager to take your mind off the club’s problems.

As to our other get, it will be interesting to see whether the rise of HokBall means we will want the quickest livewire mid/small to go with the big. I have no doubt JT was planning to take Murphy Reid, although his fear at missing out on Tauru probably means we will most likely miss out on Reid and have to look for the next best player left – and from what I’ve seen so far, on video, I’m actually tipping that JT’s love of the west means he will take Bo Allan with that pick. Here’s how I see it unfolding and some of the big dilemmas facing clubs, primarily Richmond.  

1 Jagga Smith (Rich)

There’s been a lot of talk lately that the Tigers are more interested in Sam Lalor with pick 1, but that option defies belief. Smith is a livewire, small clever mid – an even better version of the clever Murphy Reid you might say – and he starred in the Tigers VFL side in two of his three games that he played this year.  He’s trained with them and they love him. To risk losing him would be a big, big call, but it’s possible given North, Carlton and Adelaide won’t take him (they have other priorities), leaving us as the only potential spoilers at pick 5 before the Tigers pick 6. 

If North don’t take Tauru at 2, then JT would face a tricky decision on whether to pass on Smith as well if he fell that far and get Tauru at 5, but if they do take Tauru, then my tip is that we will go with Smith and add Armstrong, Shanahan or Jonty Faull. 

Whilst in a more logical world, I have Tigers taking Smith at 1 and North taking Lalor at pick 2, if the Tigers decide they want to be risktakers and try and get both Lalor and Smith and go Lalor with pick 1, then I reckon North then goes Tauru and we will have to decide if we take Smith or Reid at five, which we should until … the phone rings on draft night. 

Tim Lamb then advises his team that the Tigers are willing to offer us picks 10 and 11 for pick 5. They may also offer up pick 11 and their first rounder for 2025 – which is a likely top three pick, which would be even more tempting. Lamb would have an interesting call to make in that eventuality. But I’m tipping the Tiges will go the more orthodox route and make Jagga their No.1. And if they do, then the phone call remains a figment of my imagination.

2 Sam Lalor (NM)

Unlike Smith, Lalor has a bit of size about him at 188cm (6ft1in) and he’s shown he can be both the tough mid and the clever leading forward (that crunching pack mark for Vic Country that is on almost every video of him was a super highlight). He also has more goal sense than most of the other mids – he kicked seven on return from injury at APS level. He’s been compared to Dusty (hence why Tiger fans rate him) but I reckon he’s more in the Matthew Larkin in his prime mould – similar vision and awareness, although he’s a better mark than Larkin ever was. Being a bigger mid/fwd, it means the Roos will like him because Wardlaw, McKercher and Sheezel aren’t big-bodied like him. 

The Roos should also be considering Harvey Langford, for exactly the same reason – he has size (190cm) and a thumping left foot kick which is a point of difference for their mids, but his lack of raw pace may see him slide a bit. 

As stated earlier, if the Tigers take Lalor then the Roos may decide to take the big gamble and go with Tauru at pick 2 – a player they apparently like the look of as well, but two months ago he was rated a likely second-rounder at best, so the risk factor is there. 

The other possibility is that the Tigers offer up picks 10 and 11 for pick 2 – meaning they are guaranteed Lalor and Smith. Would the Roos take it, given they could then go two quality talls or a mid/tall combo. I reckon they should, but most clubs don’t as they are inherently conservative for fear of ramifications. 

3 Levi Ashcroft (Bris)

The Tigers won’t bid on him at No.1 because they need the marketing power of keeping the No.1 label, so it’s then up to North or the Blues to hold the premiers accountable. The Roos did bid on Will Ashcroft back in 2022 and Jed Walter in 2023, so I reckon the Kangas might pass on him this time as he isn’t what they require position wise. And if that’s the case, the Blues will definitely bid on him to keep the Lions honest – especially given they are also in the same window.   

4 Finn O’Sullivan (Carl)

The Blues have already given up picks 12 and 14 to get this pick and it’s no secret they want him – Carlton always goes with the footy bloodlines and being Sam Walsh’s cousin will have Lygon St salivating. They will be a little scared that the Tigers will snare him at pick 1, but his VFL form for them, aside from two neat goals, wasn’t exactly exceptional. He did however stand out at testing, so everyone is aware he has upside and he will start as a classy, quick half forward for them, which is what they crave right now.

5 Sid Draper (Adel)

Have a look at his highlights video and you know the guy is quick, smart and strong, although he still needs to work on his kicking prowess – he has a bit of the Clayton Oliver’s about him with his preference to handball. But as SA skipper, he seemed more aware of the importance of using his line-breaking ability at the carnival and his pace is top tier. The Crows will consider the best midfield bull in Harvey Langford, but I’m tipping they go local – big ramifications if they don’t and he turns out a gun.   

6 Alix Tauru (Melb)

As stated above, JT will be told to take a big as a priority and if Tauru is still around because North overlook him, then I reckon we have to take him here. The Saints will surely take him as one of their two picks if we don’t. He still looks a bit like a dear in headlights with his goalkicking routine, but I’m sure with good training from Chocco and our new forwards coach, he will get into good habits. And if he can’t find the goals, he’s a walkup start as an intercept defender in the James Sicily mould down the track (May and T-mac are not exactly young). And the best thing, for those of you fearful of another Jack Watts or even Matt Jefferson is that he loves tackling.

I suspect JT had been thinking of using this pick for Murphy Reid, but solving our tall problem should be the priority. The proviso on this is what happens if Jagga Smith is still on the table or North gambles on the striking viking at pick 2. If North does go Tauru, one of Lalor or Smith will also still be around, and if it’s Smith I reckon that phone call from the Tigers may be made to us. And Tim Lamb better be ready.

7 Harvey Langford (Rich)

With Lalor and O’Sullivan gone, the Tigers will turn to their attention to a player who they have trialled in the VFL and one who finished the season for Dandenong Stingrays like he was Marcus Bontempelli. He’s a powerful extractor with a booming left-foot and being bid-bodied will compliment Jagga Smith, who is the exact opposite. He’s also got a huge tank, but the only doubt about him in this modern HokBall world is that he lacks pace. But Patty Cripps doesn’t have pace either and he’s the best in the game.

8 Isaac Kako (Ess)

You have to assume Essendon had inside word that the Saints would bid on him, otherwise their decision to give up pick 9 to us is bizarre. I doubt he is better than Murphy Reid, but he certainly has pace and leads up well. He also has that dynamic Kozzie-type aggressive style, so he should make an impact in a couple of seasons.

9 Murphy Reid (StK)

I reckon the Saints will be jumping to get their local Sandy lad who has that touch of Gryan Miers about him. That’s a shame because we would definitely take him if he fell to our pick 9 (which will most likely slide to pick 11 or even 12). If JT’s intel is that the Saints aren’t into Tauru then I reckon we will flip and take Reid at pick 6. 

10 Harry Armstrong (StK)

With Jack Steele 29 next month and more of a lockdown player, the Saints will consider Josh Smylie, but I suspect a few clubs are wary of his low-tackle count and Ross and Smylie would clash big time I reckon. And Matteas Phillipou showed good signs late in the year and is a player earmarked for the guts, so another tall option up forward for the Saints would be smart. Armstrong’s high agility rating also would help their confidence as that was Nate Caddy’s strength as well last season. Armstrong looks a classy kick, but I didn’t see too many hangers in his highlights. But he’s quick on the lead, so that’s not crucial anyway.

Being another Sandy kid helps the Sainters community appeal as well!

11 Leo Lombardo (GC)

This guy is freakishly quick and agile and has high skills, but he’s a tad small – a bit like Caleb Daniel in his heyday. He looks to me like a cash cow for your SuperCoach teams next year and will play round 1 for the Suns barring injury. The Saints should have bidded on him to ensure the Suns lose their two second rounders before their third rounder. But I suspect if they bid on Kako they may not want to go again for a player they don’t get, so I reckon it will be left up to bid on him with our next pick. JT loves smalls like him anyway, although the Suns will match our bid in a flash.

12 Bo Allan (Melb)

One of Reid, Smith or Lombard would have been the perfect player to combine with Tauru and solve most of our shortages and help counter Hokball. But alas, I doubt that will happen. Allan is the last of the players who I reckon are certainties to be high-quality impact players and being from WA, it’s a happy recruiting ground for JT. He’s a tall left-foot mid who moves really well and is a decent kick and he’s tough enough to play in the middle as well as off half-back where he will play for us for at least a couple of seasons until he’s ready to go inside. He reminds me a lot of Adelaide’s Jordan Dawson. He’s already had a taste of big games having been handy in the WAFL grand final and as captain of WA ticks all the boxes. In fact he’s so good a prospect, that if the Tigers did come knocking for our pick 5 in exchange for picks 10 and 11, I think I’d have to say yes because we still would get him.

13 Luke Trainor (Rich)

Having set up their midfield with Smith and Langford, the Tigers surely will look at long-term bigs and Trainor is regarded as the best tall defender. You’d have to think West Coast at pick 15 would want a replacement for Barrass at their pick if the Tigers don’t pounce here. 

14 Jobe Shanahan (Rich) 

He’s got a bit of the Michael Roach’s about him and is a very accurate kick. Given his size, I reckon the Dees would also be considering him, but Tauru is more exciting. I really like the look of Jonty Faull as well, but Shanahan’s games at VFL for Essendon won me over. As a footnote, if we did accept Richmond’s pick 5 trade offer in my imaginary world, then we’d take Allan, Shanahan and have a decision to make on Travaglia or Hannaford.

15 Xavier Lindsay (WC)

I reckon West Coast would be a little [censored] that we took Bo Allan and Trainor would have been the right fix for their post-Barrass defence. I can’t see them going Faull or Hannaford, and McQualter will want clever ball movers and Lindsay is a bit of a Christian Salem freak with his precise kicking and will most likely start on the wing or half-back for them.  

Appreciate the effort, but there's no mention of Josh Smillie. He isn't getting through to pick 16

[chookrat 4,247]

1 hour ago, demoncat said:

Mid only at 5 pls 

Open to a tall at 9 but we can’t pass up on an opportunity to bring in an A grade midfielder at the top end of the draft 

Absolutely agree, key position players are far to speculative at 18 years old to use an early first round pick. Would be interesting to see a table showing at what draft picks the top 5 in the coleman were taken over the past 20 years and how many years since they were drafted to win it.

Unless they are a Jesse Hogan or Puke Jackson who already dominate as 18 year olds you end up having pick 5 running around in the VFL for the first few seasons when you could have a Caleb Windsor contributing on the field.

[Adam The God 30,217]

Three mids in the top 15 if we can get it, please.

I'll settle for two mids in the top 10 too.

I'd suggest whether we split our second pick will come down to who's available by 9.

[Young Blood 2,620]

I will be really disappointed if we draft Reid with either 5 or 9. I'd like to know where this info is coming from about Taylor liking this guy because he doesn't have the one trait both Taylor and Goodwin hold highest which is ability to compete in the contest.

Has nice skills and vision. Uses the ball well in space sure. But unlike the other top mids in this draft he doesn't like physicality and often gives quick rushed handbells as soon as someone lays a finger on him. I'm sure he might end up being a decent outside mid/half forward one day but he's got so much work to do on the defensive side of his game and competitiveness in the contest.

Below is a particularly average game in Sandy's GF win a few weeks ago. But it highlights just how poorly I think this guy will go with serious AFL pressure in the big leagues.

Huge no for me. With out picks. I think he will slide to the 15-20 range.

 

 

Edited October 20 by Young Blood

[Jeremy 981]

7 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Jagga Smith is apparently our favourite, with Harry Armstrong being looked at with our 2nd pick. I know very little about the draft or the draftees, but going by media reports, and the above well researched post, it seems Smith will be gone by our first pick. I quite like what I've ready about Reid, sounds like exactly the sort of player that would compliment our existing midfield and help us change the style in there somewhat. Is he a 'ready made' type? Would he likely line up round 1?

If we go with Armstrong at 9 you’d have to think they have little faith in Jefferson 

[demoncat 1,415]

11 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Jagga Smith is apparently our favourite, with Harry Armstrong being looked at with our 2nd pick. I know very little about the draft or the draftees, but going by media reports, and the above well researched post, it seems Smith will be gone by our first pick. I quite like what I've ready about Reid, sounds like exactly the sort of player that would compliment our existing midfield and help us change the style in there somewhat. Is he a 'ready made' type? Would he likely line up round 1?

Smith is probably bottom of my list in the top range for pick 5 (although he still looks a gun), and Armstrong I’m hoping we’re not looking at at all for pick 9, so personally hoping your info is wrong or we change tack closer to the night 

Thanks for the info though 

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[Young Blood 2,620]

18 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Interesting. Thanks for the info. I'm torn a little on this - I completely understand what you're saying ,especially about our history of 'competitive' types, but I would also say there's been a few examples where we've gone more for skill - Weideman, Laurie, Jefferson, Fritsch - So, even though they're mostly not great examples of outcomes, it does show we may potentially look for a mix. Personally, I've had about quite enough of 'contest and defence' and I think our crowd numbers, membership numbers and results against the trends of other AFL teams say we need to tip the balance back somewhat. So in saying that, given you've watched Reid play, how bad would you say that competitiveness aspect is? Is it a big enough factor that you wouldn't look at him? Or is it passable enough that his skill and composure makes up for it?

I realize that for a lot of MFC supporters that 'contest' and 'defense' are a bit triggering with how its talked about from the club, and players and combining that with our boring playing style. Which of course I don't care about if it means winning games and apart from this season those two pillars have had great success for us the last few years.

Anyway that's beside the point a bit. I'm just questioning this kids competitiveness and want to win the contest. I've watched a fair few Sandy games and he does tend to panic in contested situations. Maybe this is something he can build on I don't know. I feel he mostly just cruises around. His cute little handbells and floated kicks look great but I don't think it will translate as well at AFL level is just my opinion. Hope I'm proved wrong!

So much of AFL is the ability to win one-on-one contests and I think as an MFC player we've drafted so well the last few years finding players who really strive in these situations. (Kolt, Windsor, Rivers, Koz, Jackson). All of these players have skill and great physical attributes with their agility and pace, but they love the physical stuff too.

 

Edited October 20 by Young Blood

[KozzyCan 764]

24 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Jagga Smith is apparently our favourite, with Harry Armstrong being looked at with our 2nd pick. I know very little about the draft or the draftees, but going by media reports, and the above well researched post, it seems Smith will be gone by our first pick. I quite like what I've ready about Reid, sounds like exactly the sort of player that would compliment our existing midfield and help us change the style in there somewhat. Is he a 'ready made' type? Would he likely line up round 1?

Armstrong doesn't look like anything special tbh.

[KozzyCan 764]

21 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Honestly don't know anything about him outside of him being a key position player (I believe?).

You can find his highlights on youtube. He looks like he kicks the ball straight but he seems to be operating with a lot of space, taking marks on a lead, not a lot of physicality as far as I've seen. I don't see anything that makes me really sit up. I don't think I could handle using yet another first rounder on an average key forward.

Edited October 20 by KozzyCan

[Ted Lasso 19,497]

My rough guess which will probably be different by tomorrow is. 

1. Sam Lalor (Richmond) 

2. Levi Ashcroft (Brisbane)

3. Alix Tauru (North Melbourne)

4. Finn O'Sullivan (Carlton)

5. Sid Draper (Adelaide)

6. Jagga Smith (Melbourne)

7. Leo Lombard (Gold Coast)

8. Harvey Langford (Richmond)

9. Josh Smillie (St Kilda)

10. Harry Armstrong (St Kilda)

11. Murphy Reid (Melbourne)

12. Issac Kako (Essendon)

13. Jobe Shanahan (Richmond)

14. Luke Trainor (Richmond)

15. Bo Allen (West Coast)