8 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

24 in 23 and 18 in 24 ain't bad, it could be better and hopefully it will be better this year. To say he's not in the best 23 by round 1 this year is just plain stupid.

He's a good little player to say that Brown or Woewodin should take his place is dumb they ain't forwards Moniz maybe but he's making his way as a half back ATM so I say keep him there. The way Salem has played the last few years and the way Bowey played last year he has more chance getting in front of them than getting ahead of Chandler.

I don't see where the hatred has come from? He is a more certain starter in the 23 than your love child Jefferson. Jefferson gives me Weid vibes. Weid was good in the VFL just couldn't handle the expectations at AFL level.

Um hatred?? Um no just pionting out what he doesn't do! Unless you dont believe that forwards need to kick goals to justify a spot in the team! Sorry but that to me is MANDATORY! 18 doesn't cut it!

Edited January 2Jan 2 by picket fence

Chin, the new ANB - in more ways than one ...

11 hours ago, adonski said:

Better odds of winning tattslotto, world peace or a Tom Sparrow break out year than our best forward ever getting dropped

I think you are confusing most goals and best. 

Don't get me wrong, Fritter is a gun.

But even at his best I have koz and JVR ahead of Friitter in terms of ability.

And he was miles from his best last season.

Sure he once again topped our goal kicking list, but his effort and intensity was sub par as evidenced by his polling in the bluey.

Barely missed a game, kicked most goals but still couldn't crack the top 10 - unlike three other forwards in nibbla (3rd), koz (4th) and Chandler (8th).

Fritter looks very motivated this preseason, so signs are positive he'll pull his finger out.

But if he doesn't there's every chance he'll be dropped.

Edited January 2Jan 2 by binman

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Edited January 2Jan 2 by Lexinator
Misread post, not relevant.

2 hours ago, binman said:

I think you are confusing most goals and best. 

Don't get me wrong, Fritter is a gun.

But even at his best I have koz and JVR ahead of Friitter in terms of ability.

And he was miles from his best last season.

Sure he once again topped our goal kicking list, but his effort and intensity was sub par as evidenced by his polling in the bluey.

Barely missed a game, kicked most goals but still couldn't crack the top 10 - unlike three other forwards in nibbla (3rd), koz (4th) and Chandler (8th).

Fritter looks very motivated this preseason, so signs are positive he'll pull his finger out.

But if he doesn't there's every chance he'll be dropped.

Frittata goal kicking record speaks volumes despite a poor (by his standards) year in 2024. 
 

Im interested who you think would take his spot if dropped? 
 

He was one of the few who had surgery post 2024. It may explain a few things. 

7 hours ago, picket fence said:

Um hatred?? Um no just pionting out what he doesn't do! Unless you dont believe that forwards need to kick goals to justify a spot in the team! Sorry but that to me is MANDATORY! 18 doesn't cut it!

 

Chandler came 8th in the Bluey yet you’d prefer to hang your hat on a untried hunchback with questionable attack on the ball…..got it!

45 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

 

Chandler came 8th in the Bluey yet you’d prefer to hang your hat on a untried hunchback with questionable attack on the ball…..got it!

8th in a team that finished 14th yer well, if that floats ya boat!

5 hours ago, Nietaphart said:

Frittata goal kicking record speaks volumes despite a poor (by his standards) year in 2024. 
 

Im interested who you think would take his spot if dropped? 
 

He was one of the few who had surgery post 2024. It may explain a few things. 

Well let's not over egg the pudding on the goal kicking front.

Sure he topped our goal kicking list, but he only kicked 41 goals.

Who would take his spot if dropped?

Well for a start Langford, who is 3cms taller than Fritter, will likely be a forward mid.

So Fritta has got one more medium forward to compete with next season - two if you count AJ. 

Melk is a medium option as is McAdam if he comes good.

Again, Fritter is a gun. Love him.

But if his intensity is not AFL standard he'll find himself out of the team. 

10 hours ago, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

I am confused how you can have Lindsay in the side when he has been in rehab pretty much all preseason so far and if I understand comments wont join full training til end of January. 

What do you base this on? 

Unrelated, I love Melksham and think he will offer fantastic depth and assist player development but if he is in the side more than a handful of times this year (even as sub) our list has not developed and I doubt we are playing finals. We must start to see up and coming players pass him by, 

He'll be right by the end of March plenty of time. You underrate Melksham crafty little player.

3 hours ago, Roost it far said:

 

Chandler came 8th in the Bluey yet you’d prefer to hang your hat on a untried hunchback with questionable attack on the ball…..got it!

 

A late withdrawal from the team means an unexpected last minute debut. 

Edited January 3Jan 3 by Tarax Club
Run the melodrama reel…

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

8th in a team that finished 14th yer well, if that floats ya boat!

It’s nothing to do with where the team finished and everything to do with his standing in the team. 

1 hour ago, binman said:Well let's not over egg the pudding on the goal kicking front.

Sure he topped our goal kicking list, but he only kicked 41 goals.

Who would take his spot if dropped?

Well for a start Langford, who is 3cms taller than Fritter, will likely be a forward mid.

So Fritta has got one more medium forward to compete with next season - two if you count AJ. 

Melk is a medium option as is McAdam if he comes good.

Again, Fritter is a gun. Love him.

But if his intensity is not AFL standard he'll find himself out of the team. 

41 goals is not something to be sneezed at particularly when playing in a team that is poor moving/transitioning the ball fwd and without it’s A grade midfielders. 200 goals over 4 seasons is elite for goal kicking. 
 

None of the playing group mentioned will have the same impact as Fritta, and I am not talking just about goal kicking. Oppositions place their best backman on him due to his scoring impact and ability take the game away. 
 

Love the man, but at least understand the deficits placed on him with the game plan, lack of viable support up fwd, and not being allowed to be HFF he is. He is not a KPF. 
 

Too much expectation on the guy, then perceived supporter disappointment is being placed on him. IMO. 

1 hour ago, Nietaphart said:

41 goals is not something to be sneezed at particularly when playing in a team that is poor moving/transitioning the ball fwd and without it’s A grade midfielders. 200 goals over 4 seasons is elite for goal kicking. 
 

None of the playing group mentioned will have the same impact as Fritta, and I am not talking just about goal kicking. Oppositions place their best backman on him due to his scoring impact and ability take the game away. 
 

Love the man, but at least understand the deficits placed on him with the game plan, lack of viable support up fwd, and not being allowed to be HFF he is. He is not a KPF. 
 

Too much expectation on the guy, then perceived supporter disappointment is being placed on him. IMO. 

IMO his intensity dropped to a level that is not sustainable, as evidenced by his tackle numbers:

 

26 minutes ago, binman said:

Does this take in consideration oa knee injury and lack of mobility in 2024. How does that match up with other mid forwards in the game? Being played as a KPF when physically suited to a HFF role? 
 

Kozzie and JVR are different types of fwds therefore they are not 100% comparable. How does all Fritta’s stats compare to similar fwds in the AFL. Including goals per game? 
 

Stats are great, but need to be used appropriately, and in comparison to similar types of player. Not with a small fwd who is elite defensively and an athletic beast, and a crash and bash KPF in JVR. 
 

Stats are a useful resource, but are flawed at the same time. Every expert in The game talks about natural ability to read the game. How do you stat a tagger vs a natural ball getting midfielder. Who has more talent to read the play and get the ball? Who has more impact using their strength? 
 

Stats are great to prove a point, but they don’t prove a point as AFL is different beast of a game. Too many variables as evidence with the interpretation, umpiring and adjudicating the game. 
 

Getting back to the point, there is no way Fritta gets dropped in 2025 if his output is 41 goals for the year. I suspect it will be more as last year was a poor year by his standards. He is more a 50 goal a year forward if you average out those stats. 
 

 

 

 

15 hours ago, Roost it far said:

 

Chandler came 8th in the Bluey yet you’d prefer to hang your hat on a untried hunchback with questionable attack on the ball…..got it!

Nasty comment!

On 03/01/2025 at 09:06, binman said:

I think you are confusing most goals and best. 

Don't get me wrong, Fritter is a gun.

But even at his best I have koz and JVR ahead of Friitter in terms of ability.

And he was miles from his best last season.

Sure he once again topped our goal kicking list, but his effort and intensity was sub par as evidenced by his polling in the bluey.

Barely missed a game, kicked most goals but still couldn't crack the top 10 - unlike three other forwards in nibbla (3rd), koz (4th) and Chandler (8th).

Fritter looks very motivated this preseason, so signs are positive he'll pull his finger out.

But if he doesn't there's every chance he'll be dropped.

I don’t think Fritta was ever right last year, physically or mentally.

Hopefully this year he is back to his best.

16 hours ago, binman said:

Well let's not over egg the pudding on the goal kicking front.

Sure he topped our goal kicking list, but he only kicked 41 goals.

Who would take his spot if dropped?

Well for a start Langford, who is 3cms taller than Fritter, will likely be a forward mid.

So Fritta has got one more medium forward to compete with next season - two if you count AJ. 

Melk is a medium option as is McAdam if he comes good.

Again, Fritter is a gun. Love him.

But if his intensity is not AFL standard he'll find himself out of the team. 

An issue with Fritsch is that he is really only valuable as the deepest forward. He is not a great kick inside 50, is one sided and lacks the effort when the ball hits the deck. This means that he can be a liability up the ground and we need to structure our forward line with him close to goal.

6 hours ago, picket fence said:

Nasty comment!

It was but you were annoying me 😘

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

It was but you were annoying me 😘

You need to ban yourself for a week to have a think about it! By all means say what u like about me but leave personal attacks on our players out of it!

5 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

An issue with Fritsch is that he is really only valuable as the deepest forward. He is not a great kick inside 50, is one sided and lacks the effort when the ball hits the deck. This means that he can be a liability up the ground and we need to structure our forward line with him close to goal.

I think Binman has the best opinion on Fritta. He is irreplaceable in our forward line and an extra 20 goals to 60 would be priceless for our forward line. 
in fact all our forwards plus new recruits XL Langford and AJ plus Sharp can all add to our flexibility and goals to make up the necessary points up to 90 plus for a Finals team. 

I would hate for Fat Tony to summarise the weaknesses of all our forwards based on his summary of Fritta. 

Last season was his worst really so I have full confidence he will be back in his best with support from new players and existing alike to ensure we get back to a confidence that will ensure a forward line with many options for the crest of the competition to fear. 

I see Fritta's position coming under threat if Melksham is banging down the door and McAdam gets on the park and plays with intensity that Fritta sometimes lacks.

It's a bit sad to compare McAdam and fritta's intensity. I do hope Fritta comes out all guns blazing.

10 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

He is not a great kick inside 50, is one sided

 

...the AFL players that are not one sided would make a very short list.

4 hours ago, Adam The God said:

I see Fritta's position coming under threat if Melksham is banging down the door and McAdam gets on the park and plays with intensity that Fritta sometimes lacks.

In other words he’s safe as houses