The Wade Derksen Thread

[adonski 11,084]

What a strange player for the Giants to play hardball on

[Sydee 4,274]

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

That’s what McCartney is probably pushing for a better deal than his profile demands.

We are quick to trade players for unders and are probably seen as a soft touch and then pay overs to trade in to get the deal done.

Imagine paying what you get for Nibbler for an untried player of 23 years old. 3rd in our B and F last night and a Premiership player who never misses a game for a maybe. 

We traded Bedford for 44 and he is now a regular in their team and as described by them one of their most important tagging/pressure/goal assist players.

I think most of us here have serious concerns over our recent recruiting decisions - hopefully our form improves dramatically on this front 

[DeeSpencer 24,988]

5 minutes ago, seventyfour said:

Every year there are fringe player swho wants to leave, but the clubs who hold them label them as a "required player".

They always end up being traded, often on the last day and for late picks.

It'll get done.

Adelaide refused to trade E Himmelberg to the Giants last year because they couldn’t secure a tall replacement. He was older with more exposed form as an ordinary player.

Id have this as a genuine 50:50.

[Jaded No More 68,692]

Just now, DeeSpencer said:

Adelaide refused to trade E Himmelberg to the Giants last year because they couldn’t secure a tall replacement. He was older with more exposed form as an ordinary player.

Id have this as a genuine 50:50.

And didn’t that work out well for them. Lost him a year later for SFA

[Deez21 251]

McCartney once in a while likes to play this tough guy act after letting plenty leave and then randomly tell someone they have no interest in they can’t go to send a message 

 

would be awful to do that considering their situation. I remember they did it to Bobby Hill

 

ill try find out more 

[old dee 23,560]

On 24/09/2024 at 14:40, 58er said:

Do you really know anything about Wade ?

Others that are posting seem to have some knowledge and are relatively keen. 

I’d back them rather than your off handed comment. 

From my view this year we had no back up for Max. He would look to offer more than others at Casey.

[old dee 23,560]

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Adelaide refused to trade E Himmelberg to the Giants last year because they couldn’t secure a tall replacement. He was older with more exposed form as an ordinary player.

Id have this as a genuine 50:50.

He would have to offer more than those at Casey this year.

[Roost it far 7,781]

7 hours ago, 58er said:

You make some outlandish statements RIF 

He has a good profile for no AFL games so far and is very versatile in ruck back or forward. 

Probably equivalent or ahead of Jeffo in experience. Good size also. 
Hope we can lure him for next year.

Whilst I do love some outlandish statements this one regarding a 23 year old maybe ok player isn't one of them. I still think we'll get him but GWS want us to pay more it appears.

[Deez21 251]

Just check in on this with the original source and it seems that GWS are pretty adamant they will not trade him

 

Too Important to lose a versatile tall during a window.

 

Unless they are able to find their own replacement (himmelberg already rejecting them) I’m not sure how we can get this done.

[Sydee 4,274]

2 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

Just check in on this with the original source and it seems that GWS are pretty adamant they will not trade him

 

Too Important to lose a versatile tall during a window.

 

Unless they are able to find their own replacement (himmelberg already rejecting them) I’m not sure how we can get this done.

Maybe they should give the bloke a game if he has so much going for him 

From what Ive seen of GWS he is a long way back in the pecking order - he will likely spend another year languishing in the 2s 

Not sure he’s in our best 22 but closer than GWS imo - not great player management from them tbh 

[Young Blood 2,373]

Have there been many circumstances where a fringe/depth player nominates for another club for more opportunity or more importantly for better family support with his young children and the club simply says no?

I think what we're seeing is GWS promoting publicly that he's an important player to them they would like to keep, simply to raise the asking price.

Its all posturing I reckon. 

[adonski 11,084]

25 minutes ago, Young Blood said:

Have there been many circumstances where a fringe/depth player nominates for another club for more opportunity or more importantly for better family support with his young children and the club simply says no?

I think what we're seeing is GWS promoting publicly that he's an important player to them they would like to keep, simply to raise the asking price.

Its all posturing I reckon. 

Might get pick 50 instead of pick 60 for him now

[Deez21 251]

50 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Maybe they should give the bloke a game if he has so much going for him 

From what Ive seen of GWS he is a long way back in the pecking order - he will likely spend another year languishing in the 2s 

Not sure he’s in our best 22 but closer than GWS imo - not great player management from them tbh 

Yep they had periods of the season where Taylor Buckley and Aliir were out 

and ended up playing Keefe in a final

 

can see why Dersken would feel hard done by

 

Coach and list manager should have a chat 

[FreedFromDesire 783]

1 hour ago, Sydee said:

Maybe they should give the bloke a game if he has so much going for him 

From what Ive seen of GWS he is a long way back in the pecking order - he will likely spend another year languishing in the 2s 

Not sure he’s in our best 22 but closer than GWS imo - not great player management from them tbh 

Perhaps, but what would our response be if Matthew Jefferson requested a trade elsewhere?

[Adam The God 29,683]

20 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Perhaps, but what would our response be if Matthew Jefferson requested a trade elsewhere?

Well done for putting one good VFL season together, Matthew, you'll be in our plans next season if you continue to improve. Just look at the apprenticeship JVR had before coming in and getting games as well.

[FreedFromDesire 783]

1 minute ago, Adam The God said:

Well done for putting one good VFL season together, Matthew, you'll be in our plans next season if you continue to improve. Just look at the apprenticeship JVR had before coming in and getting games as well.

Exactly. So I think we can understand the response from GWS about a developing tall who hasn't had a chance yet then. Of course, we all know they're likely bluffing, but it's not a ridiculous response really.

[Adam The God 29,683]

1 minute ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Exactly. So I think we can understand the response from GWS about a developing tall who hasn't had a chance yet then. Of course, we all know they're likely bluffing, but it's not a ridiculous response really.

Jefferson wasn't anywhere near the required standard until about half way through this VFL season though. He started in the back pocket such were his struggles...

[FreedFromDesire 783]

5 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Jefferson wasn't anywhere near the required standard until about half way through this VFL season though. He started in the back pocket such were his struggles...

Agree that his second half of the season was far better, and given he was named emergency multiple times he was clearly close to selection - But really that is irrelevant to the point which is clubs wanting to hold on to developing talls even if they haven't had a senior chance yet.

The Jefferson comparison was in response to another poster who seemed a bit miffed by GWS not being willing to trade Derksen given he hasn't played seniors, but it's really not as simple as that is it?

Edited Sunday at 06:26 by FreedFromDesire

[Adam The God 29,683]

10 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Agree that his second half of the season was far better, and given he was named emergency multiple times he was clearly close to selection - But really that is irrelevant to the point which is clubs wanting to hold on to developing talls even if they haven't had a senior chance yet.

The Jefferson comparison was in response to another poster who seemed a bit miffed by GWS not being willing to trade Derksen given he hasn't played seniors, but it's really not as simple as that is it?

Fair enough, I just think we also invested a first round pick in Jefferson. Derksen was a mid season draft pick.

Anyway, onward.

[Roost it far 7,781]

GWS know that he's way more valuable to us than he is to them......They want more for him than we're offering. If we actually have been tracking him and see further potential it's not out of the question that GWS squeeze a F2 out of us. That's called overpaying but our track record says we do that. 

[The Jackson FIX 2,877]

On 05/10/2024 at 10:50, adonski said:

What a strange player for the Giants to play hardball on

Someone Giants-related spoke about this scenario the other day in the media (I am going to say it was Bartel but can’t remember) - they have a growing problem with young players they’re developing putting their hand up and saying they're either homesick or looking for more opportunity… the insinuation was this isn’t an issue for southern- states teams.

 

Their stance might be less about Diggler specifically and more about sending a message to their playing list. 

[Dee Boys 514]

1 hour ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Perhaps, but what would our response be if Matthew Jefferson requested a trade elsewhere?

One was a pick 15, the other’s a mid season draft pick. Apples and oranges.

[DeeSpencer 24,988]

23 minutes ago, Dee Boys said:

One was a pick 15, the other’s a mid season draft pick. Apples and oranges.

But good list management means you all but disregard a players draft spot the moment the draft is finish. It’s largely irrelevant. Forget draft position, he’s a young tall who’s shown promise at both ends.

The better argument is Jeffo is 20 and Wade is 23. 

So not only has he had more time as a mature body ready to play games he’s also now at the stage where you’re almost harming his career if you don’t get games in to him.

That said, he was the one who chose financial security signing on for 2 years at the end of last year knowing he was down the pecking order. He could’ve done a 1 year deal and be guaranteed to be on the way out. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

[FreedFromDesire 783]

35 minutes ago, Dee Boys said:

One was a pick 15, the other’s a mid season draft pick. Apples and oranges.

Understand that, but the point wasn't about their draft order, it was understanding why GWS would want to play hard ball on a developing tall who hasn't played a game. The argument was basically 'he hasn't played a game, so they should let him go' - So I framed that against Jefferson and what our reaction would be if he requested a trade. I think the defensive posts about it all have answered the question to be honest with you.

[58er 6,105]

On 05/10/2024 at 15:35, Roost it far said:

Whilst I do love some outlandish statements this one regarding a 23 year old maybe ok player isn't one of them. I still think we'll get him but GWS want us to pay more it appears.

Posturing I would believe