On 27/01/2025 at 00:59, DistrACTION Jackson said:

So the 21st century commenced on 1 Jan 2001. Can we move on now? 🤪

yes, that is the convention

If we had started with a proper year 0ad,  then the 21st century would have been from 01/01/200 to 31/12/2000 which would have made more sense

look, I understand the convention, but it is an interesting fact that we skipped a year in chronology by going from -1 to +1 and that is just plain maths

this all started by me trying to warn off demonstone by pointing out it was a hoary issue and him being disparaging to others who could see that there is a legitimate area of confusion

now i'll go back in my shell

So if my plane leaves at 12am is that the same as the year 2000? Asking for a friend.

  On 26/01/2025 at 18:17, 58er said:

Think you would take the chance s….d 

I guess I'm just reserving judgement 

It would be very interesting if Freo didn’t make it out of the first round of finals. Would he still want to go? Would others be open to move out?

What’s stopping us from offering one of their players a mammoth deal? It can be unsettling for the team but with the pending increase in the salary cap can also be justified for the right player. But as we’ve seen in recent years mega deals aren’t always enough, just look at North’s many failed attempts to land top end talent. We must get back to being a stable club off the field and back to being a dominant force on it. 

  On 25/01/2025 at 08:06, Roost it far said:

Darcy’s on stupid money. Personally beyond Gawn I think we look at average rucks from around the league and put the money into another midfielder. We got lucky with Gawn s and we ain’t likely to replicate it. If Koz goes we want the equivalent of 2 top 10 picks. It’s why a deal can’t get done. 

That's what we said about Jackson.  Clubs don't walk away from trades if the player wants to go.

  On 26/01/2025 at 17:56, 58er said:

Darcy is injury prone and has not had one 6/8 matches year missed in his career. 
 
Best to recruit Jacko and his Mum back. 

Sorry for this stupid post but let’s be serious let’s get Tracy or Serong or Andrew Brayshaw or two of them for Kossie if he ever goes to Freo. 

Haha let's be serious followed but both Brayshaw and Tracy for Kossie

  On 27/01/2025 at 03:43, Pickettup said:

It would be very interesting if Freo didn’t make it out of the first round of finals. Would he still want to go? Would others be open to move out?

They finished 10th last season, yes they had some injuries but so did most teams. They picked up Bolton who is an enigma, on his his day he can gather 25+ touches and kick 2-3 goals but he can also go missing for large parts of games when the going gets tough. 

  On 26/01/2025 at 23:55, Demonstone said:

Your arithmetic is faulty.  

When 1 BC ended, 1 AD commenced.  There is no year zero.  How could there be?

According to the AFL your arithmetic is wrong. How else could we get a Round Zero

  On 26/01/2025 at 22:37, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Freo will only give us draft picks. No chance we’ll be getting a Darcy, Brayshaw, Serong or Young as Freo will want to improve their list rather than going sideways.

This is a really a dumb statement...

Do you think we really want to let Kozzie go?

What is it with our supporters...think one of our contracted players will go but for some reason think we can't get one back.

Of course they want to improve their list, what we don't.

Our job is not to help them get a better list, it's about ours and if they really want Kozzie then they are going to have to give up something really good to get him.

I give up...

  On 27/01/2025 at 09:05, rjay said:

What is it with our supporters...think one of our contracted players will go but for some reason think we can't get one back.

Evidence suggests it is rare that we would be getting a great player back in a trade where Kossie signals he wants to depart… it’s not just freo we have to convince, we also have to find a great player that wants to come to us, which is hard because their playing group  would believe they are on the rise and us on the fall.

  On 27/01/2025 at 09:13, The Jackson FIX said:

Evidence suggests it is rare that we would be getting a great player back in a trade where Kossie signals he wants to depart… it’s not just freo we have to convince, we also have to find a great player that wants to come to us, which is hard because their playing group  would believe they are on the rise and us on the fall.

The thing is that we don't have to trade...

  On 27/01/2025 at 09:05, rjay said:

This is a really a dumb statement...

Do you think we really want to let Kozzie go?

What is it with our supporters...think one of our contracted players will go but for some reason think we can't get one back.

Of course they want to improve their list, what we don't.

Our job is not to help them get a better list, it's about ours and if they really want Kozzie then they are going to have to give up something really good to get him.

I give up...

It’s a not a dumb statement in the slightest because when was the last time a gun player was traded in return for a gun player:

Dangerfield ❌ Bolton ❌ Rankine ❌ Barrass ❌ J Cameron ❌ Taranto and Hopper ❌L Jackson ❌ Horne-Francis ❌ the list goes on and on.

Technically Port got Lukiousos in for Houston but that was a very convoluted trade 

I get that you want top value by way of a player in return but a club in contention will not be willing to give up one of their established players. Then the ball is in our court on whether we accept unders. We probably would if his future is untenable here.

  On 27/01/2025 at 10:08, Bring-Back-Powell said:

a club in contention will not be willing to give up one of their established players.

The point is that we're still in contention.

Why would we be willing to give up one of our established players?

  On 27/01/2025 at 10:10, rjay said:

The point is that we're still in contention.

Why would we be willing to give up one of our established players?

My concern is that he’d be so desperate to leave later in the year that we’ll have no choice but to trade him for unders.

Hopefully it won’t get to that.

  On 27/01/2025 at 10:08, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Dangerfield ❌ Bolton ❌ Rankine ❌ Barrass ❌ J Cameron ❌ Taranto and Hopper ❌L Jackson ❌ Horne-Francis ❌

Dangerfield was a free agent but Geelong softened the blow. Bolton, the tiges wanted picks, Rankine was on the GC roundabout, who cares...Cameron a free agent, Taranto and hopper work middle of the road and got it...Jackson, an interesting one but we came out ok in the end, Barrass WC didn't seem interested to keep more wanting picks, HF, well it didn't matter much to North, they weren't in contention and picks were good enough on a list build...

  On 27/01/2025 at 10:16, rjay said:

Dangerfield was a free agent but Geelong softened the blow. Bolton, the tiges wanted picks, Rankine was on the GC roundabout, who cares...Cameron a free agent, Taranto and hopper work middle of the road and got it...Jackson, an interesting one but we came out ok in the end, Barrass WC didn't seem interested to keep more wanting picks, HF, well it didn't matter much to North, they weren't in contention and picks were good enough on a list build...

Ok, that’s fair.

Now point out to me examples of trades where clubs lost a quality player and received a quality player in return.

Where we differ in opinion is that you think it’s fair and just that a gun player like a Young or Brayshaw should come back our way for Kozzie. My contention is that there has been no recent precedence where a gun player was traded for a gun player, and it would therefore be extremely unlikely to occur in a prospective trade between Freo and Melbourne.

  On 27/01/2025 at 10:15, Bring-Back-Powell said:

My concern is that he’d be so desperate to leave later in the year that we’ll have no choice but to trade him for unders.

Hopefully it won’t get to that.

If he's desperately homesick then we need to play the how homesick are you card and invite WC to the party...

  On 27/01/2025 at 10:23, Bring-Back-Powell said:

My contention is that there has been no recent precedence where a gun player was traded for a gun player, and it would therefore be extremely unlikely to occur in a prospective trade between Freo and Melbourne.

You're probably right but there have been murmurs about Brayshaw plus Darcy will probably be usurped by Jackson or visa versa so there may be room to move there.

edit: it's a big season for both clubs. If they fail again then the glue won't be so strong to bind the team, players will look to move. If we do then it's rebuild time for us.

Edited January 27Jan 27 by rjay

  On 27/01/2025 at 10:24, rjay said:

If he's desperately homesick then we need to play the how homesick are you card and invite WC to the party...

That I agree on for sure.

The “I’m so desperate to get back home to WA, but I’ll only accept a trade to Freo” is a blight on our game.

  On 27/01/2025 at 10:15, Bring-Back-Powell said:

My concern is that he’d be so desperate to leave later in the year that we’ll have no choice but to trade him for unders.

Hopefully it won’t get to that.

Let's say you are correct and by playing hard ball we are forced receive unders. 

We will receive that in 2027 as if we keep koz to his contract he has to play in 2025 and 2026.

We have the whip hand. If he wsa tin the final year of his contrat this year it would be a differn scario. But he's not.

If koz wants to get to another club in 2026 that club will have to come to the table with some decent capital.

The threat of not getting much in return at the end of the 2026 season is a pretty empty one given all that can play out in two years (i'll bet Lachie Neale is happy he stuck fat with the the lions). 

Edited January 27Jan 27 by binman

  On 27/01/2025 at 09:13, The Jackson FIX said:

Evidence suggests it is rare that we would be getting a great player back in a trade where Kossie signals he wants to depart… it’s not just freo we have to convince, we also have to find a great player that wants to come to us, which is hard because their playing group  would believe they are on the rise and us on the fall.

I am missing something here. The club held Petty, Trac and Clayton (?) requests for a trade because they were under contract. It was really cool of the club to do that and doesnt Kozz have 3 more years? Thats why we give big contracts isnt it? Surely we tow the same line and presedent which is more than fair enough. Like Trac last year under stress (love the man!)  Kozzzie prob hasnt got his head around the contract situation in full. 

 

Jackson was not under contract and I have no idea what the neale bulleen situation was but I got the "dont ask, just trust us its for family reasons" vibe from the club for that one.

Kozzie, whethere likes it or not is a well looked after jewel for the club and there is no way they will just roll over. Not any more.

Just my opinion, but i think when we let ANB get to Adelaide, that must have triggered something in Kozzy. He's always wanted to go back home, there is no doubting that. 

 

Well Brayshaw is off to Hawthorn unofficially... So maybe two first rounders.