Pert and Roffey - The Review Thread

[Hawk the Demon 1,028]

20 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

Hawk, first of all, why don't you answer some of the questions about your direct involvement in this matter? Your failure to do so is absolutely telling.
 

Secondly, you seem to forget that whilst concessions were made along the way in the trial, ultimately Lawrence continued to pursue the case in the eventually fruitless pursuit of the opportunity to drag Melbourne through a public circus every time there is an election. He lost on that point. As far as most members are concerned, I think we are particularly glad that he did because there is enough bad media about the football club in any event. In defending this position, MFC  incurred costs; yes, they didn't recover them from Lawrence, but he didn't recover his costs from them either. He appears to be a rich man determined to spend whatever it takes to pursue his personal ambitions. Do most of us find that appealing? No.

 

Anyway, with the somewhat good news about a home, I expect all of this Lawrence rubbish will get forgotten, and not a moment too soon.

 

Making the reasonable assumption that he spent something similar to the Club on legals in this case (and he had a history of donating generously to the Club before the CEO told him those donations were no longer welcome) I reckon the Club starts about $1.4 million behind on the foundations for Caulfield. What a shame - all of that to avoid a Board candidate being interviewed by Gerard Whateley - no other Victorian AFL Club prevents that. Maybe raises a few questions about the personal ambitions of the Board incumbents as they review themselves. Ollie, I don't think this will be forgotten when the financials for this year drop and the Q&A opens at the AGM.

[waynewussell 6,237]

I wish Demonland adopted some of the MFC Board regulations so certain posters could be rejected for representing selfish objectives!

[titan_uranus 25,039]

13 minutes ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Making the reasonable assumption that he spent something similar to the Club on legals in this case (and he had a history of donating generously to the Club before the CEO told him those donations were no longer welcome) I reckon the Club starts about $1.4 million behind on the foundations for Caulfield. What a shame - all of that to avoid a Board candidate being interviewed by Gerard Whateley - no other Victorian AFL Club prevents that. Maybe raises a few questions about the personal ambitions of the Board incumbents as they review themselves. Ollie, I don't think this will be forgotten when the financials for this year drop and the Q&A opens at the AGM.

Without commenting on the cost that has been incurred to get to this point, and the impact that has on the club, the bold is incorrect and you know it Hawk. 

You have substantial "high ground" against the club after its highly misleading and disingenuous email following the judgment, but comments like this erode it.

[Hawk the Demon 1,028]

5 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Without commenting on the cost that has been incurred to get to this point, and the impact that has on the club, the bold is incorrect and you know it Hawk. 

You have substantial "high ground" against the club after its highly misleading and disingenuous email following the judgment, but comments like this erode it.

Please explain how those words are not correct?

Candidates may not be "giving an interview that is transmitted to the general public by way
of the media, including radio, television, blog or vlog"
 

[He de mon 942]

1 hour ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Making the reasonable assumption that he spent something similar to the Club on legals in this case (and he had a history of donating generously to the Club before the CEO told him those donations were no longer welcome) I reckon the Club starts about $1.4 million behind on the foundations for Caulfield. What a shame - all of that to avoid a Board candidate being interviewed by Gerard Whateley - no other Victorian AFL Club prevents that. Maybe raises a few questions about the personal ambitions of the Board incumbents as they review themselves. Ollie, I don't think this will be forgotten when the financials for this year drop and the Q&A opens at the AGM.

I am curious to know what your association is to the Lawrence ticket? You bleat about transparency and yet you remain silent when asked reasonable questions about your involvement. It isn’t a difficult question to answer.

[rpfc 28,727]

3 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

A balanced and capable Board? This is a Board that spent $650,000 "winning" a case which adopted pretty much all of the sensible changes to election rules and processes that were proposed in October last year. And in their triumph, they told members - don't worry we'll chase the bloke to recover costs. What did they get? Zero. Don't think there will be any flashy announcements about that development.

You’re excellent at creating a straw man to argue with. 

[Fromgotowoewodin 1,606]

Are you charging by the post for this campaign work @Hawk the Demon? Hopefully it’s not a success fee for getting the Lawrence ticket up at the AGM cos I’m getting the sense popularity is going backwards each time you recycle the same material on here.. 

[Ollie fan 3,468]

2 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Making the reasonable assumption that he spent something similar to the Club on legals in this case (and he had a history of donating generously to the Club before the CEO told him those donations were no longer welcome) I reckon the Club starts about $1.4 million behind on the foundations for Caulfield. What a shame - all of that to avoid a Board candidate being interviewed by Gerard Whateley - no other Victorian AFL Club prevents that. Maybe raises a few questions about the personal ambitions of the Board incumbents as they review themselves. Ollie, I don't think this will be forgotten when the financials for this year drop and the Q&A opens at the AGM.

That assumes that Lawrence would have given the money he spent on costs, to the club. I have no reason to believe that,  although I accept he has been a generous donor (? Trying to buy his way on to the board?)

 

Anyway, you will have read the other posters telling you you are going backwards - and until you tell us the truth about your involvement with Lawrence, I am sure that  will continue.

[Mel Bourne 4,533]

40 minutes ago, Skuit said:

 

But in a surprise twist, I previously wrote a published article about Sally's career history in glowing terms, including a reference to her time at Arthur Andersen.

That should give you enough of a hint as to my own identity, so now you can get to work on a strategy to undermine my reputation as well. 

 

I’m enjoying how this thread is becoming like the end of a Scooby Doo episode. 

[titan_uranus 25,039]

6 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Please explain how those words are not correct?

Candidates may not be "giving an interview that is transmitted to the general public by way
of the media, including radio, television, blog or vlog"
 

What's not correct is the insinuation that "all of that" was to avoid board candidate being interviewed by Gerard Whateley, as if that was the only thing Lawrence sought in what was left of the dispute to be decided by the judge.

The combination of his desire to have the disparagement clause removed (having rejected a compromise offered by the club for reasons which made no sense to the judge) and the ability to campaign on all forms of media (including social media) was to have a far wider impact than simply being interviewed by someone. 

What's lost in the "but the judge accepted his position on that was reasonable" argument is that the judge also accepted the club's position on those issues is reasonable too. It was, and remains, reasonable for the club to have decided that we don't want board candidates going on radio, or TV, or online, and effectively mouthing off at the club, its directors, and other board candidates.

[Whispering_Jack 30,572]

Could posters please avoid the personal stuff and try to keep the discussion friendly and constructive?

[Skuit 10,031]

7 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Could posters please avoid the personal stuff and try to keep the discussion friendly and constructive?

I'll stand down. But a random question: if it was proven that someone was being paid to post on this site, would that be in contravention of the forum rules? It's a bit blurry, but I see that under Demonland's guidelines an unauthorised advertisement could cop a $1,000 bill in the mail. Is that per post? 

[Hawk the Demon 1,028]

2 hours ago, Skuit said:

I'll stand down. But a random question: if it was proven that someone was being paid to post on this site, would that be in contravention of the forum rules? It's a bit blurry, but I see that under Demonland's guidelines an unauthorised advertisement could cop a $1,000 bill in the mail. Is that per post? 

Thank you for standing down Skuit. And Whispering Jack, I am not being paid to post on this site, so please don't send me a bill. 🙂

[Hawk the Demon 1,028]

On 18/09/2024 at 14:20, daisycutter said:

you're certainly winning our hearts and minds, hawk, with your gentle persuasions

Just wondering if anyone knew how our external reviews were going? We know Darren Shand is helping out Gary Pert and Brad Green reviewing the Football Department. Anyone know who the unnamed "external independent expert" is who is helping the Board examine itself?

[Ollie fan 3,468]

6 minutes ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Just wondering if anyone knew how our external reviews were going? We know Darren Shand is helping out Gary Pert and Brad Green reviewing the Football Department. Anyone know who the unnamed "external independent expert" is who is helping the Board examine itself?

I expect they are going - and I sincerely hope that the outcomes are dealt with quietly, behind the scenes, as previously discussed, and as recommended by Malcolm Speed, which would have the pleasing side effect of not letting you and your crony Lawrence - and you still haven't come clean about the nature of your relationship with him, by the way - give the media fodder for further abuse and destabilisation of the club and its administration.

[drysdale demon 4,837]

22 minutes ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Just wondering if anyone knew how our external reviews were going? We know Darren Shand is helping out Gary Pert and Brad Green reviewing the Football Department. Anyone know who the unnamed "external independent expert" is who is helping the Board examine itself?

Mick Gatto

[Dr. Gonzo 24,266]

4 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Just wondering if anyone knew how our external reviews were going? We know Darren Shand is helping out Gary Pert and Brad Green reviewing the Football Department. Anyone know who the unnamed "external independent expert" is who is helping the Board examine itself?

Probably end up buried in the top draw like Cam Schwab's "Andrews Report" that never saw the light of day.

[Hawk the Demon 1,028]

4 hours ago, Ollie fan said:

I expect they are going - and I sincerely hope that the outcomes are dealt with quietly, behind the scenes, as previously discussed, and as recommended by Malcolm Speed, which would have the pleasing side effect of not letting you and your crony Lawrence - and you still haven't come clean about the nature of your relationship with him, by the way - give the media fodder for further abuse and destabilisation of the club and its administration.

"Quietly, behind the scenes". Gee that sort of approach has worked well during the last three years. Three current Federal Court cases on foot with suits against the current President (until the Board vote again later this year), the current Vice President (twice), a retiring director (twice) the immediate former President (twice), a former director and two other current directors (once).

[The Great Pretender 473]

8 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

"Quietly, behind the scenes". Gee that sort of approach has worked well during the last three years. Three current Federal Court cases on foot with suits against the current President (until the Board vote again later this year), the current Vice President (twice), a retiring director (twice) the immediate former President (twice), a former director and two other current directors (once).

You’re starting to sound like a broken record. Anyone can start a suit. Most of them don’t get to the hearing stage so why not wait to see how that pans out before adding fuel to the fire?

[Whispering_Jack 30,572]

Any chance we can restrict our discussion on suits to Giorgio Armani or Zegna?

[drysdale demon 4,837]

1 minute ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Any chance we can restrict our discussion on suits to Giorgio Armani or Zegna?

Okay, I have a couple of Zegna suits plus 4 pairs of trousers, 3 jackets and various shirts and ties.

[waynewussell 6,237]

I'm pretty sure Elon has taken control of Hawk's posts now, so Hawk can recover from the massive swing against him!

[drysdale demon 4,837]

1 hour ago, waynewussell said:

I'm pretty sure Elon has taken control of Hawk's posts now, so Hawk can recover from the massive swing against him!

Wonder if he has heard of the phrase " Don't f l o g a dead horse".

Edited September 26 by drysdale demon

[Ollie fan 3,468]

I said a while ago that although the only sensible course - as endorsed by Speed  - would be to keep the outcome of the review confidential, there would be people on here who would insist that that is a cover -up etc, in some unknown way benefits the club to show the world any faults that are found. It looks like that has already started.

Edited September 27 by Whispering_Jack
Let’s keep the personal stuff out of it please

[Clintosaurus 7,858]

Absolutely the findings should be kept in-house. Any personnel changes will be obvious but anything else - don't announce at all. Just implement.