Season 2024 Over for Clayton Oliver

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

14 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

Clarry has put in a HUGE amount of work and has categorically bought into the club. His commitment to change, self-improvement and betterment is absolutely genuine. 
 

Clarry has had a huge amount of resources expended on him, which has been seen as a mutual commitment from both club and player alike. 
 

I can understand that players are regularly discussed, but I really hope this hasn’t (doesn’t) damage the relationship and trust that has improved tenfold, between Oliver and the club. 

It would take something monumental to undo what both Clarrie and the club have established in terms of a common goal. Like, something of biblical proportions.

Clarrie is eternally grateful for all the hard work and resources afforded him by the club, likewise the club is grateful that Clarrie is giving it everything he’s got and that he is ‘extremely loyal’ to use Goody’s own words.

So yeah, maybe another club has asked the question, maybe several have. But imho Clarrie is staying put at a club that he acknowledges has done so much for him and that has great belief in him. 

[BLWNBA 692]

2 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

Let's use our brains. To GET him a club would have to offer at least two low first-rounders and take over all his salary. Who is going to do that at this stage of his career? On the other hand, we have invested a great deal of effort into helping a player who has been one of the top 5 or so players EVER to play for Melbourne, and who is now totally committed to repaying the club for that. 
 

It won't happen. And if WCW is right and players read this garbage, that would be a terrible thing for his mental health and recovery.

To be fair, we’ve shown that we’re prepared to move players on even when they’re ’high profile’, if we did trade Oliver I don’t think it would be extremely surprising (i.e., Watts, Hogan, Grundy). 

Regarding the second point, what has been posted isn’t disparaging; and let’s not use a sliding scope argument in an effort to dictate behaviour. I’m not suggesting the forum should turn into an unmitigated free-for-all, but this is so far from something that needs to be curtailed or censored. 

[Jaded No More 67,598]

1 minute ago, BLWNBA said:

To be fair, we’ve shown that we’re prepared to move players on even when they’re ’high profile’, if we did trade Oliver I don’t think it would be extremely surprising (i.e., Watts, Hogan, Grundy). 

 

3 very different scenarios but I take your point

Also none of the 3 you mentioned achieved even a smidge of what Clarry has in red and blue. 

[Earl Hood 6,057]

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

How does Clarry feel about this? I doubt he would want to leave. 
Two first rounders seems well under unless they’re firmly within the top 10. 
 

If we trade Clarry we are admitting that we are rebuilding. Window will be firmly shut. 

I think we are in rebuilding phase. I would seriously look at a good offer. 

[BLWNBA 692]

2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

3 very different scenarios but I take your point

Also none of the 3 you mentioned achieved even a smidge of what Clarry has in red and blue. 

Don’t disagree with your points at all. Was more just high-lighting that at the trade table we’ve historically been prepared to make some very big calls (granted, I agree that all three were for very different reasons though and with varying returns). 
 

Also clarifying my comments around it be not all surprising we’re in reference to the disposition of us, as a club, at the trade table - not an expectation it will occur.

Edited September 5 by BLWNBA

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[Jaded No More 67,598]

8 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

I think we are in rebuilding phase. I would seriously look at a good offer. 

If the club thought that, then why chase Houston? Why not trade Viney?

You might think we are in a rebuild phase, but I don’t think the club agrees. Besides Oliver just turned 27, he’s not exactly hitting retirement. He easily has 6 great years left in him if he gets himself back to fitness.

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

23 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

 

It won't happen. And if WCW is right and players read this garbage, that would be a terrible thing for his mental health and recovery.

It’s true… some players DO read DL. I don’t know why some people refuse to believe that (not you, Ollie fan). It’s a Demons forum and it’s a well-respected and respectable Demons forum, therefore what’s so unbelievable about players reading it?

[The heart beats true 17,737]

1 minute ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

It’s true… some players DO read DL.

Well in that case….

I’ve always loved you Clarrie. Don’t go anywhere. We’ve got your back.

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

45 minutes ago, djr said:

I think the difference here is that the rumour is not potentially libellous.

Yes but it’s potentially gasket-blowing 😅

[Deelectable 1,043]

5 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

It’s true… some players DO read DL. I don’t know why some people refuse to believe that (not you, Ollie fan). It’s a Demons forum and it’s a well-respected and respectable Demons forum, therefore what’s so unbelievable about players reading it?

FWIW I do believe it and, with all that's happened,  why some here want to post totally unsubstantiated rumours beggars belief. Nothing good can from it .

[Dr. Gonzo 23,671]

56 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

It would be the biggest mistake to trade Clarry in order to appease Trac, when we all know Trac won’t stop looking for a “brand management” move.

If we trade Clarry it’s because we have decided our window is shut and we are trying to capitalize on the high value players we have. Or because something amazing has fallen into our lap and we need the picks to make it happen. 

Imagine that, trade Clarry and Trac wants out in 12 months 🤯

[Jaded No More 67,598]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Imagine that, trade Clarry and Trac wants out in 12 months 🤯

I think Trac will continue to explore his options no matter what we do as a club.
Regardless, you do not let players make list management decisions for you. 

[titan_uranus 24,556]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Maybe because it's no coincidence that soon as Petracca has raised issues with the club we now find ourselves that Clarry may be on the trade table..

If the right offer is there then do the trade.

If Trac had a Clarry issue, it wasn't with Clarry himself. It was with the club for how it handled that situation.

Spending all year getting Clarry into what is, from all reports, the best off-field place he's been in years, only to then summarily trade him would be a really strange move. I know some will say "but it's two first round draft picks", but even then, after everything we've been through, if we then say "thanks Clarry but we don't actually care about you that much" I think that undoes so much of what we've tried to achieve this year as to be a bad decision.

[Dee Zephyr 19,145]

37 minutes ago, 640MD said:

Ok just when the Dee’s were off the media ****sheet.  Some assss whole wants to put us back.   Give me a break

Fine if you think it’s BS, no need for name calling though. 

[speed demon 804]

1 hour ago, Sir Windsor said:

Hmmm … I’d rather a fit and firing Oliver over Trac tbh. 

If Oliver has done enough to prove his turned a new page, vs Tracs alleged rogue antics. Oliver everyday of the week. 

I'm with you @Sir Windsor.

If Trac wants to leave - at 28yo and coming off a major injury - trade for the right price. That's business. 

If Oliver wants to stay - as a vulnerable person who seems to be getting his life back on track - keep if he's committed and capable. Trading wouldn't be business it would be an erosion of trust between the playing group and the football department. 

I strongly doubt it happens. 

[Red But Mostly Blue 4,410]

Are there no other clubs that can hit the news re trades/non trades? Are we the only club?

Clarry is not going anywhere. And those willing to sell him down the river for a couple of speculative 1st round picks - I will look out for your supportive comments when he's tearing up the midfield again, like his normal self after a big preseason. Poor guy - building up to be, if not already, in the conversation as one of our best EVER. He has 1 average year (average, not 'bad' - just 'bad' to some according to his ridiculously lofty standards) and suddenly he's expendable. For unknowns. 

I've read, and it seems to be the case, that he's an emotional guy. I think it would mean a lot to him that we have his back, and don't just want to give him the old heave-ho for a bag of beans. 

Ridiculous!!!

[Dee Boys 424]

24 minutes ago, Deelectable said:

FWIW I do believe it and, with all that's happened,  why some here want to post totally unsubstantiated rumours beggars belief. Nothing good can from it .

But it’s clearly not totally unsubstantiated. @goodwindees has a pretty impeccable track record with his mail. 

Getting the inside word on what’s happening within the four walls of the footy club is a big reason for a lot of people being on this site and the actual thing that beggars belief is why on earth anyone would want to censor that, or abuse anyone who’s providing that. Genuinely cannot for the life of me understand it.

If you don’t like it then ignore it, like people do with a bunch of other topics and posts. 

[Deelectable 1,043]

4 minutes ago, Red But Mostly Blue said:

Are there no other clubs that can hit the news re trades/non trades? Are we the only club?

Clarry is not going anywhere. And those willing to sell him down the river for a couple of speculative 1st round picks - I will look out for your supportive comments when he's tearing up the midfield again, like his normal self after a big preseason. Poor guy - building up to be, if not already, in the conversation as one of our best EVER. He has 1 average year (average, not 'bad' - just 'bad' to some according to his ridiculously lofty standards) and suddenly he's expendable. For unknowns. 

I've read, and it seems to be the case, that he's an emotional guy. I think it would mean a lot to him that we have his back, and don't just want to give him the old heave-ho for a bag of beans. 

Ridiculous!!!

He is a superstar and one of our all time greats. As you say one average season. Two first round picks ? Give me a spell. 4 b&f's and could have had a couple of Brownlows if it wasn't for Trac and vice versa. In rotating order people have wanted Petracca,Oliver and Viney all gone. Guess what they're sll staying. Don't need a 'source'. Just know. I said put plenty on it a few weeks ago and nothing has changed.  Wanting Clarry gone is downright embarrassing. 

[Deelectable 1,043]

Just now, Dee Boys said:

But it’s clearly not totally unsubstantiated. @goodwindees has a pretty impeccable track record with his mail. 

Getting the inside word on what’s happening within the four walls of the footy club is a big reason for a lot of people being on this site and the actual thing that beggars belief is why on earth anyone would want to censor that, or abuse anyone who’s providing that. Genuinely cannot for the life of me understand it.

If you don’t like it then ignore it, like people do with a bunch of other topics and posts. 

'Impeccable track record'? Please repost. I'll kick it off with Will Hayward.😉

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,694]

Maybe Stephen Smith has said 'I'm in - and here are my conditions . . . '

[BoBo 2,912]

54 minutes ago, Deelectable said:

Let's hope players like Clarry don't read this drivel. Even if this were true not sure of the motivation of a 'supporter' who would post this at this time.

I just want to be clear, were you the poster that questioned whether @Jaded No More was a Collingwood plant or not a real Melbourne ‘supporter’?

Can you please confirm if that was you or not?

Can’t remember and if I’m wrong I apologise. 
 

[Dee Boys 424]

Just now, Deelectable said:

'Impeccable track record'? Please repost. I'll kick it off with Will Hayward.😉

From memory he said we were interested in Will Hayward. Not that we’d definitely land him. Do you know how many players clubs show interest in that don’t end up getting done?!

As previously stated, if you don’t like it then don’t read it. It’s like that famous Ricky Gervais stand up line about guitar lessons - if you don’t like it then move on! Why on earth would you try to censor something that other people appreciate and doesn’t adversely affect you?

[JTR 2,840]

Hi Tom

When you go with this as your 'scoop' for tomorrow, could you at least credit the forum/thread/poster this time?

Cheers

 

[Deelectable 1,043]

1 minute ago, BoBo said:

I just want to be clear, were you the poster that questioned whether @Jaded No More was a Collingwood plant or not a real Melbourne ‘supporter’?

Can you please confirm if that was you or not?

Can’t remember and if I’m wrong I apologise. 
 

No need to apologise.  If I said it I'd readily admit it but I didn't. Said some other stuff but not that. Cheers.