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Kevin Bartlett:

The 403-gamer admitted it’s been a disappointing start to 2025 for the Demons, but doesn’t think Goodwin is solely to blame.

“All the talk about Simon Goodwin surprises me,” Bartlett said on Wide World of Sports. “There’s a lot of things happening at Melbourne, but I don’t think it’s the coach,” he said. “You’ve got a good coach, support him.”

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      On 18/04/2025 at 08:20, bing181 said:

    It doesn't matter whether you buy it not, it's a fact.

    Go back and watch the Simpson interview, where he went through trying to change the way WCE players - and admitted that it failed. And it failed because he didn't have the players who could play the way they were trying.

    Plenty of other examples as well.

    Of course Simpson doesn't have a vested interest in trying to paint it as a player/list issue rather than coaching issue.

    Sometimes you have to coach to win the game, not coach to win the flag in 3-5 years.

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      On 18/04/2025 at 08:20, bing181 said:

    It doesn't matter whether you buy it not, it's a fact.

    Go back and watch the Simpson interview, where he went through trying to change the way WCE players - and admitted that it failed. And it failed because he didn't have the players who could play the way they were trying.

    Plenty of other examples as well.

    It’s only a fact if you believe it.

    WC were the first side to “sook it up” during COVID and they have done nothing since.

    Standards at the MFC have slipped badly, the only time we were a dam good side was whilst Burgess was at the helm, driving hi performance. “You will play with pain and drive yourself through it”

    Since he has left we are back to Close enough is good enough….

    Goodwin’s gameplan is a farce if we can only kick 6 goals against North and lose by 10 goals.

    Do you think the gameplan is going to look any different tomorrow??

    We have all been conned the last 2-3 years, we have to sweep a large broom through the whole club, trouble is finding elite replacements will be very difficult, because nobody really wants to come here….

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      On 18/04/2025 at 08:36, Dr. Gonzo said:

    Of course Simpson doesn't have a vested interest in trying to paint it as a player/list issue rather than coaching issue.

    Confirmation bias.

    Especially when Simpson put his hand up and said that he'd failed.

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    I am actually quite concerned for tomorrow. I am also starting to feel genuinely concerned for the wellbeing of the club. 10k members down vs this time last year. Small crowds. 0-5. No first round pick.

    I just can't see how Goodwin coaches his way out of this. Pert and Roffey already fell on their swords. Things come in threes. Goodwin just seems like the inevitable third. It's almost like we have to fully move on from the remnants of the Jackson/Roos era.

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      On 18/04/2025 at 08:59, praha said:

    I am actually quite concerned for tomorrow. I am also starting to feel genuinely concerned for the wellbeing of the club. 10k members down vs this time last year. Small crowds. 0-5. No first round pick.

    I just can't see how Goodwin coaches his way out of this. Pert and Roffey already fell on their swords. Things come in threes. Goodwin just seems like the inevitable third. It's almost like we have to fully move on from the remnants of the Jackson/Roos era.

    Our crowds have been pretty good actually.

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      On 18/04/2025 at 09:01, Adam The God said:

    Our crowds have been pretty good actually.

    Compared to what?

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      On 18/04/2025 at 09:03, praha said:

    Compared to what?

    We had 25k against GWS and 24,5k against the Suns and in Adelaide against Essendon for our home game, another solid crowd.

    By comparison, Hawthorn at 14k in Tassie against GWS.

    By comparison, Essendon got 25k at Marvel against Port.

    We are a disaster off field, but this year, we've had reasonable crowds so far.

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      On 18/04/2025 at 08:46, Sir Why You Little said:

    It’s only a fact if you believe it.

    WC were the first side to “sook it up” during COVID and they have done nothing since.

    Standards at the MFC have slipped badly, the only time we were a dam good side was whilst Burgess was at the helm, driving hi performance. “You will play with pain and drive yourself through it”

    Since he has left we are back to Close enough is good enough….

    Goodwin’s gameplan is a farce if we can only kick 6 goals against North and lose by 10 goals.

    Do you think the gameplan is going to look any different tomorrow??

    We have all been conned the last 2-3 years, we have to sweep a large broom through the whole club, trouble is finding elite replacements will be very difficult, because nobody really wants to come here….

    Poor you

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      On 18/04/2025 at 08:59, praha said:

    I am actually quite concerned for tomorrow. I am also starting to feel genuinely concerned for the wellbeing of the club. 10k members down vs this time last year. Small crowds. 0-5. No first round pick.

    I just can't see how Goodwin coaches his way out of this. Pert and Roffey already fell on their swords. Things come in threes. Goodwin just seems like the inevitable third. It's almost like we have to fully move on from the remnants of the Jackson/Roos era.

    You're not alone in thinking this. We have just come off our best period in 6 decades and still losing members at a phenomenal rate, 2x sub 20k crowds last year, booted from prime time etc

    We would want a decent crowd/showing next week vs the Tiges or the AFL will look at whether we should maintain that fixture. They'll also be looking in the longer term whether we should be playing all home games at the G. Carlton and Essendon (and the Saints) all want more home games at the G so someone will have to make up those Docklands fixtures (and it won't be Collingwood, Richmond or Hawthorn).

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    I have been a massive Goody supporter but take this to the bank, we can't sack him until we appoint a CEO.

    It doesn't matter if we miraculously win the next 10 games straight he is gone.

    There are alot of Melbourne ex players who's names don't normally come up that want him gone and it has nothing to do with the game plan.

    Hopefully we sort this mess up before Kalani White makes his decision.

    Make no mistake Green will sack him as soon as he he has a CEO. They will probably do a pre planned review first

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      On 18/04/2025 at 09:17, Adam The God said:

    We had 25k against GWS and 24,5k against the Suns and in Adelaide against Essendon for our home game, another solid crowd.

    By comparison, Hawthorn at 14k in Tassie against GWS.

    By comparison, Essendon got 25k at Marvel against Port.

    We are a disaster off field, but this year, we've had reasonable crowds so far.

    Essendons crowd against Port was poor but was also a Thursday night game (no school hols at that stage).

    Our crowds vs GWS and Suns were weekend Arvo slots. Tomorrow the same. Yes GWS game was against the grand prix but first game of the year we still should be getting at least 30k to these games, that should be the bare minimum. Last year we got around half that against the Giants and Port.

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      On 18/04/2025 at 09:26, Wrecker45 said:

    I have been a massive Goody supporter but take this to the bank, we can't sack him until we appoint a CEO.

    It doesn't matter if we miraculously win the next 10 games straight he is gone.

    There are alot of Melbourne ex players who's names don't normally come up that want him gone and it has nothing to do with the game plan.

    Hopefully we sort this mess up before Kalani White makes his decision.

    Make no mistake Green will sack him as soon as he he has a CEO. They will probably do a pre planned review first

    why does he need a ceo before pulling the trigger?

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      On 18/04/2025 at 09:28, Roost it far said:

    I think you’ll be surprised who will come to us this off season

    Bring it on,

    i have already heard a few names who were close and decided not to..

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      On 18/04/2025 at 09:35, Roost it far said:

    I reckon we’ll go pretty hard at the right people.

    If we can pry a few people out of existing jobs i will be impressed, because we need to go for the best

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      On 18/04/2025 at 09:28, Dr. Gonzo said:

    Essendons crowd against Port was poor but was also a Thursday night game (no school hols at that stage).

    Our crowds vs GWS and Suns were weekend Arvo slots. Tomorrow the same. Yes GWS game was against the grand prix but first game of the year we still should be getting at least 30k to these games, that should be the bare minimum. Last year we got around half that against the Giants and Port.

    Plus the gather round game against Essending has a stack of mutal supporters from other clubs.

    You could clearly see that in the crowd.

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      On 18/04/2025 at 09:26, Dr. Gonzo said:

    They'll also be looking in the longer term whether we should be playing all home games at the G. Carlton and Essendon (and the Saints) all want more home games at the G so someone will have to make up those Docklands fixtures (and it won't be Collingwood, Richmond or Hawthorn).

    are they even allowed to do that?

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      On 18/04/2025 at 09:46, Roost it far said:

    I’m confident there’s an assistant coach out there who would love our list.

    Sounds a bit like trying to win at 500 with neither Bower nor the Joker.

    Need to get this place sorted and put in order , and in the proper order.

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      On 18/04/2025 at 08:20, bing181 said:

    It doesn't matter whether you buy it not, it's a fact.

    Go back and watch the Simpson interview, where he went through trying to change the way WCE players - and admitted that it failed. And it failed because he didn't have the players who could play the way they were trying.

    Plenty of other examples as well.

    Plenty of examples of teams being able to change much more successfully than we have. Its a [censored] excuse for a team that expected to play finals this year.

    But, yes the Eagles also failed. Hopefully we act before we drive our list into the ground like they did.

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      On 18/04/2025 at 09:56, KozzyCan said:

    Plenty of examples of teams being able to change much more successfully than we have. Its a [censored] excuse for a team that expected to play finals this year.

    But, yes the Eagles also failed. Hopefully we act before we drive our list into the ground like they did.

    Agreed.

    Simpson said they liked how Port attacked so got Port folk in but their attempts at a system change still failed as they didn't have the right players. Longmire on the other hand got the attacking Don Pyke to 'balance his own defensive' leanings (paraphrasing) and they went on to play in GF, albeit it they wilted badly when they got there..

    Who did Goodwin get to help implement a new system and 'balance his own defensive' leaning? No one! And we didn't learn from WCE of a new system without the players needed to execute it.

    And really if we look at the CV of our assistant coaches they are rather Meh! Haven't looked too closely at the assistants at other clubs but reckon ours, collectively would be close to the worst in the league in terms of variety of experience and directing change.

    No wonder we are where we are.

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      On 18/04/2025 at 10:22, Lucifers Hero said:

    Simpson said they liked how Port attacked so got Port folk in but their attempts at a system change still failed as they didn't have the right players.

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