6 minutes ago, Pickettup said:

You can see we have gone away from the exciting, risk taking football that we played during the 5 wins and reverted to bombing it long. I think this was due to playing finals becoming a possibility, thus the players tightened up. Now that we can’t play finals, I hope we will see the younger brigade selected and that exciting brand return.

That winning streak was massively overrated on DL. It was fun but the opposition played a large part in our success in that they were horribly out of form or just plain [censored].

10 minutes ago, JJJ said:

That winning streak was massively overrated on DL. It was fun but the opposition played a large part in our success in that they were horribly out of form or just plain [censored].

I definitely fell into this trap, mainly because I saw decent turnarounds in form from individual players. But it turns out we're the team I thought we might be at the start of the season: below average even at full strength and fairly easy to play against.

I think it's time to counter this seemingly unassailable belief that we can't sack Goodwin.

Of course we can. Might it cost money... possibly the most inanely stupid question around. Of course it will. It it bank breaking ? No.

We pay more to some very underperforming players. The money is just part of the overall expenditure on players and staff.

If for instance Simon is relieved at EOS might we only be exposed to 6 months of his remaining year ? Tbh ...I don't know. Be interested to know.

Some pundits suggest End of Contract provisions .

Even if you had to pay out 26... not end of world.

There's always the collateral harm done to a club by persisting in a direction that is not only providing no results ( certainly nothing satisfactory) as well as cumulative problems and disharmony among the playing list.

Do we want to continually waste time ?? What is the $$$ we might apportion to another year in the wilderness paying a list of players v cut your losses and get another coach ?

Simon isn't going anywhere until seasons end. That's a given. I mean.. wtf is even running the place... other than caretakers ?? They'll do nothing. They're good at that.

If the best thing for the club is to refresh the FD then that is the metric.

Paying out Simon is not most important criteria of concern.

I always suspected and suggested any decision would be made on partially our season's final standing and also as likely how we are trending.

If we're getting better he'd most likely see out 26.

If we're getting worse only a fool wouldn't show him the door.

Edited 6 hours ago6 hr by beelzebub

How anyone, ANYONE can think this guy should start the season as coach is beyond me. Even ignoring the fact there are 2 premiership coaches looking for work right now, it's simply a case of thank you for everything Goody and best of luck for the future.

The facts are simple. He can't motivate a good group of players, he has wasted 2 years with this list, and he is clueless to fixing problems that have been going on for four years now.

Another year of Goody would be another wasted year which we simply just can't afford.

4 years of forward line issues and incompetent inside 50 service,

2 years with no finals

were 15th with this list and no first round pick

If he is coaching next year and not even entertaining the idea that he should be gone, we're not a serious football club and therefore we should be not be treated as one.

Get rid now

The alarming thing for the club would be the review identified the need for more independence from the players.

All controlling Goody was not working, the new player led version is also not working.

The players themselves are not holding up their end of the bargain.

I’d love a fresh voice for 2026 and feel the players have decided that’s what they want to - they are clearly not following instruction

Edited 5 hours ago5 hr by BW511

Someone should review the review. Coz ain't much at all going right right at this minute 😉

I just do not believe any other coach would except this week in week out. Maybe we just do not have the players to replace those who need to be dropped.

It’s only money, get rid of Goodwin now. His way is not working and hasn’t for the last 3-4 seasons.

We need a new voice.

2 minutes ago, YearOfTheDees said:

I just do not believe any other coach would except this week in week out. Maybe we just do not have the players to replace those who need to be dropped.

🤔

Some will suggest some are played too often beyond reasonable doubt, whilst others not given a running chance.

Without a skerick of doubt I believe some were brought back too early and unable to play at levels required. Add to this IN FORM players dropped. 🤷‍♂️

You do raise an interesting 🤔 thought.

If those below are not good enough, why are they there ?

Is it now time to find out ?

The season is done. Has Simon the bottle to run the flag up ??

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by beelzebub

I'm not necessarily pro 'get rid of Goody' now. I have seen glimpses this year that have been pleasing.

However, I don't think he's a great game day coach and is often outwitted/stubborn to change during games.

Some of our failures really are down to the players (they are the ones who are kicking for goal, and executing the gameplan (or not). Others are due to bad luck (2023 - any one of Gus/Melk/Fritter etc still, for me, cost us a flag).

But all of the above is moot I think. If we finish bottom 4, I don't think he survives a 14th, then 15th (or worse!!) place with this list. The downward trend would be concerning. We have an opportunity to arrest that.

We CAN have a good crack at 2026. Got to keep Maxy on ice, get May and Lever fit (the latter has been horrible, the former v slow), and while we will never get the 2021 versions, we need to invest as much time in them to get the best we can for next year and/or make sure for the rest of this year we get some youth out there - see if Adams will cut it etc.

Anyhoo - that's a 2026 thing. For now, I don't think there is any chance Goody goes this year. But he has the rest of the year to convince the powers that he is the best person to lead the group next year. A bottom 4 finish (again) will likely spell the end.

He can't survive two bottom 4 finishes with this list unfortunately.

Whether you think our list or good or not, the club certainly thinks they are and have set clear targets around finals.

He hasn't met those KPIs by any stretch, and in a performance base industry, that means his job is at risk.

I wouldn't be against moving him into a footy manager role, which also negates the contract pay out issue.

Just now, Jaded No More said:

He can't survive two bottom 4 finishes with this list unfortunately.

Whether you think our list or good or not, the club certainly thinks they are and have set clear targets around finals.

He hasn't met those KPIs by any stretch, and in a performance base industry, that means his job is at risk.

I wouldn't be against moving him into a footy manager role, which also negates the contract pay out issue.

Of the 9 games left in truth I can only see 2 ...maybe at a pinch 3 wins.

We in all likelihood will finish exactly where we are which is mind boggling worse than last year even. That in my mind cements the trend.

Are we just waiting to fall of the cliff ??

The horrible truth is imo, it's not just Simon. You could take an axe to the F.D.

Who's got the balls at Melbourne to do that !!

I think it’s the corporate speak that is really frustrating

“The learnings…”

“The pivot…”

“It’s the process … not the outcome”

Footy can be a simple game. But the definition of madness is repeating the same thing over and over again with the same result!!! Our mids bomb the ball in high. Our goalkicking is horrible. Yes on the players, but it’s on the coach and coaches too. 3 1/2 years of poor conversion has to have consequences. If not, we accept mediocrity and accept weakness.

28 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

It’s only money, get rid of Goodwin now. His way is not working and hasn’t for the last 3-4 seasons.

We need a new voice.

Remember when the supporters had to get together so the club could afford Flash. Maybe a gofundme Goodwin payout page.

13 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

........

I wouldn't be against moving him into a footy manager role, which also negates the contract pay out issue.

40 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

He can't survive two bottom 4 finishes with this list unfortunately.

Whether you think our list or good or not, the club certainly thinks they are and have set clear targets around finals.

He hasn't met those KPIs by any stretch, and in a performance base industry, that means his job is at risk.

I wouldn't be against moving him into a footy manager role, which also negates the contract pay out issue.

Has this ever happened? I think it would be a disaster. We'd be better off paying him to sit at home than have his spectre hanging around the club while the new coach is trying to make his mark.

Goodwin absolutely wants to be coach, demoting him and giving his job to someone else would be culturally toxic imo.

Just now, KozzyCan said:

Has this ever happened? I think it would be a disaster. We'd be better off paying him to sit at home than have his spectre hanging around the club while the new coach is trying to make his mark.

Goodwin absolutely wants to be coach, demoting him and giving his job to someone else would be culturally toxic imo.

Being a football manager is not a demotion its a promotion. He will be replacing Alan Richardson, and overseeing the football operation side of the club. It's a more senior role with a lot less public pressure.

I am not suggesting it should happen, but say what you like about Goody, the players do love him and he is a big reason why many of them are committed to the club.

I have no idea if he would be a good football manager, it was just a suggestion.

Alan Richardson's position has come under scrutiny and he's out of contract. My bet is that his role will be reappointed regardless of what happens with Goody.

43 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

corporate speak

Corporate speak is almost always about evading or hiding something.

"We're not interested in the outcome" is a fairly transparent way of sidestepping the fact the entire club thought they were a finals contender at the start of the season.

49 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

He can't survive two bottom 4 finishes with this list unfortunately.

Whether you think our list or good or not, the club certainly thinks they are and have set clear targets around finals.

He hasn't met those KPIs by any stretch, and in a performance base industry, that means his job is at risk.

I wouldn't be against moving him into a footy manager role, which also negates the contract pay out issue.

Many on here over rate our list in myview we miss anb and brayshaw

Oliver is part of the problem viney also. The brand looks lazy and disinterested. Salem is a shadow Petty is a joke Roo struggles and more than likely won't make it Jefferson who knows?

It is a very average list.

5 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Being a football manager is not a demotion its a promotion. He will be replacing Alan Richardson, and overseeing the football operation side of the club. It's a more senior role with a lot less public pressure.

I am not suggesting it should happen, but say what you like about Goody, the players do love him and he is a big reason why many of them are committed to the club.

I have no idea if he would be a good football manager, it was just a suggestion.

Alan Richardson's position has come under scrutiny and he's out of contract. My bet is that his role will be reappointed regardless of what happens with Goody.

I don't think Goodwin would see it as a promotion.

Only way it could work is if Goodwin put his hand up and said he needed to get out of the coaches box. If we asked him to do it I think he'd be insulted.

Imo a new coach would need clear air and having the old coach hanging around wouldn't do them any favours.

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

I think it's time to counter this seemingly unassailable belief that we can't sack Goodwin.

Of course we can. Might it cost money... possibly the most inanely stupid question around. Of course it will. It it bank breaking ? No.

We pay more to some very underperforming players. The money is just part of the overall expenditure on players and staff.

If for instance Simon is relieved at EOS might we only be exposed to 6 months of his remaining year ? Tbh ...I don't know. Be interested to know.

Some pundits suggest End of Contract provisions .

Even if you had to pay out 26... not end of world.

There's always the collateral harm done to a club by persisting in a direction that is not only providing no results ( certainly nothing satisfactory) as well as cumulative problems and disharmony among the playing list.

Do we want to continually waste time ?? What is the $$$ we might apportion to another year in the wilderness paying a list of players v cut your losses and get another coach ?

Simon isn't going anywhere until seasons end. That's a given. I mean.. wtf is even running the place... other than caretakers ?? They'll do nothing. They're good at that.

If the best thing for the club is to refresh the FD then that is the metric.

Paying out Simon is not most important criteria of concern.

I always suspected and suggested any decision would be made on partially our season's final standing and also as likely how we are trending.

If we're getting better he'd most likely see out 26.

If we're getting worse only a fool wouldn't show him the door.

We may be in danger of losing some of our young crop if we insist in keeping Simon.

If 2026 is just a repeat of 2025, under Simon, I can see names like XL or Langford starting to doubt their long term commitment to this club.

If nothing more, a new coach may be enough to get those players excited about the future.

There are many intrinsic factors to winning when the sides are very even, with some areas better in each team. The highly skilled insight by Jeff White a month ago illistrated this.

Then there are training drills that players need to be taught to perform as instinct.

Im not a coach but Im sure other teams would do this. It drives me nuts as kicking was my one wood and I watch others at my circle work we old fartts do twice weekly for 30 years. I hate rabbits that screw up a kick and by the time youve retrieved it they are screaming for a handball.

Bear with me:

1. Kicking low and hard down a corridor from a standing start. 30 metres under a 4 metre ceiling? At least Id say. More likely 3 metres. Try aiming at an open bin with its lid up, it is harder than aiming at a person. aiming at goal is not aiming at a person and is much harder.

2. Looking for a handball instead of a kick around the corner, shows confidence in team mates. Some players only have one other version than straightahead of them. Viney (Left hand over right shoulder), Clarrie, left or right but too often kick over the shoulder on the boundary, never HB low, along the line or behind. Tracc always is confident with his disposal. WTF?

3. How fast can you run and deliver accurately and low? Rivers can run but hoofs it. Can he learn to slow a step and deliver? Players need to know their limits. Can you change kick direction at last minute? You should!

4. I dont play golf but have seen the side on videos of the swing. Some players foot arc means they should change their drop depending on age, injury and speed. I found as I got older, if i kicked the very bottom of the ball at half speed (pretty slow!) I could keep it low. Cant do it at speed, thats when a HB is probably better. Kicking the lower third is correct most ot the time but not always.

5. If its a mark or free then there is no excuse to put it on someones head or in a pack. If you eyeball your target you should be able to get his correct side and the ball should be spinning correctly, doesnt sound a big deal but it should be drilled into players.

   Im sorry if this seems footy 101 and all drafted players have these skills already. i see other teams use the above and wonder why Choco is our kicking coach. i wouldnt get him to tie my tie.

   Rant over. fight me.

2 minutes ago, Damo said:

There are many intrinsic factors to winning when the sides are very even, with some areas better in each team. The highly skilled insight by Jeff White a month ago illistrated this.

Then there are training drills that players need to be taught to perform as instinct.

Im not a coach but Im sure other teams would do this. It drives me nuts as kicking was my one wood and I watch others at my circle work we old fartts do twice weekly for 30 years. I hate rabbits that screw up a kick and by the time youve retrieved it they are screaming for a handball.

Bear with me:

1. Kicking low and hard down a corridor from a standing start. 30 metres under a 4 metre ceiling? At least Id say. More likely 3 metres. Try aiming at an open bin with its lid up, it is harder than aiming at a person. aiming at goal is not aiming at a person and is much harder.

2. Looking for a handball instead of a kick around the corner, shows confidence in team mates. Some players only have one other version than straightahead of them. Viney (Left hand over right shoulder), Clarrie, left or right but too often kick over the shoulder on the boundary, never HB low, along the line or behind. Tracc always is confident with his disposal. WTF?

3. How fast can you run and deliver accurately and low? Rivers can run but hoofs it. Can he learn to slow a step and deliver? Players need to know their limits. Can you change kick direction at last minute? You should!

4. I dont play golf but have seen the side on videos of the swing. Some players foot arc means they should change their drop depending on age, injury and speed. I found as I got older, if i kicked the very bottom of the ball at half speed (pretty slow!) I could keep it low. Cant do it at speed, thats when a HB is probably better. Kicking the lower third is correct most ot the time but not always.

5. If its a mark or free then there is no excuse to put it on someones head or in a pack. If you eyeball your target you should be able to get his correct side and the ball should be spinning correctly, doesnt sound a big deal but it should be drilled into players.

   Im sorry if this seems footy 101 and all drafted players have these skills already. i see other teams use the above and wonder why Choco is our kicking coach. i wouldnt get him to tie my tie.

   Rant over. fight me.

Can you start tomorrow.. ????

The bins brought back memories.. lots of drills finished with kicking to a bin, ideally in it. All about learning to direct and weight a ball.

Good post , excellent post 👍

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

He can't survive two bottom 4 finishes with this list unfortunately.

Whether you think our list or good or not, the club certainly thinks they are and have set clear targets around finals.

He hasn't met those KPIs by any stretch, and in a performance base industry, that means his job is at risk.

I wouldn't be against moving him into a footy manager role, which also negates the contract pay out issue.

He isn't getting moved sideways, we either but the bullet or stay the course. The club needs to weigh up the cost of keeping him in lost membership/gameday revenue vs payout figure.

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by Dr. Gonzo

6 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

He isn't getting moved sideways, we either but the bullet or stay the course. The club needs to weigh up the cost of keeping him in lost membership/gameday revenue vs payout figure.

Something that irks me and is seldom quantified or acknowledged is the waste of a year of the players. Some haven't much more of their careers left. Others are developing ( or poignantly are not ) . What value, what $ does anyone ascribe to this.

It's not just the cost of a payout as you rightly suggest. It's to be weighed against a whole basket of values.