5 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Our loss to North was bad, but it was also four months ago now.

We beat them two months ago.

The relevance of tonight's game is zero.

Point is Scott as a coach has reinvented himself to challenge albeit twice, highlights our much better run club they are with stability and a clear list mgt strategy, Goodwin isn’t 100% responsible but majority of were we are lays with him

To all the people that were keen for us to sack Goody and get in Clarkson a year or two ago - still feel the same?

15 minutes ago, DubDee said:

To all the people that were keen for us to sack Goody and get in Clarkson a year or two ago - still feel the same?

Not a Clarkson fan but are you ok with Goodwin back to back bottom 6 finishes? Currently 5 less wins than in 24!

Edited 13 hours ago13 hr by Demonsone

7 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Norm Smith curse. Won't be gone until the flag is won at the G.

Who made you the Norm Smith Curse - Terms of Reference compiler?

18 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Not a Clarkson fan but are you ok with Goodwin back to back bottom 6 finishes? Currently 5 less wins than in 24!

Hope Dub doesn’t mind me answering this question… OF COURSE he’s not happy with “back to back bottom six finishes.” Who on earth would be?’

But that doesn’t mean anyone who’s not Simon Goodwin is guaranteed to finish higher up the ladder.

26 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Not a Clarkson fan but are you ok with Goodwin back to back bottom 6 finishes? Currently 5 less wins than in 24!

So that’s a no?

Of course i’m not happy with the current situation. Just saying we need take time and find the right guy. Clarko and McQ have not gone well

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/its-time-for-melbourne-to-move-on-from-the-big-five-but-where-is-their-next-premiership-coming-from/news-story/a71b6b6a776d4d641667af987cbd8693

Great article in The Australian stating what we all know. Dees finished in the bottom 4 again, can't carry on with Viney, Oliver, gawn, Petracca and expect to contend again with these players at our core. Have to be bold trading out players, change or game plan etc etc

Its funny how doing the same thing and getting the same results is not the recipe for success

57 minutes ago, DubDee said:

So that’s a no?

Of course i’m not happy with the current situation. Just saying we need take time and find the right guy. Clarko and McQ have not gone well

I agree finding the right person but it stems deeper than just the coach .. footy dept, list mgt, using the cats as a benchmark we are way off, you don’t fluke playing finals 16 of the last 18 years. We need change to filter through the whole footy dept & list mgt strategy. Watching Cameron kick 11 goals albeit against a poor side and yet our best fwds are a 34 yo melksham & Pickett

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9 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

I agree finding the right person but it stems deeper than just the coach .. footy dept, list mgt, using the cats as a benchmark we are way off, you don’t fluke playing finals 16 of the last 18 years. We need change to filter through the whole footy dept & list mgt strategy. Watching Cameron kick 11 goals albeit against a poor side and yet our best fwds are a 34 yo melksham & Pickett

I’d love us to be as successful as the Cats too.

1 hour ago, Ghostwriter said:

Who made you the Norm Smith Curse - Terms of Reference compiler?

Just a gut feeling.

If the club doesn’t sack him on Monday after yet another garbage loss to a mediocre side in St Kilda, then I’m convinced the MFC board is having a lend and a laugh on all of our accounts.

How the sycophants on this forum defend Simon is completely incomprehensible and quite frankly the definition of insanity.

7 hours ago, Gibberish said:

I think this is the absolute least of changes that we need to make. If Goodwin is contracted to next year and we don't relieve him of his duties before hand then there needs to be other changes made in the football department. I did read someone remarking on the selection of Richo being a good friend of Pert. And someone else talking about how good our development was with McCartney. I do wonder if our recent downturn in performance stems from picking Pert over Jackson's preferred candidate of Mahoney. A bit revisionist I know but that's where I'm at.

In any case, I find it hard to believe that there's anyone in the football department and or selection committee that is challenging Goodwin (or anyone) on team selections. It seems to me that they are no longer rewarding sustained good form at Casey or poor form in the seniors. This is not an outlier and has been the case for a considerable time.

I don't dislike Goodwin, but I dislike what he represents for our club. He has managed the ultimate goal and a time of sustained success (albeit wanting from finals success) but all we seem to get is the same rhetoric to explain the same poor performances. We are lacking dynamics.

Goodwin is the face of the football department (and no doubt the most compensated), so in that regard I understand why he gets the most attention for our poor performances. Maybe he turns it around (and maybe the cow jumps over the moon) but I can't fathom it being with the same football department that has lead us to where are today.

I feel like week to week this has been my highest frustration with Goody and his cohorts. There seems to be next to no selection integrity and clear direction. It's not like he sends players to the VFL and rewards them after a body of good work, they go there for a week, maybe two, and they're back whether they've killed it or been poor. It's clear that Goody has his favourites that he refuses to move either out of the team or to different roles (strangely I have no idea how TMac ended outside of that list!), and as you say it doesn't feel like there are strong enough voices saying to him, "Goody, you have blinkers on."

I would be far more inclined to keep Goody FOR NOW, and set up a direction for succession. Simon may not like it (that's fine with me) but it puts him firmly in the cross-hairs.

I look at our assistant coaching lines and shake my head.

I also agree that I wonder how things would've tracked if we had gone with Jackson's pick for successor. I never felt great about Pert at the helm and it feels like he and Goody have been giving jobs for the boys.

25 minutes ago, Edward Langdon said:

If the club doesn’t sack him on Monday after yet another garbage loss to a mediocre side in St Kilda, then I’m convinced the MFC board is having a lend and a laugh on all of our accounts.

How the sycophants on this forum defend Simon is completely incomprehensible and quite frankly the definition of insanity.

I think you need to take a step back to see there are a lot that aren't advocating for his sacking but are also not defending him. I see him as someone who peaked at the premiership year and sat back on his achievements expecting it to continue because, "we are that good". He has failed to innovate, he's failed to develop, he's failed to draw quality players, and he's failed to manage the list to ensure we stayed up the top.

For these reasons I won't be upset if the club decide to move him on.

But here's where I'm at: who are we moving him on for? What is the plan?

My personal opinion is that he has his next year of his contract and he get his go around, I would be tempted to have it as a swan song with another coach set up in succession. The other thought is that we don't make that as a public announcement but we get high quality assistants in to be ready to step up if/when it's needed.

I fear that just going for the axe leaves us vulnerable to be in the exact position that the Bombers and Blues have been in for a while. Remember that the club's focus is on getting Caulfield over the line.

2 minutes ago, Pates said:

I think you need to take a step back to see there are a lot that aren't advocating for his sacking but are also not defending him. I see him as someone who peaked at the premiership year and sat back on his achievements expecting it to continue because, "we are that good". He has failed to innovate, he's failed to develop, he's failed to draw quality players, and he's failed to manage the list to ensure we stayed up the top.

For these reasons I won't be upset if the club decide to move him on.

But here's where I'm at: who are we moving him on for? What is the plan?

My personal opinion is that he has his next year of his contract and he get his go around, I would be tempted to have it as a swan song with another coach set up in succession. The other thought is that we don't make that as a public announcement but we get high quality assistants in to be ready to step up if/when it's needed.

I fear that just going for the axe leaves us vulnerable to be in the exact position that the Bombers and Blues have been in for a while. Remember that the club's focus is on getting Caulfield over the line.

agreed with all that. If he does stay then we effectively have to bring in his successor over the summer as an assistant.

Getting in a new Gm of footy has to be the absolute priority. Richos contract is up end of this year I think so hopefully we move him on and get someone that can drive the whole footy dept forward. To me this is almost more important that Goody.

Whoever the new GM is will organise the program, assistants and head coach. He’ll have next year to do an inflight review and then have a better idea on what to do end of next year.

Unfortunately all these changes, president, ceo etc will take time to settle and create some stability within the club.

3 hours ago, DubDee said:

To all the people that were keen for us to sack Goody and get in Clarkson a year or two ago - still feel the same?

If you were picking teams at school, you’d go Clarkson before Goody every time.

1 hour ago, Nietaphart said:

If you were picking teams at school, you’d go Clarkson before Goody every time.

What Goodwin had after the flag vs Clarko is chalk & cheese

4 hours ago, DubDee said:

So that’s a no?

Of course i’m not happy with the current situation. Just saying we need take time and find the right guy. Clarko and McQ have not gone well

Goodwin had a list that won a flag vs Clarko & Mcq who took over lists in rebuild, Goodwin has managed to drive us back into rebuild mode, an amazing achievement

7 hours ago, jnrmac said:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/its-time-for-melbourne-to-move-on-from-the-big-five-but-where-is-their-next-premiership-coming-from/news-story/a71b6b6a776d4d641667af987cbd8693

Great article in The Australian stating what we all know. Dees finished in the bottom 4 again, can't carry on with Viney, Oliver, gawn, Petracca and expect to contend again with these players at our core. Have to be bold trading out players, change or game plan etc etc

Its funny how doing the same thing and getting the same results is not the recipe for success

Quite frankly anyone with a modicum of intelligence will know this and more.

Unfortunately we all know a place totally devoid of intelligence.... MFC.

To those that crow.. ...oh you know Goody will still be there in 26 !! ( suck it up ) etc . We get that. Thats not the actual point in a fashion. It is whether for the greater good of the Club/list he ought to be there,not that he will be. Many of us disillusioned understand, only too well ( and forms part of the frustration) that the club is incapable of doing anything about it. Only goes to reinforce to many what a lame duck enterprise the place is.

All the things that should happen and most likely not a one will occur.

This is/has only ever been about what is best for our club.

It's not me you, you, you.. or any number of us lined up on one side of an argument trying to best those on the other. It's not Dees supporters trying to battle Dees supporters. It's trying to get the club to do something,if unpalatable to some,/them , to better our position and prospects.

We're declining. There can be no argument ( none that seriously observes facts ) that can show otherwise. Scoreboards and Ladders are brutal and unbiased.

So yes Goodwin will more than likely remain in 26. Sadly that's more a commentary of the sad state of this rudderless club than any endorsement of ability. Quite frankly there's no one to sack him.

Soft cap is a soft excuse. Geez were a soft club.

9 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Our loss to North was bad, but it was also four months ago now.

We beat them two months ago.

The relevance of tonight's game is zero.

Is it? Ok what about the relevance of last weeks game against Carlton?

9 hours ago, DubDee said:

To all the people that were keen for us to sack Goody and get in Clarkson a year or two ago - still feel the same?

Goodwin and Clarkson have different lists at different stages of their development. We also lost to the Cats by 100 points in 2016, was that because Roos/Goodwin were poor coaches?

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12 hours ago, Rossco said:

Goodwin will be at the club next year I believe that’s a given. So even if you aren’t happy about that fact sorry, but I think you better get used to it.

Reason I say this is the way the Soft Cap works in relation to Senior and assistant coaches. For 2025 the soft cap was set at 7.625 million. A club either spends it or loses it you can only carry forward a $100,000 into the following year.  Regardless of what you are paying senior and assistant coaches only 20% of their salaries are excluded from the soft cap.

So let’s assume Goodwin is on 1.2 million as a number probably something like that I would think after winning the flag. So sack him now pay out his contract and one million comes out of your 2026 soft cap. Doesn’t leave much to pay you new coach and unlike players you can’t back end the contract.

I suppose you could ask other members of the football department to take a pay cut, oops they have contracts, or sack a few and pay out more contracts.

Sorry guys but pretty sure he will be there till at least this time 2026. Unless of course he resigns.

I'm not buying that we can't let Goody go. The soft cap increases by $750k next year, so there's wiggle room at least.

However I think the more likely scenario is for there to be serious changes in the football department.

Interesting that you can't backend coaching contracts.

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by Gibberish

6 hours ago, Demonsone said:

6 hours ago, Demonsone said:

What Goodwin had after the flag vs Clarko is chalk & cheese

Goody has a brilliant list at his disposal. He didn’t get the most of what he had.

9 hours ago, Edward Langdon said:

If the club doesn’t sack him on Monday after yet another garbage loss to a mediocre side in St Kilda, then

Hi Damian! 😃

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Quite frankly anyone with a modicum of intelligence will know this and more.

Unfortunately we all know a place totally devoid of intelligence.... MFC.

To those that crow.. ...oh you know Goody will still be there in 26 !! ( suck it up ) etc . We get that. Thats not the actual point in a fashion. It is whether for the greater good of the Club/list he ought to be there,not that he will be. Many of us disillusioned understand, only too well ( and forms part of the frustration) that the club is incapable of doing anything about it. Only goes to reinforce to many what a lame duck enterprise the place is.

All the things that should happen and most likely not a one will occur.

This is/has only ever been about what is best for our club.

It's not me you, you, you.. or any number of us lined up on one side of an argument trying to best those on the other. It's not Dees supporters trying to battle Dees supporters. It's trying to get the club to do something,if unpalatable to some,/them , to better our position and prospects.

We're declining. There can be no argument ( none that seriously observes facts ) that can show otherwise. Scoreboards and Ladders are brutal and unbiased.

So yes Goodwin will more than likely remain in 26. Sadly that's more a commentary of the sad state of this rudderless club than any endorsement of ability. Quite frankly there's no one to sack him.

Soft cap is a soft excuse. Geez were a soft club.

Players and coaches come and go. We support the MFC. whatever we need to do to improve needs to be done.

If some sacred cows are sacrificed so be it

14 hours ago, Demonsone said:

That’s poor mgt by the club! Why was he extended in 22 deservedly so but again in 23, no need for it, should have been moved on in 24 & a clean out of footy dept with all the mismaned culture issues

This is the nub of the problem - the dysfunctional and self-serving management board.

It was clear that Goodwin had run his course before he was reappointed.

Part of the solution is to run an alternative ticket for the next board elections and really connect with the membership using the dissonance of this year as the momentum builder. We know there is massive dissonance because the membership numbers have fallen significantly and that fact can be expressed in significant dollars.

We also have to stop the board approving dysfunctional ‘boys’ club’ contracts. For example, why was JV extended so long when it is clear he has limited capacity as the game evolves?

Having said that I still favour asking the senior coach to leave (a few months ago :-)). Having him scamming us again with his weekly nonsensical commentary on our team’s failure in 2026 is going to be a step too far for even long-standing and loyal members such as myself.