17 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Remember at the time he'd had a few articles attacking his character a few weeks before. Felt like the admin just wanted to back him in and show strong support. Think they jumped at shadows. He still had a year to go on his contract.

5 hours ago, Smokey said:

Goody should go for sure, but I’m worried we’ll get a new coach and the fact our list just isn’t that good will be exposed

I want goody gone, but the sentiment here seems to be that we have this incredibly talented list and all we need is “new ideas”, “a fresh voice” etc

I think a new coach won’t improve things that much. We’ve built a list around a style of footy that died in 2022. There are glaring holes in our list (all over the park now, not just up forward) that coaching cannot solve

We’re in worse shape than many realise

Or.. we know our list ISN'T what some suppose and someone new needs to be involved with its betterment.

The stewardship and oversight needs to change or we keep on keeping on.

A new coach won't provide overnight success... but he'll change tacts and bring others on board both in assistance as well as a different brief for players.

If a new coach etc next season I wouldn't expect to see real change til 27. But we'd see something.

No change in coach.. same ol same ol

I agree we're in far worse shape than many are prepared to accept

Edited Monday at 04:422 days by beelzebub

43 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

It was always going to be hard to justify letting Simon go in 2023 after the flag.

However, one do wonders if it was a mistake to extend his contract 2 years no strings attached before we knew the outcome of the finals that year.

We are reaping the 'rewards' of that very mistake.

Quite frankly it was amateur hour at the Dees.

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

We are reaping the 'rewards' of that very mistake.

Quite frankly it was amateur hour at the Dees.

First thing we lost was Yze.

5 hours ago, Demonsone said:

I have been on the trading disaster since our flag, throw in Schache who was ahead as an emergency over Grundy in 23 finals, on Hunter retiring on 199 games very strange, more to that!

It was nice of the club and player to role with retired.

5 hours ago, Brownie said:

Really good post.

It's one big lesson you learn when you step into a management role.

You just can't be best friends with the staff. It just doesn't work.

The whole place smacks of standards not being high enough.

The commentary from Goody about goal kicking accuracy and that sometimes it's better not to practice it to take the pressure off is a prime example.

all high performance sportspeople get into a funk with form at times.

But, the whole place is smelling pretty funky right now.

I know our list isn't great, but it's not completely horrible. Our injury list is pretty light.

You can love each other at your workplace as much as you want but it wears very thin after a while when your processes and team skills are [censored], your workplace is chaotic and disfunctional, you keep getting belted and your customers (supporters) give up on you.

Tracc, Clarry and May as well have all had a spit, but I haven't seen them "knuckle down and be the change" that needs to happen to transform their workplace.

That's no letting Goody off the hook either. He has to drive them to be better.

Too many Ted Lasso fans in the joint?

EXACTLY CORRECT!

We have become irrelevant to the point that I skimmed thru the footy shoes fist crack, 360 & on the couch and couldn’t any discussions on us!

Edited Monday at 11:072 days by Demonsone

5 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

We have become irrelevant to the point that I skimmed thru the footy shoes fist crack, 360 & on the couch and couldn’t any discussions on us!

There was a cameo on couch, which basically confirmed what we all saw on Saturday in that the first quarter was embarrassing and was the worst performance of any team this year for an opening quarter.

Plenty of cameo's of senior leaders jogging to contests. pointing for handover... all the usual lazy stuff we have become used to seeing the last 2 years.

I'm pretty much convinced Oliver has parked himself in second gear and keeping himself fresh for the Cats next season. For somebody that was once the ultimate competitor has become lazy and complacent. We'd be lucky to get him off our books for free end-of-year. I was hoping for 1 or maybe 2 first rounders. That ship has long sailed. The longer we hang onto him the longer our rebuild will drag out. The only thing we can hope for is that we have other clubs interested that may be willing to throw us some picks. Essendon will be without Parish and Shiels so they could be a suitor. Saints are without much inside talent but probably need the cash for Milera. Heck i'd be willing to do a straight swap for JUH. Wouldnt be the worst deal for us.

41 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

There was a cameo on couch, which basically confirmed what we all saw on Saturday in that the first quarter was embarrassing and was the worst performance of any team this year for an opening quarter.

Plenty of cameo's of senior leaders jogging to contests. pointing for handover... all the usual lazy stuff we have become used to seeing the last 2 years.

I'm pretty much convinced Oliver has parked himself in second gear and keeping himself fresh for the Cats next season. For somebody that was once the ultimate competitor has become lazy and complacent. We'd be lucky to get him off our books for free end-of-year. I was hoping for 1 or maybe 2 first rounders. That ship has long sailed. The longer we hang onto him the longer our rebuild will drag out. The only thing we can hope for is that we have other clubs interested that may be willing to throw us some picks. Essendon will be without Parish and Shiels so they could be a suitor. Saints are without much inside talent but probably need the cash for Milera. Heck i'd be willing to do a straight swap for JUH. Wouldnt be the worst deal for us.

I missed it must have been short lol, need trade out Oliver free up cap space, Trac will get better he’s injuries were more than just physical. Whilst there our whole coaching footy dept needs a clean out inc Goodwin

Everyone on this thread please check your email inbox for a members survey asking for feedback on the club and season.

I haven't posted much on here lately because I haven't had anything positive to say, but I let rip with some deserved feedback in that survey.

7 hours ago, Hellfire Dub said:

Everyone on this thread please check your email inbox for a members survey asking for feedback on the club and season.

I haven't posted much on here lately because I haven't had anything positive to say, but I let rip with some deserved feedback in that survey.

I wonder what the proportions are on Demonland for Goodwin to go or stay. There is also a lot of posts about the membership falling away again, which appears to have an empirical basis.

Certainly home game attendances this year so far are down from 2023 (average 40,335 compared to 48,974) or around 17.6 per cent, although, interestingly, if you had have asked me for a rough off-the-top of the head estimate based on sitting each game in the Olympic stand this year I would have predicted the fall off was greater.

Demonland is a sort of echo chamber though and the threats to abandon memberships etc are hollow unless the Administration and the Board, who make the decisions actually fear there is a trend that has to be dealt with.

Perhaps those who have had enough and actually want to see the coach gone and a major shakeup should ensure that message is transmitted to the decision-makers.

Petition via Change.org or something like that would be the way, which would also get press coverage - in other words a grass roots uprising.

But, of course, like all activist campaigns, one has to be sure before one starts that the numbers are there. Otherwise, the end result tends to be the opposite of what was intended. It goes back to proportions and what people are willing to do to exercise change.

I have been reading a lot about the nouveau group in Japan in the 1960s (as an academic exercise) who wanted to overthrow the establishment and fracture the US domination of the constitutional machinery after the War. They splintered badly because despite opposing the establishment they adopted the habits of the same in their personal lives and propensities.

Edited Monday at 21:212 days by William

12 hours ago, GS_1905 said:

There was a cameo on couch, which basically confirmed what we all saw on Saturday in that the first quarter was embarrassing and was the worst performance of any team this year for an opening quarter.

Plenty of cameo's of senior leaders jogging to contests. pointing for handover... all the usual lazy stuff we have become used to seeing the last 2 years.

I'm pretty much convinced Oliver has parked himself in second gear and keeping himself fresh for the Cats next season. For somebody that was once the ultimate competitor has become lazy and complacent. We'd be lucky to get him off our books for free end-of-year. I was hoping for 1 or maybe 2 first rounders. That ship has long sailed. The longer we hang onto him the longer our rebuild will drag out. The only thing we can hope for is that we have other clubs interested that may be willing to throw us some picks. Essendon will be without Parish and Shiels so they could be a suitor. Saints are without much inside talent but probably need the cash for Milera. Heck i'd be willing to do a straight swap for JUH. Wouldnt be the worst deal for us.

U are kidding right?? You want to swap Clarry for a much more damaged Ugle Hagen, nar wont happen, according to an influencial mate down Geelong way cats are still highly interested in securing Clarries services!

A big 5 weeks for Simon.

We have the fourth easiest fixture between rounds 17 and rounds 20 and that includes the highly losable Adelaide game which inflates the difficulty.

Then in round 21 we have West Coast which is a non negotiable, albeit at Marvel.

What happens if we go 0-5 or 1-4?

The final 3 weeks are Dogs, Hawthorn and Pies, so it's hard to judge him purely on W/L during that final period.

Edited yesterday at 00:521 day by Bring-Back-Powell

The reality is, it is completely irrelevant who we play in the run home. He should be judged on our season.

Having finished bottom 6 last year, another bottom 6 finish SHOULD see him out the door. So whether we win 5,6,7,8 or 9 games, we will be bottom 6.

I am sick of the club accepting mediocrity - they could've sacked him after 2 straights exits, but they didn't. They could've sacked him last year, but told us there was a wide scale review, off field change etc etc...and with 8 weeks to go, we are on 5 wins.

11 hours ago, Hellfire Dub said:

I haven't posted much on here lately because I haven't had anything positive to say

Are you sure you’re on the right forum?

11 hours ago, Hellfire Dub said:

I haven't posted much on here lately because I haven't had anything positive to say,

Sigh. If only you weren’t alone in this.

I’m feeling pretty demoralised about our onfield output to be honest and it wouldn’t surprise if we lost all of our remaining games.

31 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Sigh. If only you weren’t alone in this.

If that was the norm, Demonland would collapse into the ground with very minimal traffic.
It's not bee a pleasant 24 months.

15 hours ago, Demonsone said:

We have become irrelevant to the point that I skimmed thru the footy shoes fist crack, 360 & on the couch and couldn’t any discussions on us!

The media is more interested in Carlton's woes than ours

1 hour ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

The reality is, it is completely irrelevant who we play in the run home. He should be judged on our season.

Having finished bottom 6 last year, another bottom 6 finish SHOULD see him out the door. So whether we win 5,6,7,8 or 9 games, we will be bottom 6.

I am sick of the club accepting mediocrity - they could've sacked him after 2 straights exits, but they didn't. They could've sacked him last year, but told us there was a wide scale review, off field change etc etc...and with 8 weeks to go, we are on 5 wins.

Strong words.

Sacking him after the straight sets losses would have been harsh.

5 minutes ago, Bowserpower said:

Strong words.

Sacking him after the straight sets losses would have been harsh.

Would have been the best thing to do.

Straight Sets on the Home Deck should be viewed as unacceptable.

We are now where we are….

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

We are reaping the 'rewards' of that very mistake.

Quite frankly it was amateur hour at the Dees.

First thing we lost was Yze.

11 minutes ago, Bowserpower said:

Strong words.

Sacking him after the straight sets losses would have been harsh.

That's true.

It's also true he didn't deserve, IMO, the 2 year extension before the 2023 finals.

Should've let his final contract year in 2024 run and then decide if you offer him a new contract.

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

U are kidding right?? You want to swap Clarry for a much more damaged Ugle Hagen, nar wont happen, according to an influencial mate down Geelong way cats are still highly interested in securing Clarries services!

Well if he goes to Geelong, do you think we are getting anything back? I doubt it. At least with JUH, we can reset his contract and at least have a chance of addressing some gaps in our forward line. Now its not like there is an offer on the table or anything, but at least we have a chance of getting something back that may help us.

21 minutes ago, Bowserpower said:

Strong words.

Sacking him after the straight sets losses would have been harsh.

Yes quite possibly. But you know its a big bad world out there. In many fields failure is NOT rewarded.

Our club absolutely blinked at the end of 23 !!

That he is still in charge come end of 25 with an even worsening record is testament to how gutless and I mean GUTLESS , nee self serving this club can be.

If ever an organisation should adopt a logo of cutting off one's nose it must surely be us.

It's often proffered that we aren't a serious club. Is it any wonder.

Sometimes it isn't better to choose the devil you know, sometimes you need to start anew.

Fool me once..

Twice...

Three times

Four for luck..

[censored].. how stupid are we ?

2 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

A big 5 weeks for Simon.

We have the fourth easiest fixture between rounds 17 and rounds 20 and that includes the highly losable Adelaide game which inflates the difficulty.

Then in round 21 we have West Coast which is a non negotiable, albeit at Marvel.

What happens if we go 0-5 or 1-4?

The final 3 weeks are Dogs, Hawthorn and Pies, so it's hard to judge him purely on W/L during that final period.

Aha, so its ok that in the finals 3 rounds we can't beat teams that will be playing finals. Very low bar that.