This may or may not be a shared metric.

I'm not particularly interested in a team who's aspirations are just to turn up and play. By association I'm not going to be impressed much by a football dept that turns out a team who are only there or abouts.

We play a very mediocre game of footy. Our football dept put out a very mediocre team. That's not to say there isn't talent nor that there aren't individuals of high ability.... but as a team soggy wheatbix seems more exciting on many gamedays.

There seems to be a big question about that wonders whether the game has gone past us. What worked briefly and shone no longer gels and is dull. All this goes to how we go about things and by the current litmus we are more and more found wanting. Can the powers that be find that shine, sycronicity, verve and cohesion that had us up and about ?

What do you accept as a pass ?? To be only participants or premiership contenders ?

The game by its nature is highly competitive. The idea is to win and by winning prevail at the big dance. In a very binary view if you're not winning, you're losing.

Do you want to be winners, or losers 🤔

Is Goodwin capable of getting us winning and triumphant ?

If the answer to that is no, then logically you need someone else.

It's not about is he OK as a coach. It's can he furbish success.

I'm not seeing how that's achieved. Too much of our game is faulty. That's not accidental, not merely happenstance, that's actually been 'achieved' by design.

We need better designs and more effective designers.

Players aren't particularly told to go out and make it up as you go along , though to a novice spectator you may be forgiven for that takeaway. No they are coached in style and method.

I'd rather see something different occur on game days, something delivered by a different coach.

That's why for me Simon's tenure needs to end, so we can essentially start over.

Go Dees

20 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Sure it’s a Golden Ticket, but we blew it Twice on our home Deck in consecutive years. That’s very bad, however you Dress it up. We choked….(Crash & Burn) Finish 6th….

No one expected Hawthorn to win the Flag in ‘08, least of all themselves, in reality Jeeelong Choked it. So it took the Hawks a few years to reload and get a 3peat

With the list we had accumulated in ‘21 we should have achieved a lot more, but our trading of Senior Players has been horrendous which is something Goodwin is partially involved in

Losing Burgess was a huge setback i admit, but i still think a fresh voice would have been beneficial after the ‘23 Season, sadly we will never know

The next 2 games are very interesting in terms of where we really are this year. Win them both with solid performances and Goodwin may claw his way back…

Exactly where I sit with this season @Sir Why You Little Next 2 games will tell us either way.

2 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Exactly where I sit with this season @Sir Why You Little Next 2 games will tell us either way.

Interstate followed by a serious opponent at home

Perfect scenario

34 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

And here lies the argument.

We’re not a top team, yet many on here think another coach would have us playing as a top team. Also I would argue that Collingwood and the Dogs play endeavour to play the same way every week regardless of personal.

We love an excuse at Melbourne.

That’s just so ridiculous on so many levels 🤨

39 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

And here lies the argument.

We’re not a top team, yet many on here think another coach would have us playing as a top team. Also I would argue that Collingwood and the Dogs play endeavour to play the same way every week regardless of personal.

We love an excuse at Melbourne.

A number of points to consider in and among all of that.

Yes we love an excuse.. 100%

Are we a top team ?? Well not currently for sure but are there the inherent attributes that might suppose we ought to be ???? I think there are. Are these organised in the best manner ? I think the only available answer is no.

Would another coach/dept have us more successful?? That's the $64 q

I always come back to the analogy of recipes, ingredients and chefs.

Different outcomes from same ingredients. If you then get still better ingredients.. an even better result.

21 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Sorry i honestly don’t understand the Top Paragraph.

We made Top 4 2 years in a row and blew it on the MCG, at that point in time Simon should have been thanked with a dignified send off and replaced by another voice.

Sadly Roffey and Pert thought differently and we are where we are…

@johndelosa Got anything to say yourself? Or you just lurk in the shadows

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

@johndelosa Got anything to say yourself? Or you just lurk in the shadows

I dont have to say anything, ( Or you just lurk in the shadows)
I can agree or disagree with anyone on here!
If you don't like it feel free to mute!

9 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

@johndelosa Got anything to say yourself? Or you just lurk in the shadows

Just another @Rhino Richards

13 minutes ago, john delosa said:

I dont have to say anything, ( Or you just lurk in the shadows)
I can agree or disagree with anyone on here!
If you don't like it feel free to mute!

Such power you have…

12 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Just another @Rhino Richards

Indeed. My first thought

Mr Delosa has only just begun his “thumbs down” campaign

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Indeed. My first thought

Mr Delosa has only just begun his “thumbs down” campaign

Perhaps thinking was your first mistake!
Again,you and Dazzle both have a mute!

4 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

@johndelosa Got anything to say yourself? Or you just lurk in the shadows

Borderline narcissistic to thumbs down or vomit every comment without ever actually providing any counter arguments

1 hour ago, john delosa said:

  5 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Indeed. My first thought

It speaks….

Bit more of a substantial test this weekend against 3 BOG ordinary sides, where we still managed to play awful football for the most part. Lets see how we/he goes.

19 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Bit more of a substantial test this weekend against 3 BOG ordinary sides, where we still managed to play awful football for the most part. Lets see how we/he goes.

It’s not happening this year mate. Move on.

35 minutes ago, Disco InTurno said:

It’s not happening this year mate. Move on.

I know that, as I've said before

1 hour ago, SFebes said:

Bit more of a substantial test this weekend against 3 BOG ordinary sides, where we still managed to play awful football for the most part. Lets see how we/he goes.

Bog ordinary? Freo beat the Dogs and the Crows so are not on the Tigers/WC level

And obviously we are not playing awful football, we are starting to build. We are not a great team and will probably not beat the hawks but let’s not speak nonsense

1 hour ago, SFebes said:

I know that, as I've said before

What's your derision going to be when we roll the hawks?

On 30/04/2025 at 13:42, beelzebub said:

This may or may not be a shared metric.

I'm not particularly interested in a team who's aspirations are just to turn up and play. By association I'm not going to be impressed much by a football dept that turns out a team who are only there or abouts.

We play a very mediocre game of footy. Our football dept put out a very mediocre team. That's not to say there isn't talent nor that there aren't individuals of high ability.... but as a team soggy wheatbix seems more exciting on many gamedays.

There seems to be a big question about that wonders whether the game has gone past us. What worked briefly and shone no longer gels and is dull. All this goes to how we go about things and by the current litmus we are more and more found wanting. Can the powers that be find that shine, sycronicity, verve and cohesion that had us up and about ?

What do you accept as a pass ?? To be only participants or premiership contenders ?

The game by its nature is highly competitive. The idea is to win and by winning prevail at the big dance. In a very binary view if you're not winning, you're losing.

Do you want to be winners, or losers 🤔

Is Goodwin capable of getting us winning and triumphant ?

If the answer to that is no, then logically you need someone else.

It's not about is he OK as a coach. It's can he furbish success.

I'm not seeing how that's achieved. Too much of our game is faulty. That's not accidental, not merely happenstance, that's actually been 'achieved' by design.

We need better designs and more effective designers.

Players aren't particularly told to go out and make it up as you go along , though to a novice spectator you may be forgiven for that takeaway. No they are coached in style and method.

I'd rather see something different occur on game days, something delivered by a different coach.

That's why for me Simon's tenure needs to end, so we can essentially start over.

Go Dees

Yep times up!

On 09/05/2025 at 15:32, Roost it far said:

What's your derision going to be when we roll the hawks?

Aged well..... just sayin'

Do you at least accept the derision is somewhat justified ? Just askin'

For those that still resist the notion that a change of coach can reap major change.....

My lord, I enter into evidence Exhibit A 'Gold Coast Suns'

Edited May 13May 13 by beelzebub

A loss to the Hawks with 7 of their best 23 players out, all of whom would absolutely be in their side if a final was played tomorrow.

Another last quarter fade out.

Continued inept inaccuracy on the most perfect day of footy.

The same old deficiencies rearing their head on our biggest test of the year to date.

He's simply out of form as a coach and has been for a long period of time.

7 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

For those that still resist the notion that a change of coach can reap major change.....

My lord, I enter into evidence Exhibit A 'Gold Coast Suns'

okay but where are we going to get a 3 time premiership coach from?

10 minutes ago, biggestred said:

okay but where are we going to get a 3 time premiership coach from?

That's a fair question.

I can only suggest we look for someone with a different outlook on a "game" and who has the ability to deliver.

4 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

He's simply out of form as a coach and has been for a long period of time.

Can the current team and coaching strategy prepare us for another premiership? Answer: No chance.

Whether the senior coach was instrumental in the final success of 2021 is moot. A plausible narrative is that he inherited a legacy from Paul Roos and a lot of maturing first-round picks and we won that flag despite the coach.

But the reality is whatever the causality was then, the trajectory has been downhill since notwithstanding the two residual final appearances that followed. Last year we finished 5th last, less wins than losses and a percentage below 100.

This year we have deteriorated further and are a long way from the performance I see in the top teams at present.

I hear that it ‘takes time for the new plan to bed in’ story line. How long? They have had months to ‘bed it in’. Are the players that unskilled and lacking in nous that they cannot change their playing strategy after months?

What I see each week from the stands is a team that lacks essential skills - kicking is often poor, marking terrible in some key situations (like JVR - our alleged key forward), missed tackles, lacking pace, etc.

I see habitual mistakes in selection - last week was classic - the forward line was an embarrassment. Why did they think selecting JVR and MJ and BF and CS would kick a winning score is beyond me. None of those players are, in my view, currently up to AFL standard, yet the senior coach keeps giving them opportunities.

I am also worried that the new younger players that definitely have talent will be undermined by the coaching staff in the same way that those who have gone before them have - for example, some here think that JVR is a star with massive potential. I don’t. But whatever is the fact, he is unselectable now and cannot exhibit basic skills required to play the game (like holding a mark once in a while). So even if the conjecture that is did have massive potential is valid, he is now a total liability and that must be down to the way he has been coached either in technical and/or psychological terms.

So all that says to me, that it is time to rethink the football strategy - clear out the coaching ranks, delist some of the players that will not be part of the next premiership and be patient while the newcomers mature and take us up the ladder.