2024 Phantom Drafts

[DubDee 26,299]

I would love Kako to not receive a bid before our pick 9

That would mean they didn’t need to trade away pick 9

hilarious

[Nascent 9,320]

1 minute ago, DubDee said:

I would love Kako to not receive a bid before our pick 9

That would mean they didn’t need to trade away pick 9

hilarious

Kinda like pies trading away pick 2 in anticipation of an early Daicos bid. They could have had Callaghan as well as Daicos.

[BC_1718_DC 1,584]

2 minutes ago, DubDee said:

I would love Kako to not receive a bid before our pick 9

That would mean they didn’t need to trade away pick 9

hilarious

The thought of that is a team would’ve bid on Kako if Essendon kept pick 9 but now because they traded it, teams don’t see the need. That’s the funny buggers teams usually play. Luckily this time it went to our advantage. We did have genuine interest in him though, it was just scuppered when they opened up the nga rules halfway through the season 🙄

[Whispering_Jack 31,131]

A nice pictorial of Cal’s late mail Phantom Draft ~

[BC_1718_DC 1,584]

5 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Kinda like pies trading away pick 2 in anticipation of an early Daicos bid. They could have had Callaghan as well as Daicos.

This sounds good but it’s not reality. A bid would’ve come for Daicos if Collingwood had kept their pick. Just like if Brisbane had an early pick tonight someone would’ve bid on Ashcroft earlier to make them pay up. 

Sounds funny and all, but once those picks get traded in anticipation of matching with later picks, teams aren’t as fussed to bid. 

[DubDee 26,299]

8 minutes ago, 12345_54321 said:

The thought of that is a team would’ve bid on Kako if Essendon kept pick 9 but now because they traded it, teams don’t see the need. That’s the funny buggers teams usually play. Luckily this time it went to our advantage. We did have genuine interest in him though, it was just scuppered when they opened up the nga rules halfway through the season 🙄

You could be right but Cal T had him at 14 on his form guide

If not NGA involved, I'm not sure Kako would go top 10

So I will laugh at the bombers  ;-)

[Dr. Mubutu 866]

21 minutes ago, DubDee said:

I would love Kako to not receive a bid before our pick 9

That would mean they didn’t need to trade away pick 9

hilarious

Long-term, it means they don't weaken their draft hand for next year, but rather enhance it.
Kako is essentially a first round pick this year, however if he wasn't bid on before pick 9, they'd only have 31 and 54, therefore taking their first pick next year into deficit.
This way, they still get three first-round picks, albeit a slightly lesser one this year, plus a couple of picks in the 40's this year, as opposed to 2 picks in the 70's.

It makes some sense, but next year you can trade out 2 years in the future. If MFC keep trading out future firsts, there's literally no downside for us.

So while looking at it like this it seems a 'win-win', I'd much prefer to be in our position.

 

Edit: Don't get me wrong, @DubDee, I'll also be laughing at Essendon

Edited November 20, 2024 by Dr. Mubutu

[DubDee 26,299]

5 minutes ago, Dr. Mubutu said:

Long-term, it means they don't weaken their draft hand for next year, but rather enhance it.
Kako is essentially a first round pick this year, however if he wasn't bid on before pick 9, they'd only have 31 and 54, therefore taking their first pick next year into deficit.
This way, they still get three first-round picks, albeit a slightly lesser one this year, plus a couple of picks in the 40's this year, as opposed to 2 picks in the 70's.

It makes some sense, but next year you can trade out 2 years in the future. If MFC keep trading out future firsts, there's literally no downside for us.

So while looking at it like this it seems a 'win-win', I'd much prefer to be in our position.

I get all that, but the value of pick 9 in this draft is a lot to give away

I'm with this guy:

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/11/20/absolutely-staggering-has-essendon-cost-themselves-a-star-player

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

Late bolter for pick 67 is Blangus Blayshaw, in case the AFL medical people ask, absolutely no relation to Gus.

[layzie 34,326]

Happy Draft day. Not long now 

[old55 23,833]

1 hour ago, binman said:

One phantom draft with two updates is three phantom drafts by my reckoning.

Tomato, Tomatoe.

And I didn't say twomey wasn't accurate - well at least in terms of the top 10.

But if he is correct the hundred other phantom drafts with different selections are, by definition, wrong.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1066251

[Nascent 9,320]

38 minutes ago, 12345_54321 said:

This sounds good but it’s not reality. A bid would’ve come for Daicos if Collingwood had kept their pick. Just like if Brisbane had an early pick tonight someone would’ve bid on Ashcroft earlier to make them pay up. 

Sounds funny and all, but once those picks get traded in anticipation of matching with later picks, teams aren’t as fussed to bid. 

Dude, I'm making fun of Collingwood. You don't need to ruin it with facts 

[fr_ap 2,541]

Put me firmly in the camp that says Lindsay will struggle at AFL level. 

His kicking is only good in space, and despite being touted in/out he's anything but - his contest work is poor and he's unnatural in contested situations. 

Wouldn't touch with pick 20 let alone 9. 

Might make an ok half back but never a mid. 

Edited November 20, 2024 by fr_ap

[BW511 2,724]

12 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

Put me firmly in the camp that says Lindsay will struggle at AFL level. 

His kicking is only good in space, and despite being touted in/out he's anything but - his contest work is poor and he's unnatural in contested situations. 

Wouldn't touch with pick 20 let alone 9. 

Might make an ok half back but never a mid. 

I agree, his highlights don’t suggest he can do great work in close unless he’s got room to move.

When he has space, his kicking is beautiful. That won’t happen as often at AFL level

[spirit of norm smith 16,615]

On 19/11/2024 at 13:39, spirit of norm smith said:

It’s a nervous time for young players, parents and families&friends.  Good luck to all. It’s exciting and tense, and some may be disappointed.  
All are “Best guesses” with a strong top Round 1 group and a deep pool of talent this year.  It’s a unique year imv.  
I have the Dees holding at picks 5 & 9.  There’s likely to be some pick swaps throughout but the first round predictions with picks “as is” are: 

1. Richmond. Sam Lalor. GWV
2.****Lions father son. Levi Ashcroft. Sandringham 
3. North Melbourne. Alix Tauru. Gippsland 
4. Carlton (via West Coast). Finn O’Sullivan . Oakleigh
5. Adelaide. Sid Draper. SA Sth Adelaide
6. Melbourne . Harvey Langford. Dandenong. 
7. Richmond (via Gold Coast). Jagga Smith. Oakleigh.  
8. ****Suns academy. Leonardo Lombard
9. St Kilda. Josh Smillie. Eastern
10. St Kilda (via Josh Battle compensation pick). Tobie Travaglia. Bendigo 
11. Melbourne (via Essendon).Bo Allan. WA Peel
12. Richmond (via Fremantle) Xavier Lindsay. Gippsland 
13.Richmond (via Fremantle, Collingwood) Jobe Shanahan. Bendigo
14. **** Ess NGA. Isaac Kako. Calder
15. West Coast (via Carlton) Taj Hotton. Sandringham   
16.  Port Adelaide (via Gold Coast, Western Bulldogs). Harry Armstrong . Sandringham  
17. Fremantle (via Richmond, Hawthorn, Carlton). Joe Berry. Murray  
18. Greater Western Sydney. Cooper Hynes . Dandenong
19. Greater Western Sydney (via Harry Perryman compensation pick). Murphy Reid. Sandringham 
20. Western Bulldogs (via Geelong). Ollie Hannaford. GWV
21. **** Lions academy. Sam Marshall 
22. Richmond (via Fremantle, Port Adelaide). Jack Whitlock. Murray .
23.****Blues father son. Ben Camporeale. SA. 
24. Sydney. Luke Trainor. Sandringham 
25. Richmond (via Brisbane). Alex Dodson. SA Sturt
26. Greater Western Sydney (via Isaac Cumming compensation pick). Hamish Davis. WA Claremont
27. Sydney (via North Melbourne). Matt Whitlock. Murray 
28. Richmond (via Gold Coast, North Melbourne). Harrison Oliver. Sandringham 

predicting the longest first round ever!!

Some likely 2nd rounders: 

Tom Gross - Oakleigh. 
Christian Moraes - Eastern.  
Kayle Gerryn - WA West Perth.  
Thomas Sims - Northern.
Jonty Faull - GWV.  
Jesse Dattoli - Northern.  
Harry O'Farrell - Calder.
Lachie Jacques - Geelong. 
Jack Ough - GWV.
Angus Clarke - SA Glenelg.
Jasper Alger. Oakleigh
Josh Murphy - Murray.  
*** GWS Academy - Logan Smith
Charlie Nicholls - Central District SA.  
*** Crows. Tyler Welsh SA WWT eagles.  
James Barrat - Bendigo.  
*** Sydney academy. Joel Cochran. 
Tate Delmenico SA WWT eagles.
Archer Day-Wicks - Bendigo.

Likely 3rd rounders: 
Clancy Dennis - WA  Claremont
Noah Mraz - Dandenong. 
*** Crows father son . Luke Camporeale. Glenelg 
Sam Davidson. RICHMOND VFL 
Nathaniel Sulzberger - Sandringham/  Tassie.
Hugh Boxshall. WA Claremont
Zane Cochrane - Oakleigh.  
*** Stk NGA. Adrian Cole.  Sandringham. 
Dom Brew. Werribee VFL
Riley Bice Werribee VFL.
***Port father son Louis Montgomery. SA Nth Adel.  
Ned Bowman. Norwood SA
Xavier Ivisic Geelong  
 *** West Coast NGA Malakai Champion.  WA  Subiaco.
Josh Dolan. Sandringham 
Floyd Burmeister. GWV 
Will Hayes. WA Claremont.  

after this it’s seeing who might have draft picks available, or will pickup rookie opportunities or SSP train on spots. As with every year, there will be some very talented young footy players will miss out on getting on an AFL senior or rookie list.  

Potential for 4th round or more likely rookies:  

Charlie West SA WWT Eagles
Phoenix Hargrave.  SA Sth Adel
Oliver Warburton. Murray.
Jack Henderson. Werribee VFL.
Luke Kennedy . Sandringham.  
Patrick Retschko. Oakleigh 
Oliver Depaoli-Kubank. Tassie
Lucca Grego. Western. 
Kade Herbert. SA WWT eagles.
*** Port Adel NGA. Benny Barrett.Sth Adel. SA 
Cody Angove. WA Claremont 
Zak Johnson. Northern.
Jaxon Artemis- WA Sth Frem
*** GWS academy. Cooper Bell.
Nash King. Calder.
Bailey McKenzie. Sandringham  
Aiden Riddle - WA. Claremont
** Dees. NGA Riak Andrew Dandenong 
Luke Urquhart. WA  East Frem
Damon Hollow. Calder
*** Saints NGA. Lennox Hoffman. Sandringham.
Rhys Unwin. GWV. 
Jett Hasting. SA WWT eagles. 
Mitch Kirkwood-Scott. Sandringham 
Blake Leidler. Oakleigh.  
Keighton Matofai-Forbes. Western.  
Harry Charlson. GWV
** GWS academy. Josaia Delana
** Haw NGA . Cody Anderson. Eastern.  
** Ess NGA Jayden Nguyen Calder .
** Stk father son. Elwood Peckett
** Dees Father son Noah Yze. Oakleigh.  
**Dees NGA Ricky Mentha Gippsland 

 

 

Thought these youngsters were good enough to get drafted tonight.
Tate Delmenico SA WWT eagles.
Archer Day-Wicks - Bendigo.
Clancy Dennis - WA  Claremont
Nathaniel Sulzberger - Sandringham/  Tassie.
Zane Cochrane - Oakleigh.  
Stk NGA. Adrian Cole.  Sandringham. 

also honestly thought Brew and Henderson showed enough all year and in the VFL GF to earn a spot !!! 
Dom Brew. Werribee VFL
Riley Bice Werribee VFL.

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[Supreme_Demon 3,916]

3 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

 

 

Thought these youngsters were good enough to get drafted tonight.
Tate Delmenico SA WWT eagles.
Archer Day-Wicks - Bendigo.
Clancy Dennis - WA  Claremont
Nathaniel Sulzberger - Sandringham/  Tassie.
Zane Cochrane - Oakleigh.  
Stk NGA. Adrian Cole.  Sandringham. 

also honestly thought Brew and Henderson showed enough all year and in the VFL GF to earn a spot !!! 
Dom Brew. Werribee VFL
Riley Bice Werribee VFL.

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Riley Bice got picked by Sydney

I am guessing a few of the others will get picked up in the rookie draft tomorrow if they are lucky enough?

[spirit of norm smith 16,615]

14 hours ago, Supreme_Demon said:

Riley Bice got picked by Sydney

I am guessing a few of the others will get picked up in the rookie draft tomorrow if they are lucky enough?

Thanks SD. yes missed that one.  He looked very good and will be very handy for the Swans 😭

[adonski 12,903]

Didn't know where to post this, but always interesting to get some more behind the scenes footage of draft discussion, this time from the Giants.

A very interesting tid bit towards the end, when Adrian Caruso was asked what they'd do if Berry, Lindsay, Whitlock (not sure which one) & Hotton slide, Caruso suggested the Giants would still select Cody Angrove (their pick 24) ahead of them.

https://www.gwsgiants.com.au/video/1696834/inside-the-draft-night-one-strategy-meeting?videoId=1696834&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1732408728001

[DeeSpencer 26,266]

2 hours ago, adonski said:

Didn't know where to post this, but always interesting to get some more behind the scenes footage of draft discussion, this time from the Giants.

A very interesting tid bit towards the end, when Adrian Caruso was asked what they'd do if Berry, Lindsay, Whitlock (not sure which one) & Hotton slide, Caruso suggested the Giants would still select Cody Angrove (their pick 24) ahead of them.

https://www.gwsgiants.com.au/video/1696834/inside-the-draft-night-one-strategy-meeting?videoId=1696834&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1732408728001

I love Caruso. He can be our list manager, JT can stay as our recruiting boss, Lamby we'll use elsewhere. They sure loved Hannaford and they clearly saw Angove as a need, chasing that speedy wingman.

[adonski 12,903]

13 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I love Caruso. He can be our list manager, JT can stay as our recruiting boss, Lamby we'll use elsewhere. They sure loved Hannaford and they clearly saw Angove as a need, chasing that speedy wingman.

Caruso too much ego to have faith in