Oliver Trade Rumours

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,293]

What I simply don't understand is why Geelong? Up there with the least likely to be able to facilitate a fair trade.

If we really want him gone shouldn't we be dealing with a club that could actually make it happen.

Bizarre really.

[FreedFromDesire 758]

1 hour ago, pitmaster said:

Leaking does not always happen as a matter of dysfunction. It is also done strategically. 

For a clue, always ask who stands to gain from this?

Further, who knows the details, in this case the meeting place?

Answers below:

Geelong FC and Geelong FC

That is true, it definitely can be strategic in nature at times.

Can you explain exactly how Geelong gain from leaking this information though? It doesn't strengthen their pitch, in fact it would do quite the opposite - Oliver would feel used knowing they have leaked a confidential meeting. It does no favours to them in their trade relationship with Melbourne. I'm not sure exactly what the benefit would be for them?

In terms of the meeting place - Oliver knows the details. Presumably he would have spoken to his management, family, friends, who knows who else? Plenty of people outside the Geelong Football Club would have heard about it.

[Mach5 4,746]

4 minutes ago, Hellaintabadplacetobe said:

What I simply don't understand is why Geelong? Up there with the least likely to be able to facilitate a fair trade.

If we really want him gone shouldn't we be dealing with a club that could actually make it happen.

Bizarre really.

Because Mackie is happy to waste everyone’s time, thinks he’s smarter than everyone else & thinks he can secure himself a bargain. The new Dodoro.

[DeeZee 7,356]

9 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

Ah yeah, nothing like a good old straw man to really prove a point. 
 

Well done, a resounding showing of critical thinking. 

Incorrect sir,  no straw man here, my comments have complete relevance to the argument.

Oliver's own mother refuted the claims .

This a forum discussion not a published article.

Well done to you for clever derogatory tone as well, very intelligent indeed.

[Cosmic Baby 31]

1 hour ago, DeeZee said:

I hope the club makes a complaint to the AFL and threatens to sue the Age for this rubbish , enough is enough.

I think it's passed that point honestly.  

The Age have defaced the Melbourne Demons brand by running this disgusting smear campaign re: Oliver. Hopefully our legal team sends them an invoice for cost of all this slander. It's disgraceful. 

[layzie 33,345]

This club couldn't control the narrative in a chook raffle right now.. 

[BLWNBA 789]

12 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Incorrect sir,  no straw man here, my comments have complete relevance to the argument.

Oliver's own mother refuted the claims .

This a forum discussion not a published article.

Well done to you for clever derogatory tone as well, very intelligent indeed.

What are you genuinely talking about? 
 

You’ve gone from stating that the ‘club’ should bring a legal claim against The Age, for ‘lies’, proceeding to ask for a ‘quote’, and now your stating that ‘this is a forum discussion not a published article’, yet your first point is directed at an article published by The Age. 
 

Honestly, it’s beyond nonsensical. 

[DeeZee 7,356]

6 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

What are you genuinely talking about? 
 

You’ve gone from stating that the ‘club’ should bring a legal claim against The Age, for ‘lies’, proceeding to ask for a ‘quote’, and now your stating that ‘this is a forum discussion not a published article’, yet your first point is directed at an article published by The Age. 
 

Honestly, it’s beyond nonsensical. 

Who’s the straw man now?

You are the archetypal Holier than though poster and not worth another thought.

Edited 2 hours ago by DeeZee

[titan_uranus 24,926]

If there’s any truth to the rumour that he’s open to a pay cut if it facilitates a trade, that can only mean one of two things:

1. His manager has to have a long talk to him about why that’s insane. He deserves, and needs, every dollar we’ve promised him. He is not someone who should be reckless with his earnings right now. 

2. Geelong is offering to make him a Cotton On ambassador or some other dodgy [censored]. 

[Docs Demons 1,755]

1 hour ago, Oxdee said:

I’ll say it again. At this stage a trade is more likely than not. 

The supporters on this forum have their heads in the sand. 

Oliver doesn’t want to play for Melbourne and is trying to find any chance to leave. Even take a pay cut. 
 

I trust if he stays and has a great 25 season you either apologize for this incorrect statement or get the F out of this site. From your statement it sounds like you are his manager and knows it all.

[layzie 33,345]

A lot of non-sensical jabbering going on

[spirit of norm smith 15,558]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/oliver-would-take-a-pay-cut-to-make-his-cats-dream-a-reality-20241010-p5khg2.html
McClure is a piece of 💩💩💩💩💩

[BLWNBA 789]

8 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Who’s the straw man now?

You are the archetypal Holier than though poster and not worth another thought.

Asking for clarification on your own contention, using your words, is a straw man? 
 

Okay. 

[pitmaster 3,483]

43 minutes ago, FreedFromDesire said:

That is true, it definitely can be strategic in nature at times.

Can you explain exactly how Geelong gain from leaking this information though? It doesn't strengthen their pitch (1), in fact it would do quite the opposite - Oliver would feel used knowing they have leaked a confidential meeting (2). It does no favours to them in their trade relationship with Melbourne. I'm not sure exactly what the benefit would be for them?

In terms of the meeting place - Oliver knows the details. Presumably he would have spoken to his management, family, friends, who knows who else? Plenty of people outside the Geelong Football Club would have heard about it(3).

1. But it weakens Melbourne's position.

2: Oliver does not need to know.

3: True, but that the meeting was on was known well before it took place. It was actually announced in the morning prior.

I can't say for sure it was Geelong's doing, but it is entirely plausible because they stood to benefit.

[Oxdee 298]

58 minutes ago, Hellaintabadplacetobe said:

What I simply don't understand is why Geelong? Up there with the least likely to be able to facilitate a fair trade.

If we really want him gone shouldn't we be dealing with a club that could actually make it happen.

Bizarre really.

I also find this strange. There are 9 other Melbourne clubs. We would the dees not have shopped him around? 

[layzie 33,345]

1 hour ago, DeeZee said:

I know there’s no law for publishing lies but there should be.

Of course we have no grounds, but it sucks that they they can say whatever untruths they like with zero consequences Dazzle.

It's a bit like the Queensryche song The Needle Lies:

"Don't, don't you trust, don't ever trust the needle, it lies!"

What a song. What an album for that matter.  

[Bowserpower 115]

7 hours ago, Flowergirl said:

So it's alright for you to not adjust your behaviour because "it's just in your nature" but she has to suck it up and adjust her own nature to stay on a forum? That's such a double standard.

 

Bullying is bullying. 

Pretty sure it was suggested that they keep being themself.

[Bowserpower 115]

4 hours ago, Flowergirl said:

Because it sounds like no-one did actually get blind drunk and abuse players. WCW, who was there and was liaising with players refuted that in her post. I think the reactions to that contributed to why she's now left the forum 

Read the original post again, the conversation had with OIiver was a drunk one.

You mentioned before that it's not up to one person to decide what bullying is, it's also not up to one person to decide what harassment is and you have no idea if Clayton was ok with that conversation or not.

[von 1,507]

4 hours ago, mo64 said:

What are you talking about? 

Footy

[von 1,507]

4 hours ago, praha said:

Absolutely nothing about this makes sense and I'm happy people on Twitter are starting to notice, too.

 

1. Oliver is happy and ready to go for 2025 in red and blue.

2. Overnight, he is shopped around, and suddenly ends up on a farm on the outskirts of Geelong. Okay?

3. He suddenly wants to get to Geelong. After one meeting on a farm. No tour of facilities. No chat to the coach. Nothing.

4. Now he is willing to take a pay cut. Two sources - one from Geelong and one from his management group - say this on condition of anonymity. 

You're telling me this guy wants to leave a $1.5 million a year contract on the table, to take a paycut to play for Geelong? Overnight? Suddenly willing to take a paycut?

Either this is absolute lunacy and just a made up story, or Geelong is pulling serious shifties.

Largely made up

[Willmoy1947 4,003]

58 minutes ago, Docs Demons said:

I trust if he stays and has a great 25 season you either apologize for this incorrect statement or get the F out of this site. From your statement it sounds like you are his manager and knows it all.

Oxdee has his mates on this site. Look who talks to eachother.