All this reminds me when we off-loaded Gazza (Paul Gascoigne) half way through a season that would have been a record breaking 10 league titles in a row, mainly due to his drinking problems and constant erratic behaviour. Middlesbrough offered us £3 million quid for him which we couldn’t say no to. Incredible talent though so I get why our club are in such a bind about what we should do.  

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

From Melbourne  ? 

I think he was insinuating JUH in the doghouse 

2 minutes ago, Age said:

Knowing our club, we will get rid of Oliver but bring in JUH!!

SOLD!

53 minutes ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

So why would we expect 2025 to improve his value if he hasn’t changed his ways or lived up to what he said he’d do? More likely that next year just tanks his value more - club seems to be thinking it’s time to cut losses and move on

Because, from the reports, the transgressions this year aren't to the same level as last. Are they isolated? Clearly not. But if he can have even the semblance of an uninterrupted pre-season, and get back to 80-85% of the player he was, you'll get much more for him than we will.

The questions is whether it's worth it to stick with him for another 12 months. I think it is, others don't. That's fine. But if we trade him out without a quality replacement in the midfield, we might as well start the rebuild now.

2 minutes ago, adonski said:

There was a rumour on Dogs bigfooty (I know) the dogs were fielding offers for JUH

Don't you just love this time of the year. 

16 minutes ago, WiseDeeMan said:

Wanting Oliver to stay because otherwise he will do well at Geelong, is like staying with your wife only because you don't want her to sleep with someone else!

If he's as big of a problem as it seems - move him on. I think this is beyond reasonable doubt. 

Our midfield is one dimensional currently, and the game has gone past pure in and under grunt players. 

Hit the draft with a few top 10s this year and next, bring in skill, speed, and high quality characters.  We will be better for it and forget what he does after he has left. 

I also feel many need to step away from the image of the player he was, especially in our flag year and have a good long look at the player today.

If he goes, and it is looking more and more like it by the hour, then any negotiation is done upon the now, not then. 

I wish Oliver no ill will but purely want whats best for us.  Doesn’t look like he'll be hard done by should he move on.

In the end only one person is responsible for where this sits now.  A lot of others need a good looking at for their 'imputs'  but ultimately this is all yours Clarry.

2 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Because, from the reports, the transgressions this year aren't to the same level as last. Are they isolated? Clearly not. But if he can have even the semblance of an uninterrupted pre-season, and get back to 80-85% of the player he was, you'll get much more for him than we will.

The questions is whether it's worth it to stick with him for another 12 months. I think it is, others don't. That's fine. But if we trade him out without a quality replacement in the midfield, we might as well start the rebuild now.

The concern is if the reports are true that he's veering off the rails again in the past few weeks then he might very well repeat the off-season of last year.

2 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Because, from the reports, the transgressions this year aren't to the same level as last. Are they isolated? Clearly not. But if he can have even the semblance of an uninterrupted pre-season, and get back to 80-85% of the player he was, you'll get much more for him than we will.

The questions is whether it's worth it to stick with him for another 12 months. I think it is, others don't. That's fine. But if we trade him out without a quality replacement in the midfield, we might as well start the rebuild now.

Yep... posted before...  Start rebuilding 

Roses only bloom when pruned, quite fervently. 

 

7 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

I think he was insinuating JUH in the doghouse 

Cheers... just checking.... we are talking the Dees !! 

 

1 hour ago, The Jackson FIX said:

I feel like I’m lecturing a bunch of 6 year olds so I’m going to stop now.

 

Please do.

Supporters don't need to be lectured on how to feel or act during a devastating time like this. We thought PJ and Roos had righted the ship and now we are back to a basket case

42 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Summary:

• Talks at Melbourne on Thursday involving CEO Gary Pert, football boss Alan Richardson, coach Simon Goodwin, and list chief Tim Lamb could decide Oliver's future.
• Melbourne is considering whether it's best to trade Oliver as part of a cultural and salary cap reset.
• A trade to Geelong would be challenging as their top pick (15th) is already committed to Western Bulldogs in the Smith deal.
• Melbourne might target a Geelong player, but key forward Shannon Neale is unlikely to be included after recently breaking into the senior side.
• Adelaide, who showed interest last year, is not in the mix this year.
• As recently as this week, Melbourne had planned to keep Oliver, but he's now considering a move to Geelong, being dangled as trade bait for the second year in a row.
• Pert contacted at least one other club regarding Oliver, with the full support of Melbourne’s list management committee.
• There are concerns the trade talks may damage the relationship between Oliver and Melbourne, as he's reportedly upset about being considered for a trade again.
• Oliver is managed by influential agents Paul Connors and Nick Gieschen.
• Oliver is excited by the prospect of joining Geelong, but the Cats are not actively pushing the trade, leaving the decision in Melbourne's hands.
• If Melbourne explores the trade, Geelong may offer a future first-round pick, but Melbourne would likely also request a player.
• The Demons might have to cover part of Oliver’s seven-figure salary if he moves to Geelong.
• If adequate compensation can't be secured, Melbourne might retain Oliver for another year despite some internal unrest.

Why would they have these long term discussions when at least half of the people mentioned ( Goodwin, Richo and Pert) may not be in the fold by end of 2025?

Is it scapegoating involved?

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Almost as bad as 7 years for Treloar and sending him packing without warning (for peanuts) with 5 years left and Treloar being an ultimate professional

To me it looks like we’re being played by the Cats, all be it beautifully. They have been on him all year, sell him the dream and then sit back and watch our house burn while we fumble the deck. 

Is it IF ..   or just WHEN ???

48 minutes ago, Oxdee said:

Wow!! I didn’t realise Oliver is on $1.5m per year… that’s huge dollars. If the dees were to offload him they would be paying half his salary for 6 years. I can’t see this happening unless they believe he will never be the same player again and they are better off cutting their losses 

i don't think he is on 1.5M/yr x 7

maybe backloaded at end of contract for $1.5m when cap will be larger and inflation has done its usual growth

3 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Please do.

Supporters don't need to be lectured on how to feel or act during a devastating time like this. We thought PJ and Roos had righted the ship and now we are back to a basket case

Wasn’t lecturing supporters. 

1 minute ago, Roost it far said:

To me it looks like we’re being played by the Cats, all be it beautifully. They have been on him all year, sell him the dream and then sit back and watch our house burn while we fumble the deck. 

They'll  play us.... and beat us.

Don't hold much of a hand...   and when they turn over the River ( Barwon)  ... do we ante, call or fold. History suggests  one ;)

Does anyone know the rules around renegotiating contracts? I.e. if a player really wants to leave, but we are not prepared to pay part of their salary at a rival, can they simply renogotiate with the destination club for a smaller contract? 

11 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

The concern is if the reports are true that he's veering off the rails again in the past few weeks then he might very well repeat the off-season of last year.

Yep, it's a risk either way. I just think it's a greater risk offloading him and effectively admitting we are done contending for a while, than not.

1 minute ago, rufus said:

Does anyone know the rules around renegotiating contracts? I.e. if a player really wants to leave, but we are not prepared to pay part of their salary at a rival, can they simply renogotiate with the destination club for a smaller contract? 

That's up to the player and their management. Generally people aren't really keen to give up money owed though.

Just now, Mickey said:

Yep, it's a risk either way. I just think it's a greater risk offloading him and effectively admitting we are done contending for a while, than not.

Especially if we are left with nothing more than an ongoing bill for his employment (at one of our competitors).

Just now, KozzyCan said:

That's up to the player and their management. Generally people aren't really keen to give up money owed though.

Highly unlikely I guess...would be a decent outcome if that could happen and he effectively goes as a free agent...we'd get a good compo pick and no leftover money to pay.

I will get over trading Oliver if we get something good in return that makes us reasonably stronger.

I don't think I can get over us trading him to Geelong.

Other clubs must surely be shaking their heads at Melbourne. 

35 minutes ago, doc roet said:

You can take the boy out of the country,but you can't take the country out of the boy.

I'll bet he rues the day he signed that contract. Dazzled by the $. Frustrated at the length of it. His best life years stuck in Melbourne. Hours travelling out to Casey to train, yuc. Geelong knew what they were doing when they took him to Stanley's farm. 

Clarry might be from the country but I’m not sure the back blocks of Echuca and Shep make him a farm kid. If anything the malaise of those places would make you feel very at home in Casey.

The 40 minutes from Camberwell to Casey is some kind of disastrous ordeal but 30 minutes from a farm in Moriac to GMHBA isn’t?

Let’s be honest, Clarry’s mind, body, club and team mates were all happy with how he was going for the first 7 years of his career. Eventually that hit a tipping point.

Geelong think they can manage all of the above. The way they control the media narrative gives them a big advantage.