POSTGAME: SF vs Carlton

[Superunknown 4,217]

20 hours ago, layzie said:

Still speechless really. Two straight sets defeats. Pressure will be firmly on us next year.

I'm as devoted as they come and I will still be at games next year but the feeling right now is that fronting up week after week from March to September has been a waste. It's a hell of a lot of time to sink into going to the football when life has plenty to offer. People have been patient and made sacrifices so I can enjoy the game I love bit twice now it's come down to this 7 and 8 day period and everything is erased in an instant. I'm sorry to be morbid but I'm just finding that really hard to deal with right now and maybe stepping back a touch would help.

I'm sure this will change when the membership needs to be renewed.

Not me , I’m done. Too many things both corrupt at AFl level and us just accepting stuff like brayshaw (especially the victim blaming stuff) and now Pickett and 2 Arcs. That round 22 one sees us third, free hit at the lions and playing gws tonight …. 
 

my money and psychological health is best directed elsewhere 

[Superunknown 4,217]

[Brownie 5,980]

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Pickett suspended for 1 week, and will miss round 1 next year.

A nice parting gift.

Was that for Cripps running into the back of Pickett's head?

[DubDee 25,839]

33 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Viney was immense and close to BOG. his effort and intensity somehow lifts in finals. 

The last kick didn’t make it far enough purely due to the exhaustion his body was feeling. 

No one on here would be hurting even close to how much him and Gawn would be right now

alright got carried away with him playing that well. i just love the bloke. 

i don’t think he was incredibly poor with 7 clearances and 31 touches and attacking the ball like a maniac all night but he did have some clangers 

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Just now, Brownie said:

Was that for Cripps running into the back of Pickett's head?

Believe so

This is my point. Why do we accept this blatant corruption. Why don’t we say anything ?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

12 hours ago, BDA said:

Our record this year reads 16W and 9L. Froward injuries have been difficult to deal with year but we are not as good as we think we are. Our record says so.

Ok but how many of those games were we comprehensively beaten and how many were 50/50 games that we happened to be on the wrong end of? And how many did we comprehensively win?

I count 9 wins, 5 losses, 7 50/50 games.

The 5 losses were Lions round 2, Bombers, Port, Freo, Cats. We won or were in every other game, average losing margin of what, 10 points? I think if we go into next year with Petty, JVR, Fritsch, Kozzie, McAdam that's a pretty potent forward line just unfortunate we had so many injuries to our forwards this year. But Petty/JVR/Kozzie will be around for another 8-10 years together, there is reason for optimism despite how disappointed we all are.

Edited September 16, 2023 by Dr. Gonzo

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10 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Believe so

This is my point. Why do we accept this blatant corruption. Why don’t we say anything ?

Every now again I wonder if I'm being paranoid. But dead set, Cripps ran into the back of Pickett's head. He didn't touch his shoulder.

Surely we should be appealing.

But, we hardly ever do.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

35 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

How we've refused to address this is beyond me.

We definetly need it addressed this off season

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

11 hours ago, YearOfTheDees said:

Goodwin did not address this last night but what was with the No Melbourne ruck in the forward line. Must have been as least five of them. Some kind of pregame plan that made no since. 

It did make sense because more oftent than not it ended up working in our favour

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

11 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

I think Goodwin did a good job through the season. We experimented more but suffered from injuries and poor goal kicking when it counted. 

That said, we were very poor disciplined last night and disorganised. Four forward stoppages, we had no nominated ruck when Max was off. 

We changed things up last night, started the game with intent, were physical, playing quick and through the corridor. But we couldn't put goals on the board, shouldve been 4 goals up early but then TDK gets two in a minute and all our hard work was for nought.

Other than the Grundy/TMac/Schache debacle I don't think we can point the finger at Goodwin, I think he coached exceptionally well throughout the year. Our gameplay needs tinkering, we need a new forwards coach and perhaps a ball movement coach (Caracalla?) but the structure and gameplay holds up. It's just the execution that's lacking.

[Spit Demon 58]

13 hours ago, Travy14 said:

I don't think heads need to roll as such, i mean we have been top 4 for 3 years now.

but change does need to be made, and the forward line is the start.

Totally get what you are saying, but personally I can't accept being so dominant in so many areas and still coming up short. If we were clearly beaten by the better team then I have no problem whatsoever with losing the game, but I firmly believe that at their best the Dees are the best in the comp, above 50% (70%+ would be outstanding, apparently Dees are going at 48.1% in 2023) goal kicking accuracy would have done the job in the last 2 weeks, hence the frustration... 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

11 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

I got home from the ground and saw some of the post match on 7. They were reluctant to say how much he towelled up Curnow. Saying stuff like ‘probably got the better of him.

May absolutely decimated Curnow. He out marked him one on one so consistently that in the last quarter Curnow was just trying to bring the ball to ground.

Steven May was extraordinary in that game. He has every right to be filthy. He couldn’t have done more.

He is a superstar, so glad we recruited him to the club. I love Maysie

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

How was it flukey? Minor premier, dominant all year, dominated the finals series, backed up with 2nd and 4th after H&A next two seasons. Yes we haven't lived up to expectations the last two September's but to say 2021 was a fluke is dumb.

I do question how long you can go with the type of coach Goodwin is. I think it's a great culture he's built and the care for the players etc but after 7 or 8 years do the players become too comfortable? I'm not calling for his head, far from it, just wondering aloud whether the message becomes stale.

I think it’s going to be Hardwick style exit in about 2 years time. Just as we close the premiership window of the current list, we’ll make a change.

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13 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

I think it’s going to be Hardwick style exit in about 2 years time. Just as we close the premiership window of the current list, we’ll make a change.

Make the change after next year

ceos of listed asx corps have average tenure 7 years. Same thing. 

 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

11 hours ago, YearOfTheDees said:

I believe our game plan keeps other teams in the game. 

Our inaccuracy keeps other teams in the game

[monoccular 17,424]

6 hours ago, Dannyz said:

How did the powers at the club ever think that Chandler would become a better play than Bedford? I don't mind Chandler but Bedford's speed around the ball is elite. He will go to another level with GWS next season. It's a huge loss and one that we could of easily avoided. 

The first half dozen or so games this year Chandler was outstanding - tough, fairly quick and deadly accurate.  Sadly this did not continue - I guess even though he has been on the list for ?3 years it was his first real season.

6 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Naughton would not help out goalkicking woes

but he would feel quite at home 😢

3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Pickett suspended for 1 week, and will miss round 1 next year.

A nice parting gift.

 

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

A deserved suspension, but the mind still boggles and rages that Maynard is free to play. 
 

I love Pickett’s hard edge, but he has to cut this [censored] out of his game. Costly and unnecessary. 

If that was the shoulder to shoulder bump against Cripps, no head contact, then its only proves how corrupt the MRO and AFL as a whole is.  OK to jump and collect high a la Maynard, but don't dare bump Mr Cripps.

2 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

The AFL can GAGF. The umpires the MRO and even the media are just pissing me off big time. 

The team was woeful in front of goal that ultimately cost us but the umpiring was truely one for the ages. I can’t bring myself to watch the ARC review for Nibblers goal, which on the MCG screen was hard to tell whether it was conclusive. 

You need a bit of luck in finals - seriously someone has cursed us this year. The amount of [censored] that has gone wrong in the last month is out of this world. 

 

1 hour ago, Superunknown said:

Not me , I’m done. Too many things both corrupt at AFl level and us just accepting stuff like brayshaw (especially the victim blaming stuff) and now Pickett and 2 Arcs. That round 22 one sees us third, free hit at the lions and playing gws tonight …. 
 

my money and psychological health is best directed elsewhere 

I cannot bring myself to watch any more AFL this year.  Gil clearly has his heart and possibly money on a C v C GF, and it will happen.   (I could I guess bring myself to watch GWS - with Jesse and Bedford - vs Brisbane)

[monoccular 17,424]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Our inaccuracy keeps other teams in the game

Touché

IF we could kick straight we would be sitting back this weekend preparing for a PF.   

It is a very serious and recurring problem and must be addressed over the summer, or this will happen again.

[bing181 9,218]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Lol what game were you watching? Viney was incredibly poor last night and was one of our bottom 5 players of the night. His turnover last night summed his night up because that's all he basically did was cough it up.

31 possessions including 15 contested, more clearances and I50's than any of the other mids, also higher DE than any of the other mids, second most metres gained ... and named in the best. But for you one of our bottom 5 ...

[dazzledavey36 54,861]

3 minutes ago, bing181 said:

31 possessions including 15 contested, more clearances and I50's than any of the other mids, also higher DE than any of the other mids, second most metres gained ... and named in the best. But for you one of our bottom 5 ...

Some are so easily pleased by stats.. 👆

Edited September 16, 2023 by dazzledavey36

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5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Some are so easily pleased by stats.. 👆

Confirmation bias 101.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Ok but how many of those games were we comprehensively beaten and how many were 50/50 games that we happened to be on the wrong end of? And how many did we comprehensively win?

I count 9 wins, 5 losses, 7 50/50 games.

The 5 losses were Lions round 2, Bombers, Port, Freo, Cats. We won or were in every other game, average losing margin of what, 10 points? I think if we go into next year with Petty, JVR, Fritsch, Kozzie, McAdam that's a pretty potent forward line just unfortunate we had so many injuries to our forwards this year. But Petty/JVR/Kozzie will be around for another 8-10 years together, there is reason for optimism despite how disappointed we all are.

IMO we were only properly beaten three times - Brisbane Round 2, Essendon and Geelong.

Port we were a kick from winning late. Fremantle was 7 points and felt far more even than the other three, but just a game were we didn't do enough for long enough.

This is somewhat like 2022, where we led in every single game by at least 10 points and IIRC we led all bar one or two games by 20+ points.

You can honestly count on one hand the number of games we're been comprehensively beaten since Round 1, 2021. A 3-4 record in finals for all that doesn't sit well.

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Just now, titan_uranus said:

IMO we were only properly beaten three times - Brisbane Round 2, Essendon and Geelong.

Port we were a kick from winning late. Fremantle was 7 points and felt far more even than the other three, but just a game were we didn't do enough for long enough.

This is somewhat like 2022, where we led in every single game by at least 10 points and IIRC we led all bar one or two games by 20+ points.

You can honestly count on one hand the number of games we're been comprehensively beaten since Round 1, 2021. A 3-4 record in finals for all that doesn't sit well.

Yeah but Port really controlled the game and should've been up by far more at halftime. I listed the Pies game as a win so thought it fair to list the Port game as a loss.

[titan_uranus 25,000]

Watching GWS play strongly here against Port (although they are doing a Melbourne having kicked 2.10 from their last 12 shots to take what should be a 60 point lead and turn it into a 20 point lead) reminds me of a thought I had at some point when I wasn't sleeping last night.

The AFL competition has never been more even. We know this because 14-odd sides were in finals contention until the last month of the season, with plenty of upsets, no utterly dominant H&A side, and plenty of changes to the top 8 make-up all year. 

This is, of course, what we want, with equalisation measures designed to ensure as many of the 18 clubs in any given season can compete.

That means the gap between the top 4 and 5-8 should be as close now as it's ever been.

Doesn't mean it's OK to go 0-2 in finals, but as every year goes by, these semi finals of 4v5 or 3v6 are going to become increasingly more even, because the gap between those sides is going to be increasingly smaller.

Just something to say back to all the flak we're going to cop from people with the whole "double straight sets" stuff.

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4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yeah but Port really controlled the game and should've been up by far more at halftime. I listed the Pies game as a win so thought it fair to list the Port game as a loss.

If "really controlled the game and should've been up by far more at halftime" was a thing, we'd be premiers.

We were good vs Port. Not great, but good. We certainly weren't comprehensively beaten. I don't think that game goes in the same bucket as Brisbane, Essendon or Geelong.

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1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

Watching GWS play strongly here against Port (although they are doing a Melbourne having kicked 2.10 from their last 12 shots to take what should be a 60 point lead and turn it into a 20 point lead) reminds me of a thought I had at some point when I wasn't sleeping last night.

The AFL competition has never been more even. We know this because 14-odd sides were in finals contention until the last month of the season, with plenty of upsets, no utterly dominant H&A side, and plenty of changes to the top 8 make-up all year. 

This is, of course, what we want, with equalisation measures designed to ensure as many of the 18 clubs in any given season can compete.

That means the gap between the top 4 and 5-8 should be as close now as it's ever been.

Doesn't mean it's OK to go 0-2 in finals, but as every year goes by, these semi finals of 4v5 or 3v6 are going to become increasingly more even, because the gap between those sides is going to be increasingly smaller.

Just something to say back to all the flak we're going to cop from people with the whole "double straight sets" stuff.

And the team that wins their elimination final has momentum and confidence versus the losing qf team.