On 16/11/2023 at 01:36, 58er said:

Was not commenting on Maynard and Murphy. That was a real footy accident.

irony is that a Pie may be forced out of the game and Angus is free to choose to play on or not. 

The fact that  as it was Maynard also with Murphy is now another ironic part I was not centred upon.

Possible Karma for Pies ( totally Unlucky for player Murphy who we hope makes a complete recovery ) from a footy accident when the other incident was not an accident IMO. 

Yeah I get that, just commenting the irony of Maynard aka The Dog was involved.  That's all

  On 15/11/2023 at 21:26, old dee said:

It's time for him to quit, seriously there is more to life tell Nate.

Agree. He'll likely have 50+ years post footy. It's a long time to suffer migraines, CTE or whatever multiple concussions could very likely cause. Nathan passed the test on game day because he'd memorised the answers. He ruled himself out as he had blurred vision.

No way would I mention it to Nathan, but I'm sure his parents have. He's a talented cricketer so that might be a path he could follow.

Edited November 16, 20231 yr by M_9

  On 16/11/2023 at 03:30, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Yeah I get that, just commenting the irony of Maynard aka The Dog was involved.  That's all

Amazingly the Pies got a free kick from this when Murphy essentially ran his head into McArthy who pretty much had the ball when it happened. BS free kick that one.

Drove past Trevor Barker Oval 10 Minutes ago in medium level traffic and saw Angus, Spargo, Salem, Disco and possibly Howes doing a skills session. Salem shirtless obviously happy with the rig. It was only a brief glimpse but excited people they were training the house down.

Just walked past him in the foyer of my workplace. Seems he is working for another a company who shares tenancy with my employer. Had another Melbourne tragic with me at the time. Was it wrong that we were both overawed and didn’t interrupt his conversation with his colleague. 

Edited November 23, 20231 yr by Gawndy the Great

  On 23/11/2023 at 02:51, Gawndy the Great said:

Just walked past him in the foyer of my workplace. Seems he is working for another a company who shares tenancy with my employer. Had another Melbourne tragic with me at the time. Was it wrong that we were both overawed and didn’t interrupt his conversation with his colleague. 

The dribbling wouldn't have been a good look though!

  On 23/11/2023 at 02:51, Gawndy the Great said:

Just walked past him in the foyer of my workplace. Seems he is working for another a company who shares tenancy with my employer. Had another Melbourne tragic with me at the time. Was it wrong that we were both overawed and didn’t interrupt his conversation with his colleague. 

NEVER pass up an opportunity to yarn with a Dees player. 

Melbourne midfield star Angus Brayshaw has been given formal approval to continue his AFL career as he made an impressive return to pre-season training on Monday.

Brayshaw was knocked out in the Demons’ qualifying final loss to Collingwood in one of the most dramatic moments of the season, with good friend Brayden Maynard ultimately cleared by the AFL appeals board.

Brayshaw’s brother said in the immediate aftermath he would consider his football future but as his symptoms cleared Demons mid Angus was always determined to continue his AFL career.

On Monday as the Demons senior players returned to training with a 2km time trial Brayshaw ran impressively in baking Melbourne heat then joined his teammates in training.

The fluro yellow hat which indicated he was not yet allowed contact was the only indication that Brayshaw would be treated differently to his teammates.

The Demons have ticked every medical box and had his return approved by the AFL, which means a player contracted to 2028 will have ambitious plans to play a full 2024 season.

 

  On 04/12/2023 at 04:02, Demonland said:

Brayshaw was knocked out in the Demons’ qualifying final loss to Collingwood in one of the most dramatic moments of the season, with good friend Brayden Maynard ultimately cleared by the AFL appeals board.

 

Oh please.

Edited December 4, 20231 yr by gs77

  On 04/12/2023 at 04:09, gs77 said:

Oh please.

This. Stop making it out like they’re friends or that Maynard is anything but a dirty thug. 

  On 04/12/2023 at 04:22, Jaded No More said:

This. Stop making it out like they’re friends or that Maynard is anything but a dirty thug. 

It’s disgusting.

  On 14/11/2023 at 19:58, Bystander said:

That "expert" evidence was inexpert. And barely challenged. Maynard's intent was to collect Brayshaw.

I challenged it. Tracked the clown down on google (not difficult) and wrote to him the morning after the hearing at his Catholic University email. Told him I was no bio-mechanic but I could recognise tripe when I see it.

Still waiting for a reply.

  On 16/11/2023 at 00:26, jnrmac said:

My understanding is the AFL ran the case and their lawyers had no right of reply and/or were very limited in how they could respond to the outrageous claims by the COll camp.

 

Whether this was by design or how its done I don't know.

 

And certainly having a well known Collingwood supporter as the Tribunal Chair was a ridiculous conflict. It all added up to the AFL wanted Maynard to get off

Word from a journo who observed the hearing was that the AFL ran a very weak prosecution...going through the motions.

  On 04/12/2023 at 04:09, gs77 said:

Oh please.

Yes, I saw that and actual vomit appeared in my mouth.  I think it was a cubed piece of carrot.

  On 04/12/2023 at 20:15, pitmaster said:

Word from a journo who observed the hearing was that the AFL ran a very weak prosecution...going through the motions.

why am I not surprised?

  On 04/12/2023 at 20:12, pitmaster said:

I challenged it. Tracked the clown down on google (not difficult) and wrote to him the morning after the hearing at his Catholic University email. Told him I was no bio-mechanic but I could recognise tripe when I see it.

Still waiting for a reply.

good work Pitmaster. Perhaps a less confrontational and more conciliatory approach asking how the natural human response of putting out arms was overcome and turning to shoulder impact was considered a more suitable approach from a bio-mechanic perspective, might be more likely to get a response.

I understand this would be a more self protective action but would ignore any duty of care responsibility. Does he believe a greater awareness should be given to players. Could Maynards action have been penalised to set an example of this responsibility.?

The movement seems to be ignoring the impacts of shoulder to head, does he believe it is ok to target the head  or should it be sacred?

I also understand there was an increasing number of wrist and arm injuries as that natural instinct was prevalent in skateboarding and snowboarding. Wrist guards were  introduced to limit these injuries.

Theres no compensation for Gus or the club who were obviously severely affected and lost the past battle, but there may be, to use our coaches well worn phrase, some learnings that we all could see. At the moment it seems there is a continuation of violent football acts where self propelled human battering rams can inflict damage at crucial times.  

  On 04/12/2023 at 23:24, dpositive said:

good work Pitmaster. Perhaps a less confrontational and more conciliatory approach asking how the natural human response of putting out arms was overcome and turning to shoulder impact was considered a more suitable approach from a bio-mechanic perspective, might be more likely to get a response.

 

Perhaps I sold myself short in my earlier post, dpositive, since I did attempt a reasoned argument in my email to that fellow. It's just that earlier I offered the punch line.

In the email to the biomechanic, and in response to his evidence that having jumped in the air Maynard was "essentially a projectile", I remarked: "What you are saying is that an athlete who jumps in the air is a missile with no ability to shape what happens next. Good luck with that line talking to a room of gymnasts."

I pointed out: "as a professional athlete of many years' standing Maynard has spent half his lifetime in gymnasiums and has a strong core formed by weight training and pilates sessions. He was able to guide himself in mid-air. Your projectile comment would be laughable had it not helped create a precedent for future concussion events."

See? It wasn't all slagging off. Just some of it, and I would say, deservedly so.

I stopped short of calling him bogus, so there was some restraint.

 

Edited December 5, 20231 yr by pitmaster

I don’t think there is any reasonable person that could put hand-on-heart and say that the action was not a deliberate ploy to hurt Gus.  He is a thug , deserved a long suspension and deserved to miss the grand final and that medal. That medal is now as tainted as Cripps’s Brownlow. However this thread is about Gus and I want to hear positives about how he is going both physically and mentally. I know that physically he is likely to be ok, but I worry about the lingering metal scars that act might have and how this will affect his play. I am however, really tired of posters bringing up and repeating the event over and over again. My thought is to let it rest and save the anger for our next game against the pies. None of us will forget this act that’s for sure.

  On 05/12/2023 at 03:53, pitmaster said:

Perhaps I sold myself short in my earlier post, dpositive, since I did attempt a reasoned argument in my email to that fellow. It's just that earlier I offered the punch line.

In the email to the biomechanic, and in response to his evidence that having jumped in the air Maynard was "essentially a projectile", I remarked: "What you are saying is that an athlete who jumps in the air is a missile with no ability to shape what happens next. Good luck with that line talking to a room of gymnasts."

I pointed out: "as a professional athlete of many years' standing Maynard has spent half his lifetime in gymnasiums and has a strong core formed by weight training and pilates sessions. He was able to guide himself in mid-air. Your projectile comment would be laughable had it not helped create a precedent for future concussion events."

See? It wasn't all slagging off. Just some of it, and I would say, deservedly so.

I stopped short of calling him bogus, so there was some restraint.

 

yeah good work as i indicated then. Pity there is no response but i guess its pretty hard to defend the indefensible.

  On 05/12/2023 at 04:57, Neil Crompton said:

I don’t think there is any reasonable person that could put hand-on-heart and say that the action was not a deliberate ploy to hurt Gus.  He is a thug , deserved a long suspension and deserved to miss the grand final and that medal. That medal is now as tainted as Cripps’s Brownlow. However this thread is about Gus and I want to hear positives about how he is going both physically and mentally. I know that physically he is likely to be ok, but I worry about the lingering metal scars that act might have and how this will affect his play. I am however, really tired of posters bringing up and repeating the event over and over again. My thought is to let it rest and save the anger for our next game against the pies. None of us will forget this act that’s for sure.

Wholeheartedly agree. We all see how one can brace themselves by using hands instead of the shoulder. I think there was an almost unconscious manifestation of intent in his action. Still disgusting was the whole unification of the media bar a few select individuals that supported Maynard and upheld the Maynard is the victim narrative. ill never look at those [censored] the same again. 

 

  On 04/12/2023 at 20:12, pitmaster said:

I challenged it. Tracked the clown down on google (not difficult) and wrote to him the morning after the hearing at his Catholic University email. Told him I was no bio-mechanic but I could recognise tripe when I see it.

Still waiting for a reply.

Clown for hire.

I wonder how much he got for his crappy cameo?

 

  On 05/12/2023 at 04:57, Neil Crompton said:

My thought is to let it rest and save the anger for our next game against the pies. None of us will forget this act that’s for sure

It's interesting.

Because as much as I condemn the whole violent episode, I'm secretly hanging out for the revenge game.

In a completely fair and flattening event of course.

Just Lots and lots of smothering.

And maybe sometimes on the ball.

Edited December 5, 20231 yr by leave it to deever

  On 05/12/2023 at 08:41, leave it to deever said:

It's interesting.

Because as much as I condemn the whole violent episode, I'm secretly hanging out for the revenge game.

In a completely fair and flattening event of course.

Just Lots and lots of smothering.

And maybe sometimes on the ball.

Agreed.

I feel there is a primevil human motivation for vengeance and violence against Collingwood the next time we play them.  The logical part of my brain says it may not be the right one, but the emotive part definitely feels that way.

When I do think about it more deeply, what I think would satisfy this lust for blood is to categorically demolish Collingwood on the scoreboard every time we play them for the next decade, leaving their low life supporter group humiliated, depressed and bring home the flag next year in a totally dominant season from start to finish.

Edited December 5, 20231 yr by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

  On 05/12/2023 at 14:13, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Agreed.

I feel there is a primevil human motivation for vengeance and violence against Collingwood the next time we play them.  The logical part of my brain says it may not be the right one, but the emotive part definitely feels that way.

When I do think about it more deeply, what I think would satisfy this lust for blood is to categorically demolish Collingwood on the scoreboard every time we play them for the next decade, leaving their low life supporter group humiliated, depressed and bring home the flag next year in a totally dominant season from start to finish.

That would do it for me.

  On 04/12/2023 at 20:15, pitmaster said:

Word from a journo who observed the hearing was that the AFL ran a very weak prosecution...going through the motions.

Blatantly obvious that that's what they were doing, all in the name of ensuring the AFL got their dream of a Collingwood premiership.