TRAINING: Saturday 17th June 2023

[kev martin 10,698]

Rehab: BBB, TMac, Hibbo (the three in runners and no involvement in the main training) and K Turner (doing his own program). 

Oliver, Petty and Verrall with the main group in full training.

Bowey, has the "white hat" on, though is having a full session.

Tough conditions (windy), that they are handling well. Plenty of noise as they support and call each other, they remain professional as they perform, then more relaxed during the ends of drills.

After warm ups and small drills, they split into two groups, with rotations into each station.

First was goal kicking, the other was handball in tight areas until the whistle, then they clear and make a ball entry into the fifty.

They used left/right wing, and centre area, as the starting place. Emphasis, on spread and delivery.

Several rotations into the goal kicking and midfield set up drills. 

 They finish with a little bit of running, though not too much. 

Petty, Trac and Sparrow last to leave.

 

[The heart beats true 18,183]

As always, thanks for the update Kev.

It’s terrible that our players are training on the Saturday of their bye round after playing just days ago. I’m very surprised the players didn’t go to the AFLPA. I would have. 

[—coach— 3,496]

13 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

As always, thanks for the update Kev.

It’s terrible that our players are training on the Saturday of their bye round after playing just days ago. I’m very surprised the players didn’t go to the AFLPA. I would have. 

Best performance doesn’t care about what day of the week it is, if the work needs to be done today, it needs to be done today. The players would likely be well educated on that and given they would all love to win another GF i suspect they realize it’s a minor inconvenience as apposed to a big problem.

From my elite swim coaching days, i can tell you that around 95% of the athletes at the swimming trials in Melbourne at the moment would train around 48 out of 52 Saturday’s per year, along with 9-11 other sessions throughout the working week and most will be paying $ for the privilege of doing so and not earning a cent from the sport. All in the name of making Australian teams and swimming for the country.

[binman 44,528]

1 hour ago, kev martin said:

Rehab: BBB, TMac, Hibbo (the three in runners and no involvement in the main training) and K Turner (doing his own program). 

Oliver, Petty and Verrall with the main group in full training.

Bowey, has the "white hat" on, though is having a full session.

Tough conditions (windy), that they are handling well. Plenty of noise as they support and call each other, they remain professional as they perform, then more relaxed during the ends of drills.

After warm ups and small drills, they split into two groups, with rotations into each station.

First was goal kicking, the other was handball in tight areas until the whistle, then they clear and make a ball entry into the fifty.

They used left/right wing, and centre area, as the starting place. Emphasis, on spread and delivery.

Several rotations into the goal kicking and midfield set up drills. 

They finish with a little bit of running, though not too much. 

Petty, Trac and Sparrow last to leave.

That answers those 2 questions kev -  literally only a 4 day break and they can train on weekends.

Mcrae said their players are not back on deck till next Monday, meaning their players get six days away from the club, and our only four.

The pies don't play till Sunday week, meaning an 11 day break over tbeir bye period to our 9 days.

[Demonstone 23,338]

26 minutes ago, binman said:

The pies don't play till Sunday week, meaning an 11 day break over tbeir bye period to our 9 days.

What you call a 9 day break is what most of us would call a 10 day break - 12/6 to 22/6.

If you play on consecutive Saturdays, that is seen as a 7 day break (ie. a week between games).   

Using your method, it would be 6 days as you only count the days that no football is played by the team.

[Jaded No More 68,975]

1 hour ago, —coach— said:

Best performance doesn’t care about what day of the week it is, if the work needs to be done today, it needs to be done today. The players would likely be well educated on that and given they would all love to win another GF i suspect they realize it’s a minor inconvenience as apposed to a big problem.

From my elite swim coaching days, i can tell you that around 95% of the athletes at the swimming trials in Melbourne at the moment would train around 48 out of 52 Saturday’s per year, along with 9-11 other sessions throughout the working week and most will be paying $ for the privilege of doing so and not earning a cent from the sport. All in the name of making Australian teams and swimming for the country.

The thing that annoys me tho is the lack of consistency 

If 90% of AFL players are getting 12 days off, why should ours only get 9?!

[Demonstone 23,338]

I agree @Jaded No More. 

No matter how you count the number of days in the break, we are copping the rough end of the pineapple here.

[The heart beats true 18,183]

1 hour ago, —coach— said:

Best performance doesn’t care about what day of the week it is, if the work needs to be done today, it needs to be done today. The players would likely be well educated on that and given they would all love to win another GF i suspect they realize it’s a minor inconvenience as apposed to a big problem.

From my elite swim coaching days, i can tell you that around 95% of the athletes at the swimming trials in Melbourne at the moment would train around 48 out of 52 Saturday’s per year, along with 9-11 other sessions throughout the working week and most will be paying $ for the privilege of doing so and not earning a cent from the sport. All in the name of making Australian teams and swimming for the country.

Last year we were banged up and exhausted. This year ever other club except for us gets a good break.

It’s not about questioning the mentality of the playing group (or the idea of Saturday training) - as we know in reality this ground will go well beyond the point of breaking. It’s about being given equal access to both a physical and mental break. Managing ultra competitive athletes is as much about protecting them from themselves as it is about training.

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 4,084]

Hibbo giving it his all, ends up in the rehab group after each game

[DubDee 26,304]

1 hour ago, The heart beats true said:

As always, thanks for the update Kev.

It’s terrible that our players are training on the Saturday of their bye round after playing just days ago. I’m very surprised the players didn’t go to the AFLPA. I would have. 

they got a 4 day break from the club and all training which i think is the min requirement 

I’m sure a lot of them we keen as to get back into it

[Demon Disciple 12,452]

10 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

The thing that annoys me tho is the lack of consistency 

If 90% of AFL players are getting 12 days off, why should ours only get 9?!

The cynical side of me says because the AFL are continually trying to screw us over……and I get angry.
 

The more parochial and logical side of me says stuff em, we will screw all of them over instead……..now I’m content

Edited June 17, 2023 by Demon Disciple

[DubDee 26,304]

10 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

The thing that annoys me tho is the lack of consistency 

If 90% of AFL players are getting 12 days off, why should ours only get 9?!

reality is if we want to play the Big Freeze game we’ll get a shorter break. we are also a big team snow so more likely to get night games. 

[poita 3,908]

I don't understand why people get so worked about the size of our bye. There are only so many days between the start and the end of the year - if you get a shorter break between games one week, you are going to get a longer break another week. Every team is still playing 23 games in a 24 week period. The players might prefer to get a shorter break now, and an extra day or two between games closer to finals.

[—coach— 3,496]

7 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

The thing that annoys me tho is the lack of consistency 

If 90% of AFL players are getting 12 days off, why should ours only get 9?!

Totally agree, but that’s the hand we are dealt this year so we could give them more time off and compromise performance, or deal with it and get on with doing what is required for best performance.

It’s up to our management team to stop this from happening in the future (along with several other inequities that we get dealt year on year) but nothing can change this year so we just need to get on with it.

[binman 44,528]

26 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

What you call a 9 day break is what most of us would call a 10 day break - 12/6 to 22/6.

If you play on consecutive Saturdays, that is seen as a 7 day break (ie. a week between games).   

Using your method, it would be 6 days as you only count the days that no football is played by the team.

I take your point about Saturday to Saturday, but the coaches, Selwyn Griffith and players call it a 9 day break, so I'll go with that.

Edited June 17, 2023 by binman

[Demon Disciple 12,452]

4 minutes ago, DubDee said:

reality is if we want to play the Big Freeze game we’ll get a shorter break. we are also a big team snow so more likely to get night games. 

I see what you did there

[Demonstone 23,338]

I guess it's a matter of semantics, binny.

It's nine days of not playing but ten days between games.

[Demon_spurs 1,918]

WE play on Thursday and then don't play again to the following Sunday (10 days), so its almost like another bye

[—coach— 3,496]

11 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Last year we were banged up and exhausted. This year ever other club except for us gets a good break.

It’s not about questioning the mentality of the playing group (or the idea of Saturday training) - as we know in reality this ground will go well beyond the point of breaking. It’s about being given equal access to both a physical and mental break. Managing ultra competitive athletes is as much about protecting them from themselves as it is about training.

I agree we should be given equal access to adequate to breaks, but right now we don’t, so we we have a choice, do what is required to perform at our peak with a view to winning the premiership, or don’t. Everything you do as an athlete has a cost and a benefit. Take a longer break to provide a mental rest, and you loose physiological improvement opportunities. Take a shorter break and you get less mental recovery but greater potential for physical adaptations. I would put trust in the guys/gals in the club who are highly qualified in these areas to give our boys the best chance of success as they are the experts.

[Greg Schneider 1,004]

3 minutes ago, Demon_spurs said:

WE play on Thursday and then don't play again to the following Sunday (10 days), so its almost like another bye

Yep I think it ends up being nearly three 10 day breaks in a row from the Carlton game 

[DubDee 26,304]

4 minutes ago, Demon_spurs said:

WE play on Thursday and then don't play again to the following Sunday (10 days), so its almost like another bye

and friday to monday last week so it’s a good spell for the players to refresh 

[Clayton spirit 258]

We get 10 3 day breaks in a row, with R16 being a Sunday. That's plenty of rest time for players 

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

We get 3 ten* day breaks in a row. Other clubs get a longer single break than we do but we have longer breaks than them either side of the bye. Surely the Club can design a program that will maximise these 3 long breaks. Who knows, if we are smart it could be an advantage 

* or nine depending on your outlook 

[binman 44,528]

30 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

I guess it's a matter of semantics, binny.

It's nine days of not playing but ten days between games.

Well of course.

But if you want to talk semantics, the context needs to be considered.

And the context is the AFL industry consider a Monday game, followed by a game on Thursday week (or a Thursday game to a Sunday week game) a nine day break between games.

The problem of not considering context is demonstrated in the posts above talking about 10 day breaks.

Suddenly we are talking different numbers for the same thing, which creates confusion. Confusion that can be avoided by using the standard industry definition.

Another example is that as per their contracts, players have to get a min 4 day break during their bye period.

Goody said in his play match presser the players get a four day break, as did say Jack viney.

They trained today. Five days from the match on Monday. Do we think Jack viney considers they had a five day break?

They had Tues, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday away from the club.

A four day break by tbe industry definition - which, to avoid unnecessary confusion, I'd argue we should use.

Edited June 17, 2023 by binman

[binman 44,528]

4 minutes ago, Clayton spirit said:

We get 10 3 day breaks in a row, with R16 being a Sunday. That's plenty of rest time for players 

Except they won't be resting.

They will be going super hard on the track and in the gym.