POSTGAME: Rd 11 vs Walyalup

[Demonsone 1,961]

6 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

More perspective

After 11 rounds in 2022 Geelong had 7 wins, 4 losses and a percentage of 128.

Who were there wins against? Vs who have we beaten thus far the Dogs in the 1st game… it’s not impossible they can’t turn it around but my gut feeling is that their tummies are full & they are not selfless as they were in 21 

[waynewussell 4,873]

8 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Reality we have beaten 1 team in the current top 8 the dogs since our straight sets exit in the 2022  finals! It’s either our players have dropped off or Goodys game plan has been worked out! 

The top 8 is an elastic band  at this stage of the season. Adelaide would take Fremantle's spot if they won today. If that happens there would still be three of the top 8 that we haven't played (four if you count us!). Your point would be stronger if you talked about the other top four beating us!

[dees189227 12,234]

33 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Anyone know what the Gawn spray was directed at during the 3 qtr time break?

Was completely out of character..

I think he is just so frustrated at the moment. I remember him saying he tries not to show poor body language because he doesn't want the players to see. But I just observed him yesterday and every tackle & mark he dropped his head went down, his slapped his hands together & he didn't bother chasing 

[BDA 22,306]

52 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

Salem showing strong signs that he is back

I agree. Some critical posts about him but to me he has some poise and composure which the team sorely lacks at the moment. And there was one instance where he turned side on to the contest, won the ball and kick passed 15 meters or so to a teammate. So some saying he's soft is off the mark as well.

Plenty of problems at the moment but Salem isn't one of them.

[Mel Bourne 4,392]

1 hour ago, dees189227 said:

I was screaming to pass it to Brodie. He was literally on his own with not one Freo player around him. I hope that's something that gets pointed out

Could not believe this. I can accept that mistakes are made by the umpires, but that decision made me think that the AFL need to start penalising umpires for particularly egregious calls like that one. 
 

Agreed, easily one of the contenders for worst umpiring decision of the season so far. 

[Demonsone 1,961]

1 minute ago, waynewussell said:

The top 8 is an elastic band  at this stage of the season. Adelaide would take Fremantle's spot if they won today. If that happens there would still be three of the top 8 that we haven't played (four if you count us!). Your point would be stronger if you talked about the other top four beating us!

Results don’t lie, we are @ almost the 1/2 way of the season & 1 win against a top 8 team in 13 games is a good gauge. Team is in trouble either game plan isn’t working or player buy in / culture is the issue. 

[waynewussell 4,873]

6 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Results don’t lie, we are @ almost the 1/2 way of the season & 1 win against a top 8 team in 13 games is a good gauge. Team is in trouble either game plan isn’t working or player buy in / culture is the issue. 

Results don't lie...

After 11 rounds in 2022 Geelong had 7 wins, 4 losses and a percentage of 128. I'm pretty sure those 4 losses were against other top 4 teams.

Wouldn't it be a whole lot worse if we were losing to bottom 8 teams?

[Mel Bourne 4,392]

16 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

Which wing? If you were on the Southern wing, you would have seen a lot of footy close up. If you were on the members wing with me you spent most of the day looking at the f**king big screen to work out what was happening. 

Are you sure you were at the Demons game? Most of the play was on the member’s wing. 

[jnrmac 19,905]

Teams look to control the ball against us by short kick and marking.

We guard grass and let them do it.

• v Freo us 62 /them 92
• v Port 41/70
• v Hawks 105/72 
• v Suns 66 /94
• v North 95/124
• v Rich 103/81 Rich don't play that style of game
• v Ess 71/89
• v Eagles 95/75
• v Swans 92/94
• vLions 69/92
• v Dogs 117/71

Teams know not to kick long to May/Lever and we are not great at dirty ground balls or short chip kicks.

The better teams control the ball and chip their way through our system. The poorer teams try but can't keep it up. Rich play a similar style to us in that they want to move the ball quickly.

And when we do get a turnover teams have become better at stopping us rebounding. We seem unable to 'control' or block the corridor any more nor keep the ball inside our fwd 50.

Rarely any small players at the feet of contests and the running around the boundary seems so much easier to pin us to one side.

There are serious things wrong with our game plan that teams are exploiting because we are so predictable.

As for our centre clearance work it is abysmal. The number of times Max would tap the ball fwd and Freo players would pounce and run it away in a cross cross pattern was infuriating. Freo lost their key ruckman in the second qtr and we were still monstered in the air.

We are a very one dimensional side with a totally dysfunctional fwd line.

Our depth is now being tested and its frankly not very good.

[jnrmac 19,905]

1 hour ago, layzie said:

I agree we did get outnumbered at stoppage but looking at the stats we've beaten them in contested ball 157 to 141 and pretty much matched them in clearances. This is without our Mr contested possession Clarence of Oliver.

Something is not adding up, either it's a massive credit to our midfield unit for achieving those numbers without Clarry or we are doing gumball all when we get possession and our execution is to blame. Or both (yeah actually both)

 

Those numbers are distorted by our last quarter

[layzie 33,022]

3 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Those numbers are distorted by our last quarter

They may well be.

Is it possible to get quarter by quarter team stat breakdowns? Never been able to find it anywhere.

[Jjrogan 1,391]

19 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Teams look to control the ball against us by short kick and marking.

We guard grass and let them do it.

• v Freo us 62 /them 92
• v Port 41/70
• v Hawks 105/72 
• v Suns 66 /94
• v North 95/124
• v Rich 103/81 Rich don't play that style of game
• v Ess 71/89
• v Eagles 95/75
• v Swans 92/94
• vLions 69/92
• v Dogs 117/71

Teams know not to kick long to May/Lever and we are not great at dirty ground balls or short chip kicks.

The better teams control the ball and chip their way through our system. The poorer teams try but can't keep it up. Rich play a similar style to us in that they want to move the ball quickly.

And when we do get a turnover teams have become better at stopping us rebounding. We seem unable to 'control' or block the corridor any more nor keep the ball inside our fwd 50.

Rarely any small players at the feet of contests and the running around the boundary seems so much easier to pin us to one side.

There are serious things wrong with our game plan that teams are exploiting because we are so predictable.

As for our centre clearance work it is abysmal. The number of times Max would tap the ball fwd and Freo players would pounce and run it away in a cross cross pattern was infuriating. Freo lost their key ruckman in the second qtr and we were still monstered in the air.

We are a very one dimensional side with a totally dysfunctional fwd line.

Our depth is now being tested and its frankly not very good.

Great summary.  Although I disagree with "depth not being very good".  Your 27th player is not going to be a superstar.  If there is a positive, is we are playing horrible football right now and going down by a kick or two.  Its not floggings.  Heads up lads.  Beat the Blues, get the season back on track.

[demon3165 2,576]

1 hour ago, layzie said:

I agree we did get outnumbered at stoppage but looking at the stats we've beaten them in contested ball 157 to 141 and pretty much matched them in clearances. This is without our Mr contested possession Clarence of Oliver.

Something is not adding up, either it's a massive credit to our midfield unit for achieving those numbers without Clarry or we are doing gumball all when we get possession and our execution is to blame. Or both (yeah actually both)

 

Stats are a load of [censored], I will stick with the john Kennedy 3 rules:

You have the ball.

The opposition have the ball.

The ball is in dispute, means the umpires have it. 

The game is relatively simple,  coaches made changes when they were getting beaten in certain areas, now they wait till the breaks, Yze has not impressed me as a midfield coach, and don’t get started on Stafford, but Goody has the total control. 

 

[jnrmac 19,905]

24 minutes ago, layzie said:

They may well be.

Is it possible to get quarter by quarter team stat breakdowns? Never been able to find it anywhere.

I'm not sure. I make a mental note of it at the end of each quarter.

[jnrmac 19,905]

17 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

Great summary.  Although I disagree with "depth not being very good".  Your 27th player is not going to be a superstar.  If there is a positive, is we are playing horrible football right now and going down by a kick or two.  Its not floggings.  Heads up lads.  Beat the Blues, get the season back on track.

I think the thing that frustrates most of us is getting beaten the same way.

We lost 8 games last year. All the same way. We were leading. and were overun by teams running with overlap handball and chip kicks keeping it away from May and lever..

This  year isn't much different. And its not apparent that we have made any adjustments to that.

We rely pretty much solely on turnover in our defensive half. And when that breaks down we look very ordinary.

Early in the year our accuracy covered a lot of cracks. But we also moved the ball into the top of the 50m much more than we are doing now. I'd like to think thats the way we are going to play and we are hiding it now for finals but frankly thats laughable.

Goodwin is a coach who has one way to play and says 'if we play the way we want we will win the game' This becomes more than frustrating when its clear we are not being allowed to play the way we want and make no or few changes to counteract that.

As for our depth. Guys like Chandler, McVee Roo and showing signs of tiredness and aren't doing the things they did in the earlier rounds. When you don't bring in fresh legs the guys at Casey stagnate and can't just turn it on if they get picked in round 20 to cover an injury. We need to rotate more players through the team and keep everyone fresh.

We don't seem good at learnings given we talk about it so often

Edited May 28, 2023 by jnrmac

[jnrmac 19,905]

10 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Stats are a load of [censored], I will stick with the john Kennedy 3 rules:

You have the ball.

The opposition have the ball.

The ball is in dispute, means the umpires have it. 

The game is relatively simple,  coaches made changes when they were getting beaten in certain areas, now they wait till the breaks, Yze has not impressed me as a midfield coach, and don’t get started on Stafford, but Goody has the total control. 

 

Here's an interesting table I found. The team first to 6 points wins around 60% of all games. First to 70pts wins around 90% of all games.

Stats are rubbish yeah?

[titan_uranus 24,656]

51 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Results don’t lie, we are @ almost the 1/2 way of the season & 1 win against a top 8 team in 13 games is a good gauge. Team is in trouble either game plan isn’t working or player buy in / culture is the issue. 

We get it. You’ve posted it about 6 times today across multiple threads. 

It’s 2 wins in 14 games, but I guess going back one more game doesn’t assist? And of those 14, 6 were against sides not currently in the top 8. Agree that’s a poor record but I’m not sure how relevant it is other than against the obviously good sides (ie Brisbane, Port, last year’s finals - less so sides like Essendon and Freo where the jury remains out).

At any rate, by the end of the season, if say Sydney or GC make finals (both are just one game out right now) and we get another win vs say St Kilda, Geelong or Brisbane, this sort of stat is going to look very different to what it does now. 

An errant Fritsch snap last week goes through and we beat Port and this stat would be 3-5 including the two finals. But that win wouldn’t necessarily change the broader issues which deserve more focus than this stat.

[demon3165 2,576]

Just now, jnrmac said:

Here's an interesting table I found. The team first to 6 points wins around 60% of all games. First to 70pts wins around 90% of all games.

Stats are rubbish yeah?

Yes they are [censored], clearance, inside fifty, contested possessions, disposals etc 

[Roost it far 7,427]

Maybe it's as simple as our coach is out of ideas and our skipper is out of gas. Add that fact that our best midfielders now have half a dozen competitors that are better than them and we're back being middle of the road. 

[Demonsone 1,961]

58 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

Results don't lie...

After 11 rounds in 2022 Geelong had 7 wins, 4 losses and a percentage of 128. I'm pretty sure those 4 losses were against other top 4 teams.

Wouldn't it be a whole lot worse if we were losing to bottom 8 teams?

I think you just answered your own question if were the team is at … can’t beat majority of current top 8 teams… I grant it they haven’t been flogged and yes they have another 12 games to improve, but the slide started from the straight sets exit & continues against quality opposition 11 rounds into 2023

[layzie 33,022]

28 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

I'm not sure. I make a mental note of it at the end of each quarter.

I'm going to start screenshotting then at the quarter time breaks.

[Demonsone 1,961]

16 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

We get it. You’ve posted it about 6 times today across multiple threads. 

It’s 2 wins in 14 games, but I guess going back one more game doesn’t assist? And of those 14, 6 were against sides not currently in the top 8. Agree that’s a poor record but I’m not sure how relevant it is other than against the obviously good sides (ie Brisbane, Port, last year’s finals - less so sides like Essendon and Freo where the jury remains out).

At any rate, by the end of the season, if say Sydney or GC make finals (both are just one game out right now) and we get another win vs say St Kilda, Geelong or Brisbane, this sort of stat is going to look very different to what it does now. 

An errant Fritsch snap last week goes through and we beat Port and this stat would be 3-5 including the two finals. But that win wouldn’t necessarily change the broader issues which deserve more focus than this stat.

I’m stating the obvious, which is what the footy world will do also , they have another 12 games to turn it around and haven’t been flogged, buts it’s a worrying trend & reasons unknown…game plan or player mindset?

Edited May 28, 2023 by Demonsone

[Fanatique Demon 2,624]

18 hours ago, Rivers Run Red said:

Choco better have a good word with them this week. 5 missed set shots from directly in front. 

A 24 point xscore swing on scores alone, not counting all the blunders which seem to be the melbourne way going forward at the moment.

Never been to a more frustrating game of football.

Thanks for that.  Where can i find it for other games, please?

[layzie 33,022]

I can still feel the movement of the emery board.

[jnrmac 19,905]

49 minutes ago, layzie said:

I'm going to start screenshotting then at the quarter time breaks.

I used to do that. Its quite instructive.