On 5/3/2023 at 9:23 AM, jnrmac said:

Our accuracy would be much higher if Max could kick....

Yes - but his two games v Cats at the end of 2021 gives him a little bit of leeway 🤗🤗

On 5/3/2023 at 11:51 AM, tiers said:

As has been noted before, Maxie's main problem is his run up to kick.

If he runs straight, he kicks to the left. He should be reminded that he must run at an angle to the goals to allow for his left hook. Not too much to give the umpire cause to call play on, but just enough.

His ball drop is not ideal but it does not seem to adversely affect the direction of his kicks.

Practice will make perfect.

R23 2021 final kick - glad he ran straight. 

34 minutes ago, Demonland said:

https://twitter.com/OliverGigacz/status/1671031754399043585?s=20

 

Interesting that as the second highest scoring team with the third highest accuracy we somehow don't have a single player in that top group well up over the 60 mark...

I expected to see Fritsch in there.

We need to get our accuracy back on track as the last 3 weeks have been poor. The Collingwood match was essentially a 40 point win that we botched and made tougher than it needed to be.

14 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Interesting that as the second highest scoring team with the third highest accuracy we somehow don't have a single player in that top group well up over the 60 mark...

I expected to see Fritsch in there.

We need to get our accuracy back on track as the last 3 weeks have been poor. The Collingwood match was essentially a 40 point win that we botched and made tougher than it needed to be.

Fritsch is there. About 30 on the list.

I'm sure we'll be back. 

50 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Fritsch is there. About 30 on the list.

Ah my bad. The preview ended at Reiwoldt and I didn’t click the Twitter link to expand further! Still I expected him to be higher than 51%. The idea that Naughton and Daniher are better kicks for goal than him is mind boggling. 

Petracca down at 28% is sad. It appears nothing has changed this year regarding his poor accuracy. He’d be the undisputed best player in the league if he could nail more of his shots!

On 5/3/2023 at 9:23 AM, jnrmac said:

Our accuracy would be much higher if Max could kick....

Max has improved somewhat but he still seems to stab at the ball.

Trac's set shots have really gone off the boil.

 

Fritta is back on Trac lately.

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

Fritsch is there. About 30 on the list.

@Lord Travis the qualification of a minimum of 30 shots means only three Melbourne players qualify (Fritsch, Pickett and Petracca).

Here is the accuracy of Melbourne players with a minimum of 10 shots this season:

Tom McDonald - 72.73% (8 goals, 11 shots)
Charlie Spargo - 71.43% (10 goals, 14 shots)
Jacob van Rooyen - 69.57% (16 goals, 23 shots)
Ben Brown - 69.23% (9 goals, 13 shots)
Brodie Grundy - 60.00% (9 goals, 15 shots)
Kade Chandler - 57.69% (15 goals, 26 shots)
Jack Viney - 54.55% (6 goals, 11 shots)
Alex Neal-Bullen - 52.63% (10 goals, 19 shots)
Bayley Fritsch - 51.92% (27 goals, 52 shots)
Kysaiah Pickett - 47.50% (19 goals, 40 shots)
Max Gawn - 43.75% (7 goals, 16 shots)
Christian Petracca - 28.21% (11 goals, 39 shots)
Ed Langdon - 18.18% (2 goals, 11 shots)

Last 3 games

8-13 v blues 

8-18 v pies 

8-15 v cats 

need to fix asap as it may cost us ultimately in the finals or GF 

Demons

Scoring Efficiency
Disposals Per Goal	45.62
% In50s Goal	15.40
Conversion %	34.80

Cats Scoring Efficiency
Disposals Per Goal	31.09
% In50s Goal	20.80
Conversion %	47.80

I remember hearing the story about Mark "Jacko" Jackson back in the 1980s kicking 100 balls at goal every training session. Although he probably should of worked on his people skills as well as his goal kicking skills. Still he had an average of 4 goals a game. That's pretty good!

Shame Mark "Jacko" Jackson was madder than a cut snake! 🤣

I think an extra hour at training to practice goal kicking is pretty reasonable for our players.

Anyway, I have faith in Mark "Choco" Williams fixing our goal kicking woes eventually.

Practice makes perfect in the end.

Wonder if it’s still the least of Goodwins worries

 

has cost 2 games now - arguably 3 with port

good kicking is good footy

good kicking and kicking goals is core business for a professional team 

fix it pronto

i remember as a junior golfer spending hours and hours and hours on the short game - putting especially but chipping in particular 

not saying they don’t practice but they need to get stone cold on this. Like Cameron smith on the greens in round 4 at St. Andrews last year. Stone cold killa

 

1 hour ago, Supreme_Demon said:

I remember hearing the story about Mark "Jacko" Jackson back in the 1980s kicking 100 balls at goal every training session. Although he probably should of worked on his people skills as well as his goal kicking skills. Still he had an average of 4 goals a game. That's pretty good!

Shame Mark "Jacko" Jackson was madder than a cut snake! 🤣

I think an extra hour at training to practice goal kicking is pretty reasonable for our players.

Anyway, I have faith in Mark "Choco" Williams fixing our goal kicking woes eventually.

Practice makes perfect in the end.

In his rookie years Yze would be last off the track at Junction oval most training sessions practicing his goal kicking. 

Sometimes an hour after all players had already gone in and changed or having some home made soup!  Even under the lights.

1 hour ago, Demon Dynasty said:

In his rookie years Yze would be last off the track at Junction oval most training sessions practicing his goal kicking. 

Sometimes an hour after all players had already gone in and changed or having some home made soup!  Even under the lights.

Maybe he [Yze] should take the current mob out and show them the benefit of hard work on this vital skill.

16 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Maybe he [Yze] should take the current mob out and show them the benefit of hard work on this vital skill.

You'd run the Choco guantlet Mono!??

Not sure i would 😄

We need to start kicking goals. Not just in life but on the footy field.

Kade Chandler over the season has kicked 15.11, which is pretty respectable for a pressure forward. But then look at this!

     14 goals, 2 behinds ... then ... 1 goal, 9 behinds.

It would be great to know how much fatigue and how much mental state of mind are playing a part in the last month of inaccuracy. It would be great to see a pie chart but this is impossible so this is probably a useless comment.

Fun to think about though.. 

I’d love to know if part of our inaccuracies are due to where are shots are from? I concede that in the Collingwood game we missed some howlers, but I wonder if overall we’re having more shots from difficult angles, the pockets etc. I recall that in the first few rounds of the season we had a lot of good looks from the corridor where as the last 5-6 weeks we’ve definitely gone wider and have had more poorer entries due to repeat entries.

Edited June 25, 20232 yr by At the break of Gawn

17 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

Kade Chandler over the season has kicked 15.11, which is pretty respectable for a pressure forward. But then look at this!

     14 goals, 2 behinds ... then ... 1 goal, 9 behinds.

Some of those 9 behinds came at crucial moments of winnable games. I think he's inaccuracy has affected his form. He's been poor the last 6 weeks, needs to recharge at Casey

 

 

 

On 6/20/2023 at 6:04 PM, leave it to deever said:

Max has improved somewhat but he still seems to stab at the ball.

Trac's set shots have really gone off the boil.

Fritta is back on Trac lately.

Max's accuracy has improved on previous two years but not so vs career average.

2023 = 41%

2022 = 34%

2021 = 39%

Career = 44%

On 5/3/2023 at 11:51 AM, tiers said:

As has been noted before, Maxie's main problem is his run up to kick.

If he runs straight, he kicks to the left. He should be reminded that he must run at an angle to the goals to allow for his left hook.

Practice will make perfect.

I think his problem is for longer kicks he needs the arc run up to acquire the extra distance.

Shorter set shots say 40 and under ....the arc isn't really needed and he is probably being instructed and/or just naturally looking to run straight at a target he wants to kick too.

The arc is needed for distance, but it then brings in an unnecessary degree of uncertainty to the direction (via a natural hook from that arc).

I believe Buddy had similar issues at one point here as he was using the same style with longer vs shorter set shots?

IMV Max's conundrum certainly 'partly' lies with the decision as to when/whether to arc or just run straight.  Along with the exhaustion factor that all kicker's face of course.

However his other problem lies with his last step, which when running in he appeared to solve at times this season and late last season.  However, he STILL hasn't eradicated this fault.

If you watch his last planting foot that he kicks off he sometimes plants it out to the left like a duck's foot.  Other times he manages to keep it straight at the target he's wanting to kick through.

When the foot is planted too severly too the left, this leaves his right kicking leg with pretty much no option but to swing/follow through in that direction also, rather than follow straight through in the direction/motion/target he was intending to run to and follow through to with the kicking leg/foot.

Most of the time (if he plants the left foot on too much of a left angle...duck footed) it will unintentionally cause a hook on the ball, regardless of whether running on the arc for distance or running straight at a target between the goals with a shorter kick.

If it happens on and arc you also get a double effect to the hook, resulting in a severe hook vs a mild (natural) hook resulting just from the arc motion.  This will often see him miss entirely & kick it OOTF or falling short to the left pocket.

This is where his variation of hook comes in.  Then add the arc/no arc decision making.  Plus recovery factor.  You then have a number of variables and uncertainty creeping in.

He has said he is taking extra practice sessions this season.

Which has seen him go from a very low 34% in 2022 to a slightly better 41% so far.

This is still below his career average of 44% though.  It would be intersting to know where this % sits vs all other experienced main ruckman across the AFL.

So at some point he was generally better at set shots for some reason.  Maybe an age/fitness factor?

Edited June 27, 20232 yr by Demon Dynasty

On 6/20/2023 at 4:00 PM, Demonland said:

https://twitter.com/OliverGigacz/status/1671031754399043585?s=20

where are the MFC players????