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38 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Perhaps unsuccessful clubs like ours sometimes can’t handle success eg the May issue 

Surely the 'May Issue' has been overblown. No matter what the sport, what the circumstances, if you get a bunch of blokes together, when alcohol is involved, there is and always will be a potential for fireworks. It's hard enough to get a man and his wife to not niggle the bejesus out of each other during their 'team' internment, let alone a room full of Catholic Bishops from different diocese's, let alone a bunch of young blokes, all from different backgrounds and cultures. You imply that all 'Happy' teams contain no friction or personality clashes. May and Melksham are mates again, from what I gather.

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    On the topic of culture, I think we have serious issues with our leadership at the top.

    I’m reliably told Roffey has met with another club president recently, who found her to be “difficult & awkward.”

    My own experiences have left me less than impressed, including Roffey talking down about Casey, and Pert saying Casey are lucky to have us. 
    I recall a leadership conference for businesses in the Casey area run by Pert, where he espoused aspects of the culture at the club as exemplars and tried to get club staff in attendance to speak... but they all declined when put on the spot, as they didn’t want to have to announce they felt the opposite of what he was spruiking was actually true.

    Beyond that, we have little movement at the station in regards to a new training & administrative venue, to bring us under one roof instead of 26 scattered offices.

    I think our time at the top is likely over & the long contracts will weigh heavy around our necks, unless there is some significant change to come.

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    Ah yes the old, "Why doesn't this female exec let me do and say whatever I want?" criticism.

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    3 hours ago, Mach5 said:

    On the topic of culture, I think we have serious issues with our leadership at the top.

    I’m reliably told Roffey has met with another club president recently, who found her to be “difficult & awkward.”

    My own experiences have left me less than impressed, including Roffey talking down about Casey, and Pert saying Casey are lucky to have us. 
    I recall a leadership conference for businesses in the Casey area run by Pert, where he espoused aspects of the culture at the club as exemplars and tried to get club staff in attendance to speak... but they all declined when put on the spot, as they didn’t want to have to announce they felt the opposite of what he was spruiking was actually true.

    Beyond that, we have little movement at the station in regards to a new training & administrative venue, to bring us under one roof instead of 26 scattered offices.

    I think our time at the top is likely over & the long contracts will weigh heavy around our necks, unless there is some significant change to come.

    Yes it’s all Doom and Gloom

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    4 hours ago, Mach5 said:

    On the topic of culture, I think we have serious issues with our leadership at the top.

    I’m reliably told Roffey has met with another club president recently, who found her to be “difficult & awkward.”

    My own experiences have left me less than impressed, including Roffey talking down about Casey, and Pert saying Casey are lucky to have us. 
    I recall a leadership conference for businesses in the Casey area run by Pert, where he espoused aspects of the culture at the club as exemplars and tried to get club staff in attendance to speak... but they all declined when put on the spot, as they didn’t want to have to announce they felt the opposite of what he was spruiking was actually true.

    Beyond that, we have little movement at the station in regards to a new training & administrative venue, to bring us under one roof instead of 26 scattered offices.

    I think our time at the top is likely over & the long contracts will weigh heavy around our necks, unless there is some significant change to come.

    couldn't disagree more about our leadership - what you have said is contrary to everyone i know who has ever had any dealing with roffey, including myself and close acquaintances in business

    she and pert have also CONSTANTLY talked up a whole of club approach encompassing off field, afl, aflw, and vflw

    your experiences fortunately are nothing like others

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    23 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

    couldn't disagree more about our leadership - what you have said is contrary to everyone i know who has ever had any dealing with roffey, including myself and close acquaintances in business

    she and pert have also CONSTANTLY talked up a whole of club approach encompassing off field, afl, aflw, and vflw

    your experiences fortunately are nothing like others

    @Mach5 hasn't exactly been neutral on this topic in the past.

    That said, I have no inside knowledge and have no way of knowing who is right/wrong.

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    Clearly Roffey has pushed Mach5 in a puddle or something as he used to be one of my fav  posters.

    Now, our time at the top is likely over because another president doesn't like Roffey.

    I mean FMD. 

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    5 minutes ago, A F said:

    Clearly Roffey has pushed Mach5 in a puddle or something as he used to be one of my fav  posters.

    Now, our time at the top is likely over because another president doesn't like Roffey.

    I mean FMD. 

    Was that other president Eddie? 😂

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    5 hours ago, Mach5 said:

    On the topic of culture, I think we have serious issues with our leadership at the top.

    I’m reliably told Roffey has met with another club president recently, who found her to be “difficult & awkward.”

    My own experiences have left me less than impressed, including Roffey talking down about Casey, and Pert saying Casey are lucky to have us. 
    I recall a leadership conference for businesses in the Casey area run by Pert, where he espoused aspects of the culture at the club as exemplars and tried to get club staff in attendance to speak... but they all declined when put on the spot, as they didn’t want to have to announce they felt the opposite of what he was spruiking was actually true.

    Beyond that, we have little movement at the station in regards to a new training & administrative venue, to bring us under one roof instead of 26 scattered offices.

    I think our time at the top is likely over & the long contracts will weigh heavy around our necks, unless there is some significant change to come.

    I know you hate Pert but are you going start on Kate Roffey now. Everyone is difficult and awkward at times. I'm difficult and awkward if I don't have my morning caffeine hit.

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    The reason we didn't go further this year is because our best players were beaten up after a long campaign last year, straight into this year. Our incredibly tough fixture in the 2nd half of the year compounded this. 

    We gambled heavily on making top 4 and winning the first final.  We achieved the former but missed the latter. We really needed another week off.

    We moved Brayshaw into the midfield because Clarrie, Trac and Viney were so banged up and that was a good move I hope we persist with next year.

    You can say we should have used Chandler, JVR and Dunstan to give players a rest, but I don't think they would have enabled us to win enough to make top 4.

    We could have accepted that we'd have to win it from outside top 4.  Maybe that would have been more prudent.

    Our game plan is super taxing and that makes it very hard to back up. Very few teams have gone back to back after their breakthrough year.  The way we play we can win more flags but don't expect consecutive ones.

    We don't have a culture problem.  Look no further than the Dogs, Port and Essendon for last year's finalists with culture problems.

    Look at Casey this isn't a club with culture problems.

    Maybe the OP would be happier down at Linton St.

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    Counted at least 7 senior listed players at Ikon Park today supporting our guys and around 8 former players. 

    Definitely crap culture.

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    6 minutes ago, layzie said:

    Counted at least 7 senior listed players at Ikon Park today supporting our guys and around 8 former players. 

    Definitely crap culture.

    Gawn, Bowey, Salem, Fritsch, Harmes, Yze, Spargo... Was Simon Goodwin there?

     

     

     

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    1 minute ago, ElDiablo14 said:

    Gawn, Bowey, Salem, Fritsch, Harmes, Yze, Spargo... Was Simon Goodwin there?

     

     

     

    Not sure but pretty sure Chocco was.

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    Had an interesting  convo with a club insider during the Casey grand final.

    Said we had too many players carrying injuries into the finals in Lever, Salem, Petracca , Jackson , B. Brown and Oliver, and that Fritsch who couldn’t jump because of a knee issue and Gawn with a sore foot shouldn’t have even played.

    Reckons that bar injury we will be back with a vengeance next year.

    Also said Joel Smith was offered a contract on low money which he didn’t accept and almost went to Sydney who offered him a 3 year deal.( Longmire is his godfather).

    MFC came back and upped the offer so he decided to stay.

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    19 minutes ago, layzie said:

    Counted at least 7 senior listed players at Ikon Park today supporting our guys and around 8 former players. 

    Definitely crap culture.

    There were many more than 7...

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    1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

    @Mach5 hasn't exactly been neutral on this topic in the past.

    That said, I have no inside knowledge and have no way of knowing who is right/wrong.

     

    1 hour ago, BDA said:

    I know you hate Pert but are you going start on Kate Roffey now. Everyone is difficult and awkward at times. I'm difficult and awkward if I don't have my morning caffeine hit.


    I’m absolutely neutral, in that I don’t have any personal dislike for either of these people. But the evidence just keeps piling up and I’m concerned with the future success of the club above all else. I don’t believe they’re the right people to take us forward, they’ve just benefited from the work of those before them.

    Difficult & awkward is only the beginning, but it should be enough. “Hard to like” was another quote.

    Of Roffey, I’d say her greatest strength has been the fact she is not Glenn Bartlett. I’m not sure what else she’s got.

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    11 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

    Had an interesting  convo with a club insider during the Casey grand final.

    Said we had too many players carrying injuries into the finals in Lever, Salem, Petracca , Jackson , B. Brown and Oliver, and that Fritsch who couldn’t jump because of a knee issue and Gawn with a sore foot shouldn’t have even played.

    Reckons that bar injury we will be back with a vengeance next year.

    Also said Joel Smith was offered a contract on low money which he didn’t accept and almost went to Sydney who offered him a 3 year deal.( Longmire is his godfather).

    MFC came back and upped the offer so he decided to stay.

    Yep, the hidden injury list has not been taken into account by a lot of gloomers and doomers on this site.

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    4 minutes ago, Monbon said:

    There were many more than 7...

    I don't doubt it. Enhances my point 

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    2 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

    couldn't disagree more about our leadership - what you have said is contrary to everyone i know who has ever had any dealing with roffey, including myself and close acquaintances in business

    she and pert have also CONSTANTLY talked up a whole of club approach encompassing off field, afl, aflw, and vflw

    your experiences fortunately are nothing like others


    I’d say maybe I’ve been relayed accounts of and exposed to more of their “real” selves in that case.

     

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    Just now, Mach5 said:

    I’d say maybe I’ve been relayed accounts of and exposed to more of their “real” selves in that case.

    so you're going on pure hearsay then?

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    Just now, whatwhat say what said:

    so you're going on pure hearsay then?

    Not at all. There’s 2 factors there. What I’ve been exposed to and opinions of others to boot, i.e. it’s not my perception alone.

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    7 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

     


    But the evidence just keeps piling up

    And where is it? You continually make these statements without ever showing any examples 

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