42 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Grundy has not been in the Best 22, since early in the Season. We have all seen that. But this is September, and I hope The Selectors seriously consider Brodie, in the 23 as a Back up for The Ruck duties. 

Max Gawn will be targeted, Hit hard, repeatedly by opponents. We must be proactive in countering this. I will be very disappointed and angry if Grundy is in the Grandstand whilst Max is copping Physical assault.

 

Prepare to be disappointed and angry…

…and whatever emotion is left because I still think we’ll win… 

…horny?

13 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Prepare to be disappointed and angry…

…and whatever emotion is left because I still think we’ll win… 

…horny?

Let’s wait and see. Selection will be fascinating….

2 hours ago, rpfc said:

If Gawn doesn’t do a knee and we do have Grundy on the list - how does Grundy play AFL footy next year?

By Gawn learning to play with a second ruck again.

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Grundy has not been in the Best 22, since early in the Season. We have all seen that. But this is September, and I hope The Selectors seriously consider Brodie, in the 23 as a Back up for The Ruck duties. 

Max Gawn will be targeted, Hit hard, repeatedly by opponents. We must be proactive in countering this. I will be very disappointed and angry if Grundy is in the Grandstand whilst Max is copping Physical assault.

 

Gawn is an adult.

He's copped the physical attention all his career and has 6 All Australians to back up his performances.

He'll be right.

19 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

By Gawn learning to play with a second ruck again.

He needs a chop out but we always needed a forward who can ruck and not a flat out ruck - Goodwin thought in 2022 that we could turn Gawn into that forward who rucks and it was a mistake. A mistake that Gawn can’t stop waxing lyrical about. Just go and get that forward who can ruck. Got plenty of cash (if Grundy leaves), picks and clout - just get it done.

Edited September 3, 20231 yr by rpfc

8 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Gawn is an adult.

He's copped the physical attention all his career and has 6 All Australians to back up his performances.

He'll be right.

He is also a Year older….

9 hours ago, IRW said:

Out injured?

This September or next?

ps TMac is also likely to be out injured...this game or next.

Yeah it's obscure. 

Grundy is an AA footballer currently on the MFC list.

TMac imo is about 2 games away from another career ending injury and Gawn is too old to return from any serious knee / leg injury to any real level. 

Why get rid of Grundy?

It's only a matter of time before they need him or someone like him, and sooner rather than later.

Find a way to make it work ffs

Edited September 3, 20231 yr by IRW

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

He is also a Year older….

He's got 1 game before he potentially gets a week off then 2 after that.

He'll be fine.

On 9/2/2023 at 11:16 AM, rpfc said:

He’s not playing AFL and he is on $650k, if he was in good form he would be playing.

Im sorry but reality doesn’t see what you see.

I’m not convinced you are correct. I think he’s now worth more than we paid last year and it’s not relevant. We paid for a ruckman that had a massive injury cloud over him and was only fit sporadically for over more than 12 months. He has low proven to be fit and capable, only being kept out of the side by the league’s best ruckman and the fact he’s an ordinary forward. He’s also worth a lot more to Port than he was to us (back-up vs missing piece).

I think we will work to get him to Port if it’s his preference, but should be asking for a pick around 20 and not pay a cent of his salary going forward. 

Port can play hardball but that will only bring Sydney into play as a real option.

36 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

I’m not convinced you are correct. I think he’s now worth more than we paid last year and it’s not relevant. We paid for a ruckman that had a massive injury cloud over him and was only fit sporadically for over more than 12 months. He has low proven to be fit and capable, only being kept out of the side by the league’s best ruckman and the fact he’s an ordinary forward. He’s also worth a lot more to Port than he was to us (back-up vs missing piece).

I think we will work to get him to Port if it’s his preference, but should be asking for a pick around 20 and not pay a cent of his salary going forward. 

Port can play hardball but that will only bring Sydney into play as a real option.

More than that we need another backup, if Gawn went down round 1 next year we would be screwed unless we can secure someone else. Unless we can find someone and at net be no worse off we should hold onto Grundy until such a time as we can fill that gap.

9 hours ago, Mach5 said:

I’m not convinced you are correct. I think he’s now worth more than we paid last year and it’s not relevant. We paid for a ruckman that had a massive injury cloud over him and was only fit sporadically for over more than 12 months. He has low proven to be fit and capable, only being kept out of the side by the league’s best ruckman and the fact he’s an ordinary forward. He’s also worth a lot more to Port than he was to us (back-up vs missing piece).

I think we will work to get him to Port if it’s his preference, but should be asking for a pick around 20 and not pay a cent of his salary going forward. 

Port can play hardball but that will only bring Sydney into play as a real option.

He will have a preference and we hopefully want to free up the cap space for first 18 player - both things negate whatever increase in value Grundy has seen in this ‘fit and capable’ year. 

8 hours ago, Garbo said:

More than that we need another backup, if Gawn went down round 1 next year we would be screwed unless we can secure someone else. Unless we can find someone and at net be no worse off we should hold onto Grundy until such a time as we can fill that gap.

Absolutely Garbo.

We move on Grundy if and when we have a PLan B for Max backup, otherwise we lose our once-in-a-generation midfield opportunity. JT may be working on this aspect.

Football is a business, as Grundy himself noted. We are not duty-bound to get him a game elsewhere unless it is detrimental to the clubs internal culture and he needs to move on.

If it was to be dry (and probably not) I could see Grundy playing this week.

14 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Grundy has not been in the Best 22, since early in the Season. We have all seen that. But this is September, and I hope The Selectors seriously consider Brodie, in the 23 as a Back up for The Ruck duties. 

Max Gawn will be targeted, Hit hard, repeatedly by opponents. We must be proactive in countering this. I will be very disappointed and angry if Grundy is in the Grandstand whilst Max is copping Physical assault.

 

SWYL the overriding feeling I have with this game is that if the worst happens, the very last thought I want to have is whether we could have used Grundy in this game. 

Strategically I probably wouldn't consider this but finals are much more than strategy. If Max does get romped and stomped and we've got this guy in the stands who used to give all these rucks bath time routines at training it won't sit well. We've also got some great intel on those guys and can maybe push their buttons for a change. Mason Cox needs to become the hunted, he's had a free run as hunter for way too long. 

Not saying he should be in the 22 but for me this is why you have a tactical sub. 

15 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

He's got 1 game before he potentially gets a week off then 2 after that.

He'll be fine.

I am well aware of all that mate. I also know that The Filth, ARE that one game. 
Norm Smith made his career by beating Collingwood. The hate and loathe us!!

Max will be the Target 

Edited September 4, 20231 yr by Sir Why You Little

2 hours ago, layzie said:

SWYL the overriding feeling I have with this game is that if the worst happens, the very last thought I want to have is whether we could have used Grundy in this game. 

Strategically I probably wouldn't consider this but finals are much more than strategy. If Max does get romped and stomped and we've got this guy in the stands who used to give all these rucks bath time routines at training it won't sit well. We've also got some great intel on those guys and can maybe push their buttons for a change. Mason Cox needs to become the hunted, he's had a free run as hunter for way too long. 

Not saying he should be in the 22 but for me this is why you have a tactical sub. 

Yes. I want Cox Targeted. Exactly. He has sent Max to the Bench before 

Have Grundy ready….

On that, consider a hypothetical where Gawn goes down with an ACL during the finals series.

Do we stick with Grundy, who surely will have made plans elsewhere and have a foot out the door, but may be willing to stay?

Or do we abort the pick 1 attempt & go chips in for a proper longterm ruck solution like Sean Darcy?

For mine that would dovetail nicely with Kalani White’s entry to the list. No pressure kid.

15 hours ago, rpfc said:

 Just go and get that forward who can ruck. Got plenty of cash (if Grundy leaves), picks and clout - just get it done.

So easy to say, so hard to do. 
 

Who?

Edited September 4, 20231 yr by Slartibartfast

2 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

 Just go and get that forward who can ruck. Got plenty of cash (if Grundy leaves), picks and clout - just get it done.

So easy to say, so hard to do. 
 

Who?

Rumours of Lynch?

Just now, Mach5 said:

Rumours of Lynch?

Not at Grundy’s salary!

Do you really believe them?  Where did they come from? I’m very sceptical.  

6 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

 Just go and get that forward who can ruck. Got plenty of cash (if Grundy leaves), picks and clout - just get it done.

So easy to say, so hard to do. 
 

Who?

Even harder to quote.

 

I don’t know - anyone who is a chance of playing in the team would be a start.

8 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

Not at Grundy’s salary!

Do you really believe them?  Where did they come from? I’m very sceptical.  

Not in the slightest! But would appear to be a short term solve for us.

Something tells me we are going to see some eye opening twists to this whole saga later this week and/or beyond to the end of the season.

Edited September 4, 20231 yr by John Crow Batty

33 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

On that, consider a hypothetical where Gawn goes down with an ACL during the finals series.

Do we stick with Grundy, who surely will have made plans elsewhere and have a foot out the door, but may be willing to stay?

Or do we abort the pick 1 attempt & go chips in for a proper longterm ruck solution like Sean Darcy?

For mine that would dovetail nicely with Kalani White’s entry to the list. No pressure kid.

Grundy is a competitor. If a spot opened up to go and win a flag you don't think he'd give it his all to win one? Of course he would.

He's 29, this may well be his only chance.

I have no doubt that if Gawn is injured Grundy will come straight in and give it 100%! 

 

28 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Even harder to quote.

 

I don’t know - anyone who is a chance of playing in the team would be a start.

Yeh, I'm not much good posting from a phone!  But I think finding the appropriate person would be harder!

Look, I agree Grundy is gone, we mightn't get much, but finding a best 22 player is not easy given our depth.  Most of our best 22 have good contracts.  IMO more likely we'll look for a player like Flynn who isn't a forward but can play in Max's spot if he's injured.

Lynch looks to be on a heavily back ended deal which would make for a problem unless Tigers kick in reasonable dollars.

With the wonderful benefit of hindsight Lobb might have been a better target but Grundy at $650k was seemingly too good to pass up