CHANGES: Rd 13 vs Collingwood

[rpfc 27,642]

With Goodwin confirming to 3AW that McDonald has what looks like a ‘lisfranc’ issue with his foot - that might be him for the year.

That leads us exposed forward of the footy. There is very little forward craft between the players and perhaps we need to shift players around to find something that works; Tomlinson, Daw, keeping Mitch Brown… got to think about all options. TMac wasn’t destined for the forward line until Weideman and Brown got injured at the start of last year…

[Wodjathefirst 2,423]

15 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Whole fwd line need to sort out patterns 

Not to forget that the delivery to the forwards from the mids also has to looked at and improved.  The forwards are part of the problem, but definitely not the entire problem.

Geez I hope we get it sorted for the Queens birthday clash.

Edited June 5, 2022 by Wodjathefirst

[#-11TonyAnderson 28]

Would like to see some low passes to our moving forwards (like Sydney did) and only M. Brown, Trac and Harmes managed it last night. The long bombs are too predictable and easy to defend.

[Bring Back Barassi 546]

22 minutes ago, rpfc said:

With Goodwin confirming to 3AW that McDonald has what looks like a ‘lisfranc’ issue with his foot - that might be him for the year.

That leads us exposed forward of the footy. There is very little forward craft between the players and perhaps we need to shift players around to find something that works; Tomlinson, Daw, keeping Mitch Brown… got to think about all options. TMac wasn’t destined for the forward line until Weideman and Brown got injured at the start of last year…

Horrific injury, could well be career ending

[one_demon 826]

2 hours ago, Garbo said:

Keep Tomlinson down back and put petty up fwd he showed in 2019 I think he can kick goals

You really want to play Tomlinson in defence ahead of Petty after yesterday's performance?

[Ted Lasso 17,125]

1 minute ago, one_demon said:

You really want to play Tomlinson in defence ahead of Petty after yesterday's performance?

I think our defense is our strength, we can find another target but it'd pointless if we compromise that.

[one_demon 826]

1 hour ago, RedLegs23 said:

Tommo has not one attribute that would suggest he could make a positive impact up forward. He barely does as a backman.

You'll never know unless you try

Edited June 5, 2022 by one_demon

[Gawndy the Great 7,716]

4 hours ago, loges said:

What about Weid's history of poor games?

I agree - people have such short memories. If Weid comes in for BBB, Moore will just play off him and rebound most of our F50 entries 

[Ted Lasso 17,125]

I hope the club considers bringing in an external person like Jonothan Brown as a consultant to work with the forwards on their forward craft and spacing, it's a mess down there at the moment. 

[Lord Nev 13,511]

Just now, CYB said:

I agree - people have such short memories. If Weid comes in for BBB, Moore will just play off him and rebound most of our F50 entries 

For reference...

Contested marks - Brown 0.8, Weid 1.3
Marks inside 50 - Brown 1.4, Weid 1.5
Tackles - Brown 0.6, Weid 1.2
Contested possessions - Brown 4.2, Weid 4.7

But tell us more how much worse we'll be at the moment with Weid instead of Brown (who hasn't kicked a goal for 3 weeks).
 

 

[Ted Lasso 17,125]

6 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

For reference...

Contested marks - Brown 0.8, Weid 1.3
Marks inside 50 - Brown 1.4, Weid 1.5
Tackles - Brown 0.6, Weid 1.2
Contested possessions - Brown 4.2, Weid 4.7

But tell us more how much worse we'll be at the moment with Weid instead of Brown (who hasn't kicked a goal for 3 weeks).
 

 

The biggest difference for me LN is that even with Brown this out of form he doesn't appear to get outmarked nearly as often as SW does, which is a huge concern for him. 

I suspect if we're going to win the flag we will need one, but probably both of them to find some serious form heading into finals

[whatwhat say what 19,718]

i'll say it right now - no plugger, no premiership

he's the eden-monaro of our side since he became a permanent forward

[DeeZee 6,853]

Out - Thommo, Hunt, Ben Brown, Sparrow

In May, Hibberd/Rivers, Daw/Weed Bedford 

Daw or Weed  in to cover the ruck with Jacko

Hibberd or Rivers are better backs than Hunt.

Gawn played as a permanent centre half  forward . Marks, kicks goals and and works up to mark the kick ins.

Edited June 5, 2022 by DeeZee

[Wodjathefirst 2,423]

No matter what the make up of the forward line set up is going to be, I would love to see the mids get more creative and in particularly, quicker with their entries to the forwards. 

It appears to me that we have become a little too slow and predictable going forward. This enables the opposition to roll back and defend, particularly when we just end up then kicking  to a pack.

A bit of creative quick ‘controlled chaos’ footy going forward could be the go. Bring it in quick, so that at the very least if the forwards are not in a position to mark it they bring the ball to the deck and let our smaller forwards have more opportunity to get busy.  May help us get some mojo back.  Success breeds success.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

18 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

The biggest difference for me LN is that even with Brown this out of form he doesn't appear to get outmarked nearly as often as SW does, which is a huge concern for him.

 

26 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Contested marks - Brown 0.8, Weid 1.3
Marks inside 50 - Brown 1.4, Weid 1.5

 

[Gawndy the Great 7,716]

47 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

For reference...

Contested marks - Brown 0.8, Weid 1.3
Marks inside 50 - Brown 1.4, Weid 1.5
Tackles - Brown 0.6, Weid 1.2
Contested possessions - Brown 4.2, Weid 4.7

But tell us more how much worse we'll be at the moment with Weid instead of Brown (who hasn't kicked a goal for 3 weeks).
 

 

A statless act is competing and bringing the ball to ground. BBB at least does that whereas Weid is pushed under for an oppo mark or spoiled over the line. Moore will brutalise him if he even plays on him. My guess (if he plays) is Weid will take the 2nd tall and still be outplayed. 

I don’t hate the guy but I’m no longer blinded through my Demon goggles. I had high hopes for this kid but im a realist and cannot see where and how he is going to change in 1 month if he hasn’t changed in 4 years. Not sure where you are getting your faith from Nev but I am no longer drinking that Weid coolaid.  

Edited June 5, 2022 by CYB

[DemonWA 3,536]

1 hour ago, rpfc said:

With Goodwin confirming to 3AW that McDonald has what looks like a ‘lisfranc’ issue with his foot - that might be him for the year.

That leads us exposed forward of the footy. There is very little forward craft between the players and perhaps we need to shift players around to find something that works; Tomlinson, Daw, keeping Mitch Brown… got to think about all options. TMac wasn’t destined for the forward line until Weideman and Brown got injured at the start of last year…

As long as they don't take Petty out of the backline I'm fine with trying something new. Daw and Tommo are probably the ones who they could try forward in leiu of Weid or MBrown and it wouldn't impact us too much. Gus Brayshaw might help too- he's a great 1 on 1 player and mark and we might be better served having him on a HFF now Salem is back. 

 

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,988]

Our defence is a large part of what made us premiers last year and went 10 & 0 to start this season even though our key fwds have been out of sorts. Tomlinson was out of his depth last night, he was clearly rattled. May, Petty & Lever must remain together in defence . We still have the best defence in the comp, the best ruck duo and arguably the best midfield. I couldn’t care what Weids stats are at any level, he has no physical presence at the moment, so the .4’s and .6’s mean nothing. Time to try something different. Drop a tall and bring in Bedford or for something completely different bring in Daw. 

[Gawndy the Great 7,716]

3 minutes ago, DemonWA said:

As long as they don't take Petty out of the backline I'm fine with trying something new. Daw and Tommo are probably the ones who they could try forward in leiu of Weid or MBrown and it wouldn't impact us too much. Gus Brayshaw might help too- he's a great 1 on 1 player and mark and we might be better served having him on a HFF now Salem is back. 

 

One of Bowey, Salem or Brayshaw would be well served in the HF I think. But they were all kicking terrible last night. 

[DeeZee 6,853]

Put Brayshaw back on the other wing too.

Put the Premiership back line together.

Jordons been in good form so put him in the mid rotation more .

Edited June 5, 2022 by DeeZee

[COOLX 145]

in May , Petty forward ,  in T.Mac  out Brown out other Brown.  Possibly Daw could used forward and or ruck. Gawn could play forward or defence. out Hunt in Hibbard or Rivers. 

[Gawndy the Great 7,716]

In : May, Hibbo, Bedford

Out : Hunt, Sparrow, BBB

Petty May Lever

Bowey Tommo Salem 

Brayshaw Viney Langdon

Trac Oliver Dogga

Fritta, Gawn (FF) , Kozzy

Bedford, M Brown, Spargs

Bench: JJ, ANB, Hibbo, Harmes

I think Tommo would match up well on Cox so stays in the side IMO. May can take on Miochek and Petty can take The 3rd tall if he’s fit to play . This will free up Lever to play the loose / interceptor.

If Petty goes out, Hunt stays in.

Bowey on Ginoven  and Salem can play a higher  HB with Hibbo coming in.

Hunt comes out and Brayshaw moves to the wing . 

Forward line is anyones guess but Weid and BBB not up for it atm.

 

 

[bing181 8,227]

6 hours ago, binman said:

Ni doubt in my mind we are loading. 

Perhaps, but I'd be interested to see any evidence for it apart from "they look tired".

Apart from the fact that it's too early in the year to be building for (checks notes) September, ... there's the idea that has been floated on here that of course they're loading because "everyone does it". But if everyone does it, how come our opponents aren't also flagging during games?

Don't believe it myself. Footy is as much mental as physical, and there are only so many times you can go to the self-belief well when you're being hammered by a competitive team who are on their game, as has been the case these last 2 weeks. (And will be next week.)

[Mr Steve 3,820]

What wrong with playing Dogga as a forward and Daws in the ruck with Gawn.

[Wodjathefirst 2,423]

6 hours ago, binman said:

Ni doubt in my mind we are loading. 

Why?

Because, one,  you can see they are not covering the ground, are unusually fumbly and in the last two weeks are shaged at the end of quaters and the whole second half.

And two, this is exactly what happened last year at exactly the same point in the year, including our sudden inability to score and stop the opposition marking the ball.

I won't be surprised if we lose next week too.

I am soooo hoping that you are right about ‘loading’.

I was even accepting that there was a real chance that we could drop next week’s game against the ferals.  The aim of the game is of course September. 

But I just saw the ferals get over the line against Hawthorn and my most love to hate player in the comp is now Ginnivan (he even surpasses Weidman from Footscray playing for frees and that is  no easy feat).

So noooooooo, we have to beat them come what may.