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I have to say I love the old school 'leadership group' comprising just the skipper and VC.

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2 minutes ago, binman said:

I have to say I love the old school 'leadership group' comprising just the skipper and VC.

I would say we would have a much wider leadership group which is often spoken about by other players. It's just not advertised as it's unnecessary.

We also have a leadership academy for young players too which I believe is lead by Choco. 

I know that Lever and ANB are both in the extended leadership group.

 

I’d like a Deputy VC (May or Lever would be my pick) to have a clear chain of leadership positions should both Jack and Max be unavailable but I imagine such a thing does exist internally; it’s just the official roles presented by the club is Max captain, Jack vice captain. 

Hard to argue with the pair bring the premiership home!

9 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I would say we would have a much wider leadership group which is often spoken about by other players. It's just not advertised as it's unnecessary.

We also have a leadership academy for young players too which I believe is lead by Choco. 

I know that Lever and ANB are both in the extended leadership group.

Lever and ANB both strike me as the sort of players who could forge a career in coaching post playing career. Many successful coaches were like Neal-Bullen, not overly gifted but got the very most out of themselves and by example, out of others. Jake Lever on the other hand is a leader and gifted!


30 minutes ago, Dee Dee said:

Lever and ANB both strike me as the sort of players who could forge a career in coaching post playing career. Many successful coaches were like Neal-Bullen, not overly gifted but got the very most out of themselves and by example, out of others. Jake Lever on the other hand is a leader and gifted!

Clarko..

One that doesn't get enough credit here I think is Viney.  Some would not be able to bounce back from being demoted from captain - and I feared that someone who bleeds for the club and is as proud as Viney, he might find it harder than most.  

Though we have no idea how it works internally, clearly he's found a way to make it work.  While I always cringe when he is the spokesperson for the club, there's no doubt that Viney would be a critical driver of the high standards and the hardness required for success in the AFL.  

 
34 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

One that doesn't get enough credit here I think is Viney.  Some would not be able to bounce back from being demoted from captain - and I feared that someone who bleeds for the club and is as proud as Viney, he might find it harder than most.  

Though we have no idea how it works internally, clearly he's found a way to make it work.  While I always cringe when he is the spokesperson for the club, there's no doubt that Viney would be a critical driver of the high standards and the hardness required for success in the AFL.  

I think Viney becoming a father has really changed him for the better.

It looks like he's been able to forge a bond with some of the 'dads' and find a better balance of family and footy.

Gawn is someone who naturally just connects with people, young, old, it doesn't matter, he gets people. Viney is a follow me into battle, I will lead you there and I will die for you there type leader. I think they are very ying and yang but they balance each other perfectly. Player know they can go to Gawn if they are struggling emotionally or mentally for support, and to Viney if they need help with training standards, injury management or understanding their role on the field.

Gawn is definitely the better of the two in the media, he is a great communicator, whereas I think Viney leads with his actions and players really respect that. Everyone feels invincible walking next to Viney on the field because they know he will have their back and give everything he has out there. 

2 hours ago, binman said:

I have to say I love the old school 'leadership group' comprising just the skipper and VC.

It’s great. 

It also avoids the nonsense every year about who is and out of the 7 or 8 man LG.


Spoiler alert: Jack Viney wasn't the one crying (as if you needed to know that).

5 hours ago, rpfc said:

It’s great. 

It also avoids the nonsense every year about who is and out of the 7 or 8 man LG.

That's a really good point.

You're right, any 'demotion' became a story. And an unhelpful distraction 

Melksham must be pleased too, given if there was a 7 man LG he should have been in it. And wouldn't have been.

7 hours ago, binman said:

I have to say I love the old school 'leadership group' comprising just the skipper and VC.

If it is Old School leadership, surely Gawny will be doing this down at the Sorrento Hotel next time Goody and him get on the cans... 😉

will ferrell frank the tank GIF


18 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Nothing wrong with that emotion, Chook.

Fair point. 

51 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Didn't wanna start a new thread when the doco airs tomorrow, but felt apt to post this here...

 

Interesting.

I remember there was talk after our loss to Port in round 1 that Neeld had gotten Jack (among other younger players) to critique his teammates. How willing he was in doing this was up for debate.  I wasn't aware he came back for a second crack. 

Bluntly, not much more could be said really besides what Jack said. After getting poleaxed in round one, the entire list was basically in survival mode. 1%ers were non existent as everyone was trying to get the type of stats that superficially catch the eye but are tough to pull off without cooperation of teammates.

8 hours ago, Dee Dee said:

Lever and ANB both strike me as the sort of players who could forge a career in coaching post playing career. Many successful coaches were like Neal-Bullen, not overly gifted but got the very most out of themselves and by example, out of others. Jake Lever on the other hand is a leader and gifted!

Watch ANB in Q4 of the GF how he speaks to the other players after Fritsch scores both his goals. It seems to me that he was reminding them all the the game wasn't over even with such a big lead. Worth developing his on field leadership.


4 minutes ago, Dee man said:

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Mitch Clark to me was an odd choice for a leader considering how much he was battling with off field. Why even put that extra pressure on him? 

It is as if we went “hey you’re from a different club that’s better than us, have a leadership role” (see also Dawes)


Edit: gotta lol at the headline “the next step” hear from Mark Neeld.
Spoiler alter: Next step was Centrelink. 

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1 hour ago, Dee man said:

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Bloody hell were they dark times. Just looking at that incredibly bloated leadership group, you can get a decent sense of how off the rails the joint was.

Two of those blokes (Col and Jordie) shouldn't have been in merely because they were good ordinary players. Col, as good a servant as he was, tended to drop his head a bit as well when the tide turned.

The two Jacks were having their careers incinerated before their eyes because of the idiotic decision to give them the captaincy before they were ready. They need two to three more years and more senior footy under their belts before that was considered.

Mitch Clark shouldn't have gotten the gig for reasons previously pointed out (i.e. his foot was stuffed), but I also struggle to remember a time when anyone at either Melbourne or the Lions had pegged him as a leader.

Dawesy and Shagger Byrnes would get into many leadership groups. However, the former hadn't been at the club long enough and was copping enough stick about getting paid overs. The bit about not being at the club long enough also applied to the latter but he was also close to be pensioned off by us as well.

That would leave Chip and Chunk. I would have been more than comfortable having them in the lead roles, but sadly common sense was in short supply at the MFC at the time.

4 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Didn't wanna start a new thread when the doco airs tomorrow, but felt apt to post this here...

 

Tom Morris who on the Fox Footy podcast after the grand final thought that Salem would never be more than a soft outside flanker (or words to that effect).

Salem was never that and I can’t stand Morris.

 
10 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Tom Morris who on the Fox Footy podcast after the grand final thought that Salem would never be more than a soft outside flanker (or words to that effect).

Salem was never that and I can’t stand Morris.

He’s your classic Dees supporter that would prefer to ingratiate himself with supporters of other teams by talking down MFC players, chances, and supporters.

There’s a few of those sorry people about, unfortunately.

I was hoping Tomorrow nights show was all about Season 2021 and The GF. 

I don’t want to go back to 2013, it’s already been thrashed out

Careers were killed, lives were lost

We were being run like a circus 

Disappointed all that sh.it is going to be raised again


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