KNEEL (down) DANIHER

[BAMF 4,299]

its not his fault they cant kick, cant tackle, cant bloody mark and we've got a debilitating injury list.

Neale Danniher is employed to teach the players to kick tackle and mark.

If its not his fault then whos is it?

There is something wrong with the way he coaches.

All the kids come to our club as 'HUGE POTENTIAL" and somewhere along the line never quite make it.

[who killed ame? 0]

Neale Danniher is employed to teach the players to kick tackle and mark.

If its not his fault then whos is it?

There is something wrong with the way he coaches.

All the kids come to our club as 'HUGE POTENTIAL" and somewhere along the line never quite make it.

i would say the blame rest squarly on the shoulders of the players.

on paper, todays team, if they played to their potential, should have been better then they acted. they should have been competitive!

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

i would say the blame rest squarly on the shoulders of the players.

on paper, todays team, if they played to their potential, should have been better then they acted. they should have been competitive!

In football culture history has shown the coach is the primary scapegoat but the players should be lynched for their insipid efforts.

[maximum bob 462]

Calls for ND's head before the season is over are naive in the extreme. One thing Paul Gardner and the board have tried to do, and successfully, is to bring some emotional and financial stability to a club that has a recent history of imploding when things go pear-shape.

ND may well go at season's end. But that will only happen if the Board has done its homework and have identified someone else who could do a better job. There probably is, exactly who I wouldn't know right now, but there won't be a sudden rush of bloodletting by sacking the coach mid-season that will sink the club deeper in the mire.

There is nothing surer than ND coaching the season out.

[who killed ame? 0]

In football culture history has shown the coach is the primary scapegoat but the players should be lynched for their insipid efforts.

exactly!

it was painful to watch. these guys have so much potential.

espicially yze.

[Real Demon 232]

i should have taken the extra shift i was offered at work >.<

i dont agree with the whole get rid of daniher now mentality.

it wouldn't be good for the team.

its not his fault they cant kick, cant tackle, cant bloody mark and we've got a debilitating injury list.

stop making daniher a scapegoat - its injuries & players that are the problem.

I used to think that too, but I no longer do.

If it is the players then why are they playing so poorly?

No motivated? Not good enough? What is it?

If they are not motivated, then we clearly have the wrong players at the club.......not good enough......then again, we have the wrong players.........who is responsible for that???

We didn't fire a shot in preseason, apart from a scratchy win over the Tiges (I think) and the rest of our play has been rubbish!

If the players aren't prepared and fired up for round one, two or three, then whose fault is it?

Injuries is a cop out! Sure we would love to always be full strength, but it's never going to happen. Plenty of clubs have injuries at the moment, but we seem to wallow in it the most, and we always have!

Collingwood came back from a Perth road trip, had no Buckley, Didak, Ben Johnson, Rusling and Clement........and they sent Tarrant packing at the end of last year.....yet they find a way to win over the Tiges!

Adelaide......no Riciutto, Hentschel, Biglands, McGregor, Johncock,.....still manage to back up from beating the Doggies by rolling the undefeated Power.....not an excuse in sight!

St.Kilda.........Ball, Maguire, Hudgton, Hamill, Riewoldt (until this week)

We are the experts at making excuses for injuries we really are.

In each of those examples, the coach has still been able to put a team on the park that is firstly competitive, and secondly has a chance to win. We have not looked like either at all during 2007!

I didn't expect us to win today, but I sure as hell expect us to be a lot more competitive!

P.S. I am not for sacking Daniher mid season, but we do need a change at season end, and the way things are going, this will take care of itself.

[who killed ame? 0]

I used to think that too, but I no longer do.

If it is the players then why are they playing so poorly?

No motivated? Not good enough? What is it?

If they are not motivated, then we clearly have the wrong players at the club.......not good enough......then again, we have the wrong players.........who is responsible for that???

We didn't fire a shot in preseason, apart from a scratchy win over the Tiges (I think) and the rest of our play has been rubbish!

If the players aren't prepared and fired up for round one, two or three, then whose fault is it?

Injuries is a cop out! Sure we would love to always be full strength, but it's never going to happen. Plenty of clubs have injuries at the moment, but we seem to wallow in it the most, and we always have!

Collingwood came back from a Perth road trip, had no Buckley, Didak, Ben Johnson, Rusling and Clement........and they sent Tarrant packing at the end of last year.....yet they find a way to win over the Tiges!

Adelaide......no Riciutto, Hentschel, Biglands, McGregor, Johncock,.....still manage to back up from beating the Doggies by rolling the undefeated Power.....not an excuse in sight!

St.Kilda.........Ball, Maguire, Hudgton, Hamill, Riewoldt (until this week)

We are the experts at making excuses for injuries we really are.

In each of those examples, the coach has still been able to put a team on the park that is firstly competitive, and secondly has a chance to win. We have not looked like either at all during 2007!

I didn't expect us to win today, but I sure as hell expect us to be a lot more competitive!

*bows down*

you have a (quite) point.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Calls for ND's head before the season is over are naive in the extreme. One thing Paul Gardner and the board have tried to do, and successfully, is to bring some emotional and financial stability to a club that has a recent history of imploding when things go pear-shape.

ND may well go at season's end. But that will only happen if the Board has done its homework and have identified someone else who could do a better job. There probably is, exactly who I wouldn't know right now, but there won't be a sudden rush of bloodletting by sacking the coach mid-season that will sink the club deeper in the mire.

There is nothing surer than ND coaching the season out.

Bob,

How will they be able to go into the market and interview prospective coaches without the media finding out and ND is still in the saddle?

If this season continues to be a disaster, I would expect ND and MFC Board to come to a mutual understanding that lets the Club move forward with its future with transparency of process.

FCS, I think ND will be sick of it anyway by then.

[who killed ame? 0]

Bob,

How will they be able to go into the market and interview prospective coaches without the media finding out and ND is still in the saddle?

If this season continues to be a disaster, I would expect ND and MFC Board to come to a mutual understanding that lets the Club move forward with its future with transparency of process.

FCS, I think ND will be sick of it anyway by then.

if, and this is a major if, ND is gonna leave, he should do it around the bye. getting a new coach with a break would work well - check out the team, has half a season with them, etc etc etc

i'm still a ND supporter tho.

[DemonDoug 0]

When you support MFC it pays to have a long memory so you can remember the (few and far between) high points. Like the 1987 finals ! I must admit today at half time I expected a 100 point flogging so I guess the fact that did not happen is some small consolation ! But we did win 11/12 last year so we must have been doing something right then. (But we lost twice to Carlton !!). Freeo are under pressure at 0/3 too so both are in the same boat, lets beat them next week and at least get some hope for later in the season.

[demonique 314]

I think the Reverand is delivering the same old sermon and its all falling on deaf ears, but tired old sermons do I'm afraid.If Neil Daniher stays to the end of the season we are in for a lot of heartache.

They are far too reactionary, they have just not got that spark, we can't blame the loss of a heap of injured players, we were hopeless with them in round one.

It just like a bunch of monkeys in charge of a Ferrari at the moment!!

[who killed ame? 0]

When you support MFC it pays to have a long memory so you can remember the (few and far between) high points. Like the 1987 finals ! I must admit today at half time I expected a 100 point flogging so I guess the fact that did not happen is some small consolation ! But we did win 11/12 last year so we must have been doing something right then. (But we lost twice to Carlton !!). Freeo are under pressure at 0/3 too so both are in the same boat, lets beat them next week and at least get some hope for later in the season.

i heard a lot of 'oh dont worry ame this used to happen a lot i remember whole seasons were we had 100pt floggings every week..'

i love going to the footy with old people ^^

[Real Demon 232]

i heard a lot of 'oh dont worry ame this used to happen a lot i remember whole seasons were we had 100pt floggings every week..'

i love going to the footy with old people ^^

May that nighmare never come back!

Thankfully the draft and salary cap stop that from happening like it used to.

[demoniac 1,330]

Daniher should announce his resignation when it becomes mathematically impossible for us to make the 8 as per Tony Shaw's departure from Collingwood. We can then have our new coach selection process up and running so we can make an appointment as soon possible - that may be after the Grand Final if a candidate is at a club in the finals.

This season was all about finishing in the top 4. Starting Zero and Three means that is but a pipe dream. Neale is by all accounts a decent and honourable man but it is clear that he is not a good coach. He must not coach Melbourne next year. 10 years is enough. We need the best Coach we can find, and it is clear that Daniher is not that Coach.

At least he leaves the list in better shape than his predecessor.

[Old Man Rivers 326]

Yes - perhaps you should have stayed home - you could have spent the afternoon teaching your son about LOYALTY!

Norm Smith would struggle to get a win out of the side we are able to field at the moment - take away players of the calibre of Neitz, Robbo, McLean, Rivers, Sylvia, Bartram, etc, etc, from any side and the too would struggle.

The past few years we have promised a lot and then been hit by injuries towards the end of the season - maybe we are getting all the bad luck early and will wind up with a huge end of season - the right end!!!

Anyone else share my optimism or are you all jumping off the bandwagon?

The kid hasn't missed a game in 6 years so dont give me that LOYALTY [censored].

He was simply expressing what 99% of us where thinking.

& while your hiding behind your injury excuse just remember The Cats had :

King - Nathan Ablett - Harley - Stephen Johnstone all missing.

Reality is we lack depth & a Coach willing to be creative.

Dont insult Norm Smith, he would of found a way to be competive @ the very least.

[wackojacko 25]

Listen to you lot...you should be ashamed.

IF

ND had a 'full strength" team to select from, then yes I would say on ya way mate.

BUT

We have no Neitz, Robbo, Bartram, McLean, Rivers , Pickett, Dunn, Sylvia.

and a Brent Moloney who is not fit at all.

think about it.

[dees64 104]

I used to think that too, but I no longer do.

If it is the players then why are they playing so poorly?

No motivated? Not good enough? What is it?

If they are not motivated, then we clearly have the wrong players at the club.......not good enough......then again, we have the wrong players.........who is responsible for that???

We didn't fire a shot in preseason, apart from a scratchy win over the Tiges (I think) and the rest of our play has been rubbish!

If the players aren't prepared and fired up for round one, two or three, then whose fault is it?

Injuries is a cop out! Sure we would love to always be full strength, but it's never going to happen. Plenty of clubs have injuries at the moment, but we seem to wallow in it the most, and we always have!

Collingwood came back from a Perth road trip, had no Buckley, Didak, Ben Johnson, Rusling and Clement........and they sent Tarrant packing at the end of last year.....yet they find a way to win over the Tiges!

Adelaide......no Riciutto, Hentschel, Biglands, McGregor, Johncock,.....still manage to back up from beating the Doggies by rolling the undefeated Power.....not an excuse in sight!

St.Kilda.........Ball, Maguire, Hudgton, Hamill, Riewoldt (until this week)

We are the experts at making excuses for injuries we really are.

In each of those examples, the coach has still been able to put a team on the park that is firstly competitive, and secondly has a chance to win. We have not looked like either at all during 2007!

I didn't expect us to win today, but I sure as hell expect us to be a lot more competitive!

P.S. I am not for sacking Daniher mid season, but we do need a change at season end, and the way things are going, this will take care of itself.

Agree this club has a poor history as soon as few of our top players are injured it all goes downhill. We simply dont have a strong leadership group that can take charge, we have the likes of Moloney who got injured busting his rear end to the point of coping a injury.We have a 20yr old Brock Mclean saying that we have a culture of Mental Weakness. The club has a group of so called leaders that are well paid but they continue to fail. Ask yourselfs what impact has White,Yze,Bruce,Travis, Green, on the games when we need our leaders to step up ZERO. Daniher great guy works very hard for the club in promoting it and had it hard in the early days due to no money and instablity at board level but just cant get this group of players to maintain their intensity thus the fadeouts in the last 3 yr seasos along with the up & down years. Daniher needed to make a call on some of the above players a couple of seasons ago to send a message but they continue to get more expensive contracts and the results dont improve. If we are 2-9 at the halfway mark Daniher should go and every player put on notice that the next 11 rounds their performance will be measured and recorded by the interim coach and from there the new coach will anylise their results and decide who will stay or be traded along with some contracts that may have to be reconstructed to reflect their performances.

[Real Demon 232]

Listen to you lot...you should be ashamed.

IF

ND had a 'full strength" team to select from, then yes I would say on ya way mate.

BUT

We have no Neitz, Robbo, Bartram, McLean, Rivers , Pickett, Dunn, Sylvia.

and a Brent Moloney who is not fit at all.

think about it.

Nothing but a crap excuse!

Read my earlier post.......other clubs have injury lists as long as ours........injuries cannot be blamed solely...........we have been uncompetitive......there is no excuse for that!

[dees64 104]

Listen to you lot...you should be ashamed.

IF

ND had a 'full strength" team to select from, then yes I would say on ya way mate.

BUT

We have no Neitz, Robbo, Bartram, McLean, Rivers , Pickett, Dunn, Sylvia.

and a Brent Moloney who is not fit at all.

think about it.

Mate have you seen the injury lists of the Crows, Saints,Magpies they still continue to win or at least put in a good effort eg Coll vs Eagles at Perth!. We just roll over

[Old Man Rivers 326]

Nothing but a crap excuse!

Read my earlier post.......other clubs have injury lists as long as ours........injuries cannot be blamed solely...........we have been uncompetitive......there is no excuse for that!

Agree 100%

Every club has injuries, its all about how we respond to adversity.

Today we failed dismally in as much as I hate to say it ,

Typical Melbourne fashion.

[QueenC 74]

Mate have you seen the injury lists of the Crows, Saints,Magpies they still continue to win or at least put in a good effort eg Coll vs Eagles at Perth!.

We just roll over

Doesn't that say more about our team attitude than anything else?

Form and injuries will come and go (unfortunately), but a poor attitude is, to me anyway, a far greater crime.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Daniher should announce his resignation when it becomes mathematically impossible for us to make the 8 as per Tony Shaw's departure from Collingwood. We can then have our new coach selection process up and running so we can make an appointment as soon possible - that may be after the Grand Final if a candidate is at a club in the finals.

This season was all about finishing in the top 4. Starting Zero and Three means that is but a pipe dream. Neale is by all accounts a decent and honourable man but it is clear that he is not a good coach. He must not coach Melbourne next year. 10 years is enough. We need the best Coach we can find, and it is clear that Daniher is not that Coach.

At least he leaves the list in better shape than his predecessor.

Good post other than your assessment of ND.

I think he has been a reasonably good coach given the situations he has endured at this Club. The lack of silverware mars him but his efforts for a flat broke club MFC have been creditable.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Agree 100%

Every club has injuries, its all about how we respond to adversity.

Not to the extent of the impact players we are missing. You might be able to cover one or two. MFC have 8 out of our critical 10 players missing. In this sort of competition, its cruel. Do that to any other team and watch them fall.

What has been poor has been the limp efforts of senior "star" players in this situation?

Our next captain after Neitz definitely has not been playing for the past two weeks.

[demoniac 1,330]

I should be ashamed of myself?

For stating that Melbourne needs the best Coach that we can get. And for stating that after starting with no wins from 3 losses in Daniher's 10th season he is quite clearly not the the best Coach for the job.

All teams have injuries. Not all teams play like a disorganised confused rabble. We play like startled rabbits caught in car headlights playing pass the parcel with an imminently to explode nuclear bomb. This was supposed to be the year we made the Top 4 and got the double chance. More likely we will be in the Bottom 4.

There are absolutely no excuses that can be made for our mediocre opening to the year. Absolutely none.

[Dreamin' Demon 10]

There are absolutely no excuses that can be made for our mediocre opening to the year. Absolutely none.

There has got to be a reason why this is happening. The injury list has been covered in this topic ad nausea therefore, we are clear on this & agree that it has something to do with the 0-3 win ratio.

But look at the names that played today. The spine on paper looked great. I looked at that final list last night & thought that it didn't look too bad. We would be a chance to be at least competitive. How could a bunch of experienced players be so hopelessly out of form & play so mediocre? No confidence, no skills, no talking, no plan etc. etc.

Makes me wonder whether the inclusion of McLean, Sylvia etc. in future will make any difference to the mindset of that group!!