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2022 List and Contract Details

Lucifers Hero
in Melbourne Demons

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1 hour ago, IRW said:

Listen cobber if Goodwin and the FD don't think the game and and the list( too slow too small too few skilled kickers) is ok and they just need to change "ins " for "outs" and not remedy some of the above defects with players who are ready to go ,then he wasn't watching the top four in the finals.

 

The "dynasty " is now off the pace  and likely  fighting for their hold on the finals  not just the double chance and with Clubs building behind them

Stubborn narrow mind will get found out in a changing game.

One winter of cloudless skies then .... poof it's a deluge!!

From Prelim in '18 to rock bottom in 19 and then a flag in 21. Goody has enough credit points clearly to remain at the helm

He had to adapt before we won the flag. And he did. 

He knows now he'll have to do it again and he will. 

Have faith. 

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    Thanks again LH great effort keeping up with Tim Lamb & Co what a superb effort, we started out with LJ and a glad bag of picks and ended up with Grundy, Hunter and Schache, picks 13 & 37 and 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders for 2023. Brilliant effort.❤️💙✅🤘💕

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    17 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    Post Trade Week

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    A lot to unpack there.

    Some contract info still to come and those players are in the boxes shaded 'orange'.  I think we will lose Baker as we are getting tight for senior spots.  Based on the current mix we have one spot left unless we go in with more senior players next year.

    Updated for the departure of Sam Weideman and the arrival of Grundy, Schache and Hunter.

    I've included the Draft picks for 2022/23.  We have a very nice little pot to play with:  13, 37.  Freo F1, F2 and our own F1, F2. 

    Amazing to get the calibre of players we have for late draft picks and the loss of loyal servants who deserve to chase opportunities elsewhere:  Bedford, Hunt and Weideman.  And of course there is the wantaway ruckman! 

    On balance we have greatly improved our list.

    Interesting they have been coy on the contract length for Hunter and Schache.

    Looking at our 2023 OOC list it's easy to see why we've kept Melksham, Hibberd and potentially Baker for another year. Outside of Dunstan most, if not all, of these players we will want to re-sign.

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    i'd imagine we made Hunters existing 2 years a 3year deal and schache got 2, but thats pure speculation, hunter could also be 4yrs taking him to 31yo

    early look at next year puts Hibbo and Melky probably low on priorities, Jordon could be the one who looks elsewhere for opportunities, WCE could target rivers for the hurn position however i think he will stay and dunstan and chandler will be the last to get signed up. McVee and DeakSmith need to show something more deak will be at the end of his 3yr maximum rookie stay as well

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    So post trade, and with the inclusion of Chandler moving to primary list, signing Melk and Hibbo and using an additional 2 picks in the draft, am I correct in assuming our options are:

    - If we DONT delist Baker, we have 1 additional spot available on primary for a DFA + 1 rookie spot.  (noting of we dont use the additional primary spot we can have 2 rookie spots)

    - If we delist Baker, we have up to 2 spots to use for DFA if suitable and depending on how many primary spots we fill (if any more at all) we can add between 1 and 3 rookie spots?

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    21 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    Post Trade Week

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    A lot to unpack there.

    Some contract info still to come and those players are in the boxes shaded 'orange'.  I think we will lose Baker as we are getting tight for senior spots.  Based on the current mix we have one spot left unless we go in with more senior players next year.

    Updated for the departure of Sam Weideman and the arrival of Grundy, Schache and Hunter.

    I've included the Draft picks for 2022/23.  We have a very nice little pot to play with:  13, 37.  Freo F1, F2 and our own F1, F2. 

    Amazing to get the calibre of players we have for late draft picks and the loss of loyal servants who deserve to chase opportunities elsewhere:  Bedford, Hunt and Weideman.  And of course there is the wantaway ruckman! 

    On balance we have greatly improved our list.

    Oskar Baker delisted.

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    Updated for Baker's delisting.

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    Assuming the existing list mix of the list:  36 senior, 6 A-Rookies we have 2 senior spots and 3 A-Rookie list spots available.  That mix can change as outline in the chart (bottom left corner).

    Given we plan to take two picks in the draft any DFA we recruit would come in as an A-Rookie.

    The number of games will be updated with the final version after the draft.

    Edit:  Updated Oct 15 for Hunter (2 years) and Schache (one) contract length as per 'Footywire'.

    Edited by Lucifers Hero

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    On 10/14/2022 at 6:57 AM, Lucifers Hero said:

    Updated fir Baker's delisting.

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    Assuming the existing list mix of the list:  36 senior, 6 A-Rookies we have 2 senior spots and 3 A-Rookie list spots available.  That mix can change as outline in the chart (bottom left corner).

    Given we plan to take two picks in the draft any DFA we recruit would come in as an A-Rookie.

    The number of games will be updated with the final version after the draft.

    Edit:  Updated Oct 15 for Hunter (2 years) and Schache (one) contract length as per 'Footywire'.

    Just bringing your attention to the file not working :)

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    4 hours ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

    Just bringing your attention to the file not working :)

    Thanks Katrina.  Not sure what happened.  Now fixed.

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    Updated for the recruitment of Kyah Farris-White as a B Rookie so we no longer have a B Rookie spot available.  A one year contract has been assumed.

    This makes our drafting of Finn Emile-Brennan interesting as we no longer have a B rookie spot.

    So do we think he will go around pick 37 or do we not intend to take.  Of course we could swap in a late pick. 

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    On 9/29/2022 at 5:11 PM, FarNorthernD said:

    Yes it is a long contract for a player of his ilk. At least when, the 12 times a game, he has the ball you know it will be used constructively. As you pointed out he is probably on minimal dollars.
    Im more concerned with 4 more years of Salem on what would be considerable more of salary cap pie. 

    Why does Demonland hate players who can kick

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    14 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    This makes our drafting of Finn Emile-Brennan interesting as we no longer have a B rookie spot.

    So do we think he will go around pick 37 or do we not intend to take.  Of course we could swap in a late pick. 

    i think he will go through the draft undrafted, so maybe we think we can pick him up as an A rookie then?

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    1 hour ago, Turner said:

    i think he will go through the draft undrafted, so maybe we think we can pick him up as an A rookie then?

    Correct. If he makes it through the National draft unpicked, he can go straight onto the rookie list as a category A player. Or Melbourne could upgrade Moniz-Wakefield and then FEB could fill his cat B position. 

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    16 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

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    Updated for the recruitment of Kyah Farris-White as a B Rookie so we no longer have a B Rookie spot available.  A one year contract has been assumed.

    This makes our drafting of Finn Emile-Brennan interesting as we no longer have a B rookie spot.

    So do we think he will go around pick 37 or do we not intend to take.  Of course we could swap in a late pick. 

    Thanks once again LH 

    You keep me up to date 

    I really appreciate your efforts

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    It's always been 3 x Cat B Rookies. It went to 2 only for the Covid years. There's been no official word yet, but all the talk is that list sizes and salary cap will be back to normal for 2023.

     

    15. Player Lists - 2017

    (d)       The number of Players referred to in clause 15(b) and 15(c) shall be Players included on the AFL Club’s Primary List and shall be in addition to the allowable number of Rookies, including nominated Rookies, as defined in the Rules. The maximum number of Rookies and Players on the Primary List shall be as follows:

     

    Primary List Size

    Category A Rookies

    Category B Rookies

    Total Rookies Maximum

    TOTAL

    38 (Minimum)

    6

    3

    9 (Maximum)

    47

    39

    5

    3

    8

    47

    40 (Maximum)

    4

    3

    7 (Minimum)

    47

     

     

    16. Player Lists – 2018 - 2022

    (ii)        The number of Players on the Club’s Category A Rookie List shall be not more than 6 provided that a Club must not have more than 44 Players on their Primary List and Category A Rookie List at any time;

     

    (iii)       The number of Players on the Club’s Category B Rookie List shall be not more than 3.

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    4 minutes ago, Demonland said:

     

    Is it possible to post their list of player 'contract status'?

    I assume the the article is about sal cap space?  If so many of our more highly paid players: May, Lever, Gawn, Viney, Brown, Mc Donald, Tomlinson come out of contract in the next 1 - 3 years and will then be on a lot less (or retired) leaving sufficient room for the up and coming players.  I have little doubt it has all been factored in by the club.  There is no way we will have the Coll sal cap problem.

    If the article is talking about breaking into the best 22 then yeah for the next year or two it will be a challenge especially for the small to medium players.

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    1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    Is it possible to post their list of player 'contract status'?

    I assume the the article is about sal cap space?  If so many of our more highly paid players: May, Lever, Gawn, Viney, Brown, Mc Donald, Tomlinson come out of contract in the next 1 - 3 years and will then be on a lot less (or retired) leaving sufficient room for the up and coming players.  I have little doubt it has all been factored in by the club.  There is no way we will have the Coll sal cap problem.

    If the article is talking about breaking into the best 22 then yeah for the next year or two it will be a challenge especially for the small to medium players.

    It's quite a long article that gives a little blurb about each player. I won't post the whole thing but below is the contract status of each player on the list according to them.

    1. Steven May. Age: 30 | Games: 193 | Status: Contracted to 2023

    3. Christian Salem.Age: 27 | Games: 143 | Status: Contracted to 2026

    4. James Harmes. Age: 27 | Games: 143 | Status: Contracted to 2024

    5. Christian Petracca. Age: 26 | Games: 151 | Status: Contracted to 2029

    7. Jack Viney. Age: 28 | Games: 172 | Status: Contracted to 2025

    8. Jake Lever. Age: 26 | Games: 136 | Status: Contracted to 2024

    9. Charlie Spargo. Age: 22 | Games: 83 | Status: Contracted to 2025

    10. Angus Brayshaw. Age: 26 | Games: 143 | Status: Contracted to 2028

    11. Max Gawn. Age: 30 | Games: 181 | Status: Contracted to 2025

    13. Clayton Oliver. Age: 25 | Games: 147 | Status: Contracted to 2030

    14. Michael Hibberd. Age: 32 | Games: 185 | Status: Out of contract

    15. Ed Langdon. Age: 26 | Games: 132 | Status: Contracted to 2024

    16. Bailey Laurie. Age: 20 | Games: 0 | Status: Contracted to 2024

    17. Jake Bowey. Age: 20 | Games: 24 | Status: Contracted to 2024

    18. Jake Melksham. Age: 31 | Games: 208 | Status: Out of contract

    20. Adam Tomlinson. Age: 29 | Games: 168 | Status: Contracted to 2024

    21. Jacob van Rooyen. Age: 19 | Games: 0 | Status: Contracted to 2023

    22. Blake Howes. Age: 19 | Games: 0 | Status: Contracted to 2023

    23. James Jordan. Age: 21 | Games: 47 | Status: Contracted to 2023

    24. Trent Rivers. Age: 21 | Games: 52 | Status: Contracted to 2023

    25. Tom McDonald. Age: 30 | Games: 202 | Status: Contracted to 2024

    27. Luke Dunstan. Age: 27 | Games: 121 | Status: Contracted to 2023

    30. Alex Neal-Bullen. Age: 26 | Games: 128 | Status: Contracted to 2023

    31. Bayley Fritsch. Age: 25 | Games: 109 | Status: Contracted to 2026

    32. Tom Sparrow. Age: 22 | Games: 51 | Status: Contracted to 2024

    34. Deakyn Smith. Age: 20 | Games: 0 | Status: Contracted to 2023

    35. Harrison Petty. Age: 22 | Games: 48 | Status: Contracted to 2025

    36. Kysaiah Pickett. Age: 21 | Games: 62 | Status: Contracted to 2023

    37. Kade Chandler. Age: 22 | Games: 10 | Status: Contracted to 2023

    40. Taj Woewodin. Age: 19 | Games: 0 | Status: Contracted to 2023

    41. Judd McVee. Age: 19 | Games: 0 | Status: Contracted to 2023

    42. Daniel Turner. Age: 20 | Games: 1 | Status: Contracted to 2024

    44. Joel Smith. Age: 26 | Games: 28 | Status: Contracted to 2024

    45. Andy Moniz-Wakefield. Age: 18 | Games: 0 | Status: Contracted to 2023

    50. Ben Brown. Age: 29 | Games: 162 | Status: Contracted to 2024

    RECRUITS

    Brodie Grundy. Age: 28 | Games: 177 | Status: Contracted to 2027

    Lachie Hunter. Age: 27 | Games: 173 | Status: Contracted to 2024

    Josh Schache. Age: 25 | Games: 72 | Status: Contracted to 2023

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    Schache on a 1 year deal?

    Interesting. 

    Make or break for his career. I like it.

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    17 minutes ago, Demonland said:

    I not 100% sure but the way I read it is we took over his current contract with the Dogs. Prior to the trade what was his contract status?

    He's was out of contract I believe. 

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    Updated for JVR 2 year contract extension until 2025.

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    Based on the list that @Demonlandpublished above Tomlinson is now shown as OOC in 2024.

    I searched for Schache's contract status at the Bulldogs and it seems he was OOC in 2022 so we have given him a one year contract.  josh-schache-contract-western-bulldogs-forward-signs-new-deal

    I will update the number of games played when I do the final version for this year after the draft.

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    Thanks LH terrific effort, can’t wait to see Kozzie sign on.👌✅

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    Updated for one year contracts to Hibberd and Meklksham

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