Farewell Luke Jackson

[Sydee 3,612]

On 10/8/2021 at 12:45 PM, Lucifers Hero said:

From The Age:

Melbourne is talking with the management of Rising Star winner and premiership big man Luke Jackson with the Demons categorically denying they have had any talks with Fremantle about the WA native.

Jackson is out of contract at the end of season 2022 and Melbourne wants him to extend his stay with the former Australian under-17 basketballer developing faster than many expected culminating in his ruck work in the grand final helping to turn the game to the Demons in the third term.

Demons list manager Tim Lamb shot down any suggestion they had talked with the Dockers about Jackson.

“At no time, has there ever been a conversation internally, or with Fremantle, about Luke Jackson,” Lamb told AFL trade radio.  “I can categorically say that has never occurred.  “He’s out of contract at the end of next season, we’re talking with his manager and happy with where it sits.”

Are we still happy where it sits? Seems like things are going nowhere 

Time to p!zz or get off the pot soon 

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,106]

Jackson has been a microcosm of Melbourne's 2022 season so far.

Started the season hot against the Dogs and in parts against the Suns. Just went in wins against Essendon, Port, Richmond etc. Then got COVID along with a number of players and has been flat and uninspiring ever since.

Looking for a massive 4 week block from LJ but I'm not sure he has the age and experience to take the AFL by storm as of yet.

As for trades, if Freo want to do business with us, I'd do a straight swap for Victorian born Hayden Young. Young is an absolute star in the making and I predict will end up having a better career than Jackson. But alas, Young recently re-signed and has settled in nicely.

[DemonJack 14 72]

 

6 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Jackson has been a microcosm of Melbourne's 2022 season so far.

Started the season hot against the Dogs and in parts against the Suns. Just went in wins against Essendon, Port, Richmond etc. Then got COVID along with a number of players and has been flat and uninspiring ever since.

Looking for a massive 4 week block from LJ but I'm not sure he has the age and experience to take the AFL by storm as of yet.

As for trades, if Freo want to do business with us, I'd do a straight swap for Victorian born Hayden Young. Young is an absolute star in the making and I predict will end up having a better career than Jackson. But alas, Young recently re-signed and has settled in nicely.

I agree Hayden Young would be have been a great trade option, but yes re-signed for 5 years recently. His kicking skills are fantastic ! 

This potential Jackson trade talk has got me thinking. As good as Jackson and Pickett have been and no doubt will be, would we have been better off drafting Hayden Young and Caleb Serong in that 2019 draft. two highly rated VIC kids ( no game home factor).

Currently they are  both looking like young stars of the competition ! 

[Redleg 37,484]

1 minute ago, DemonJack 14 said:

 

I agree Hayden Young would be have been a great trade option, but yes re-signed for 5 years recently. His kicking skills are fantastic ! 

This potential Jackson trade talk has got me thinking. As good as Jackson and Pickett have been and no doubt will be, would we have been better off drafting Hayden Young and Caleb Serong in that 2019 draft. two highly rated VIC kids ( no game home factor).

Currently they are  both looking like young stars of the competition ! 

Well our 2 helped us win a flag. I can live with that.

If you want to employ hindsight, you could  look at Weid when McKay and Curnow were still available.

Every draft will throw up the “what ifs”.

 

[DemonJack 14 72]

31 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Well our 2 helped us win a flag. I can live with that.

If you want to employ hindsight, you could  look at Weid when McKay and Curnow were still available.

Every draft will throw up the “what ifs”.

 

Yeah you are right about that for sure 

[Dwight Schrute 16,722]

The less contract details both financial and term are made public the better for the sanity of those who occupy fan forums. 

[Gawndy the Great 7,283]

Freos most realistic offer for LJ would be the 2022 and 2023 first rounders plus Rory Lobb inc 40% of his salary. Most likely being 2 picks in 14-18.

Feels a bit short of the mark. But gives us what we need right now plus time to scout for a new ruck beyond Gawn. 

[Jaded No More 57,714]

32 minutes ago, CYB said:

Freos most realistic offer for LJ would be the 2022 and 2023 first rounders plus Rory Lobb inc 40% of his salary. Most likely being 2 picks in 14-18.

Feels a bit short of the mark. But gives us what we need right now plus time to scout for a new ruck beyond Gawn. 

If we can get Lobb as part of the deal it would absolutely soften the blow of losing Jackson and means our windos is still wide open. Lobb is an excellent player and would be a great 1-2 combo with Gawn for a few more years. 

 

[Redleg 37,484]

12 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

If we can get Lobb as part of the deal it would absolutely soften the blow of losing Jackson and means our windos is still wide open. Lobb is an excellent player and would be a great 1-2 combo with Gawn for a few more years. 

 

Do I detect a change in attitude?

[Jaded No More 57,714]

8 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Do I detect a change in attitude?

No I still don't want to lose Jackson, and I am sure the club is doing everything it can to keep him.

But of course if he wants to go, he is immediately dead to me and I move onto caring only about bettering our list. Lobb will certainly be a good replacement. 

Winning flags is the only thing that matters. In: Lobb Out: Jackson is a good net result for 2023/2024 while our window is still wide open. 

 

Edit: Plus 2 draft picks of course. This is not a like for like given age and draft pick investment. 

Edited June 17, 2022 by Jaded No More

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,106]

57 minutes ago, CYB said:

Freos most realistic offer for LJ would be the 2022 and 2023 first rounders plus Rory Lobb inc 40% of his salary. Most likely being 2 picks in 14-18.

Feels a bit short of the mark. But gives us what we need right now plus time to scout for a new ruck beyond Gawn. 

I think that's a fantastic deal in favour of us. 

We get a discounted tall forward in career best form and two first rounders to invest in the future.

Nothing short of the mark about that. 

[Redleg 37,484]

5 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

No I still don't want to lose Jackson, and I am sure the club is doing everything it can to keep him.

But of course if he wants to go, he is immediately dead to me and I move onto caring only about bettering our list. Lobb will certainly be a good replacement. 

Winning flags is the only thing that matters. In: Lobb Out: Jackson is a good net result for 2023/2024 while our window is still wide open. 

 

Edit: Plus 2 draft picks of course. This is not a like for like given age and draft pick investment. 

I just can’t believe that if Jacko wanted to go home he wouldn’t have told us last year, when he knew we wanted Cerra.

He would have probably known his priority last October/November and surely he would have raised it with us as we might have agreed and done a deal if he was so determined to go home.

It all leads me to think he will re sign, but maybe only for a few years and then reassess.

However, 2 late first round picks and another 30 year old forward/ruckman is not nearly  enough for Jacko. 

[Redleg 37,484]

3 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I think that's a fantastic deal in favour of us. 

We get a discounted tall forward in career best form and two first rounders to invest in the future.

Nothing short of the mark about that. 

Couldn’t disagree more.

[Jaded No More 57,714]

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

 

However, 2 late first round picks and another 30 year old forward/ruckman is not nearly  enough for Jacko. 

I agree, and if Jackson wants to go of course we hope he wants to go to West Coast as we will get a better deal.

But if he wants to go to Freo, what options do we really have? I would be pushing hard for picks (which would not be great as Freo will likely finish top 4) AND I would want an established replacement given our window is still wide open.

I mean Darcy would be ideal, but I doubt Freo or Darcy would agree. 

[layzie 28,526]

31 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

No I still don't want to lose Jackson, and I am sure the club is doing everything it can to keep him.

But of course if he wants to go, he is immediately dead to me and I move onto caring only about bettering our list. Lobb will certainly be a good replacement. 

Winning flags is the only thing that matters. In: Lobb Out: Jackson is a good net result for 2023/2024 while our window is still wide open. 

 

Edit: Plus 2 draft picks of course. This is not a like for like given age and draft pick investment. 

Pretty much exactly the way I think about it, in business terms. 

I never buy into sound bites of players loving the club or how Gus sounds so happy on the podcast, I buy into signatures on dotted lines and even these days that's proving to be no guarantee of keeping someone long term. 

The list is all I care about. Yes I'd have some love for him after what he did for us but no-one is bigger than the club. 

[IRW 1,212]

3 hours ago, Redleg said:

Well our 2 helped us win a flag. I can live with that.

If you want to employ hindsight, you could  look at Weid when McKay and Curnow were still available.

Every draft will throw up the “what ifs”.

 

Exactly ..I recall on the old Ology getting fair  traction for trading Trac and Spargo..

Locking Dogga in for 5 years makes sense ,he'll be a prime asset if he wants out in 2027 and still good value if he only gets to 75% of his potential before then

[IRW 1,212]

1 minute ago, IRW said:

Exactly ..I recall on the old Ology getting fair  traction for trading Trac and Spargo..

Locking Dogga in for 5 years makes sense ,he'll be a prime asset if he wants out in 2027 and still good value if he only gets to 75% of his potential before then.

It would be nice if he could hold a few more marks though.

 

[Gawndy the Great 7,283]

12 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I just can’t believe that if Jacko wanted to go home he wouldn’t have told us last year, when he knew we wanted Cerra.

He would have probably known his priority last October/November and surely he would have raised it with us as we might have agreed and done a deal if he was so determined to go home.

It all leads me to think he will re sign, but maybe only for a few years and then reassess.

However, 2 late first round picks and another 30 year old forward/ruckman is not nearly  enough for Jacko. 

I 100% get where you are coming from, but Hogan is a perfect example how potential can be overplayed. Im 50/50 right now about what to do with LJ but probably leaning on wanting to keep him. 

If we evaluate LJ based on current performance, then the above is probably overs for him. However its when you factor in growth and potential that it becomes anyones guess as to what is an equitable trade.

Whatever the scenario, we don't really gain from a trade when there are just picks involved. We are in the window right now and we need a like-for-like player. I think Lobb is decent enough and gives us a solid target in the forward line that will be a hard matchup, particularly once we have BBB and TMac in there.

We can then use the picks received to offer other clubs for a younger KPF or goto the draft and develop from scratch. Either scenario.

 

[Dwight Schrute 16,722]

If Luke Jackson did make the decision to leave the tricky thing is going to be that Fremantle viewing themselves as in the trade window and Peter Bell being notoriously difficult to deal with at the trade table could really make it a long and painful process for the club who would be without Josh Mahoney for the first time for a significant trade like this. 

I think both parties would quickly realise the asking price would be 2 first round picks, plus and the plus would be a really significant talking point. 

[Jontee 3,634]

Every time this thread 'kicks off' I get excited.

When Jacko does sign a new contract I hope we start a new thread.  I am tired of looking in here.

[Billy 1,952]

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

If we can get Lobb as part of the deal it would absolutely soften the blow of losing Jackson and means our windos is still wide open. Lobb is an excellent player and would be a great 1-2 combo with Gawn for a few more years. 

 

Lobb plays one good game against us & now he’s an excellent player?
I’d say he’s had a pretty disappointing career overall 

 

[Redleg 37,484]

Do we start a countdown thread titled “Jacko re signs with Dees.”?

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,106]

42 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Couldn’t disagree more.

Not a chance we'd be getting more than two first rounders and a Rory Lobb for Jackson. Not a chance.

That sort of currency is reserved for established A graders, not for players with high potential but are still establishing themselves in the league. Luke Jackson is still finding his way in the competition as evidenced by his form this year.

Jeremy Cameron cost Geelong 3 back end first rounders, but received 2 second rounders back from GWS. Cameron is a match winner and will most likely win this year's Coleman if injury free.

I will eat humble pie if Bell happily hands over that bounty for LJ, after the Hogan saga, should the (unfortunate) situation arise where LJ nominates Freo as his club of choice.

 

[Sir Why You Little 34,427]

4 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Not a chance we'd be getting more than two first rounders and a Rory Lobb for Jackson. Not a chance.

That sort of currency is reserved for established A graders, not for players with high potential but are still establishing themselves in the league. Luke Jackson is still finding his way in the competition as evidenced by his form this year.

Jeremy Cameron cost Geelong 3 back end first rounders, but received 2 second rounders back from GWS. Cameron is a match winner and will most likely win this year's Coleman if injury free.

I will eat humble pie if Bell happily hands over that bounty for LJ, after the Hogan saga, should the (unfortunate) situation arise where LJ nominates Freo as his club of choice.

 

I will be even happier if LJ stays right where he is and has a crack at a few more flags

[whatwhat say what 18,793]

6 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

We had our chance to get Jessie back at the end of 2020.

We actually conducted a zoom interview and all, but we said thanks, but no thanks.

yairs, wasn't the q 'will you give up the grog?' and the answer was 'no'