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Has anyone got any data (or the time to create a list) on whom we drafted in the first two rounds from 2010-2015 and then 2016-2020?

I just wanted to look at the ol nature vs nuture (drafting vs development) debate.

19 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Has anyone got any data (or the time to create a list) on whom we drafted in the first two rounds from 2010-2015 and then 2016-2020?

I just wanted to look at the ol nature vs nuture (drafting vs development) debate.

Barry Prendergast vs JT

 

Nil contendo

5 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Barry Prendergast vs JT

 

Nil contendo

Yeah... but I don;'t really want to make it about that.

 
1 hour ago, Engorged Onion said:

Has anyone got any data (or the time to create a list) on whom we drafted in the first two rounds from 2010-2015 and then 2016-2020?

I just wanted to look at the ol nature vs nuture (drafting vs development) debate.

footywire is yr friend for this sort of thing...

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-melbourne-demons

2010-15:

  • pick 12 2010 - lucas cook
  • pick 33 2010 - jeremy howe
  • pick 36 2011 - rory taggert
  • pick 2 2012 - jesse hogan (priority)
  • pick 4 2012 - jimmy toumpas
  • pick 26 2012 - jack viney (father/son)
  • pick 9 2013 - christian salem
  • pick 2 2014 - christian petracca
  • pick 3 2014 - angus brayshaw
  • pick 40 2014 - alex neal-bullen
  • pick 42 2014 - billy stretch
  • pick 4 2015 - clayton oliver
  • pick 9 2015 - sam weideman

so six premiership players from 13 selected in that time period, one other still on our list, and two others elsewhere

2016-2020:

  • no 1st or 2nd round 2016
  • pick 29 2017 - charlie spargo
  • pick 31 2017 - bayley fritsh
  • pick 37 2017 - harrison petty
  • pick 27 2018 - tom sparrow
  • pick 33 2018 - james jordon
  • pick 3 2019 - luke jackson
  • pick 12 2019 - kysaiah pickett
  • pick 32 2019 - trent rivers
  • pick 21 2020 - jake bowey
  • pick 22 2020 - bailey laurie

so nine premiership players from 10 selected (!), all still on our list

i think the more pertinent thing to look at is when jason taylor joined - in 2013

in that time he's made 18 first or second round selections, all bar one remain on our list, and 14 are premiership players


2 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

footywire is yr friend for this sort of thing...

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-melbourne-demons

2010-15:

  • pick 12 2010 - lucas cook
  • pick 33 2010 - jeremy howe
  • pick 36 2011 - rory taggert
  • pick 2 2012 - jesse hogan (priority)
  • pick 4 2012 - jimmy toumpas
  • pick 26 2012 - jack viney (father/son)
  • pick 9 2013 - christian salem
  • pick 2 2014 - christian petracca
  • pick 3 2014 - angus brayshaw
  • pick 40 2014 - alex neal-bullen
  • pick 42 2014 - billy stretch
  • pick 4 2015 - clayton oliver
  • pick 9 2015 - sam weideman

so six premiership players from 13 selected in that time period, one other still on our list, and two others elsewhere

2016-2020:

  • no 1st or 2nd round 2016
  • pick 29 2017 - charlie spargo
  • pick 31 2017 - bayley fritsh
  • pick 37 2017 - harrison petty
  • pick 27 2018 - tom sparrow
  • pick 33 2018 - james jordon
  • pick 3 2019 - luke jackson
  • pick 12 2019 - kysaiah pickett
  • pick 32 2019 - trent rivers
  • pick 21 2020 - jake bowey
  • pick 22 2020 - bailey laurie

so nine premiership players from 10 selected (!), all still on our list

i think the more pertinent thing to look at is when jason taylor joined - in 2013

in that time he's made 18 first or second round selections, all bar one remain on our list, and 14 are premiership players

I really appreciate the time and effort there. Thank you.

That is actually quite astounding 14 out of the 18 are premiership players.

3 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

I really appreciate the time and effort there. Thank you.

That is actually quite astounding 14 out of the 18 are premiership players.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/65216/the-behind-the-scenes-guy-who-rebuilt-the-dees

choice quote:

"In my job, ideally you don't want to be going to a club after they've won a premiership. You want to be going to Melbourne, who hasn't won one (since 1964) – it's a challenge you're seeking to show your competitive spirit," Taylor told AFL.com.au.

ok here's another one.

Can anyone be bothered digging up stats on say over the last decade - what % of premiership winning teams each year are made up of (sorry for international jargon)  - home grown talent vs imports?

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18 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

ok here's another one.

Can anyone be bothered digging up stats on say over the last decade - what % of premiership winning teams each year are made up of (sorry for international jargon)  - home grown talent vs imports?

I think even Champion Data would struggle to do that.

Imports...  no themes were discerned.

Happy to be corrected on this...

2011 - Geelong - 1 (Brad Ottens)

2012 - Sydney - 4 (M.Morton, S Mumford,  M Mattner, R Shaw)

2013 -  Hawthorn 5 (Lake, Gibson, Gunston, Guerra, Burgoyne)

2014 - Hawthorn 7 ((Lake, Gibson, Gunston, Hale, Burgoyne, Spangher, Mc Evoy)

2015 -  Hawthorn 7 ((Frawley, Lake Gibson, Gunston, Hale, Burgoyne , Mc Evoy)

2016 - Bulldogs  3( Biggs, Boyd, Hamling)

2017 - Richmond  5 (Prestia, Houli, Nankervis, Grigg, Caddy)

2018- WCE -  5 (Redden, Yeo, Kennedy, Vardy, Jetta)

2019- Richmond  5 (Prestia, Houli, Nankervis, Lynch, Caddy)

2020 - Richmond  4 (Prestia, Houli, Nankervis, Lynch)

2021 - Demons 5 (May, Lever, Brown, Langdon, Hibberd)

Edited by Engorged Onion


Interesting when you compare that with Carlton's recycled player count for next year of players projected to be best 22:

Cerra, Saad, Williams, Newman, Hewett, Jones, Setterfield, Newnes, Fogarty

A total of 9
 

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3 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

Has anyone got any data (or the time to create a list) on whom we drafted in the first two rounds from 2010-2015 and then 2016-2020?

I just wanted to look at the ol nature vs nuture (drafting vs development) debate.

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2 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

ok here's another one.

Can anyone be bothered digging up stats on say over the last decade - what % of premiership winning teams each year are made up of (sorry for international jargon)  - home grown talent vs imports?

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On 9/26/2021 at 10:13 AM, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Yeah, but should you really be taking a ruckman with the 3rd pick in the draft 🤔??  😉

Yes because Jacko is more than a ruckman !!

6 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

ok here's another one.

Can anyone be bothered digging up stats on say over the last decade - what % of premiership winning teams each year are made up of (sorry for international jargon)  - home grown talent vs imports?

I thought Jim Stynes and Sean Wight were imports.

Loved them both.

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