Toby Greene umpire contact

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1 hour ago, hardtack said:

Watching the replay and listening to the discussion on Foxtel, there’s absolutely no way he should be suspended. He barely touched the umpire’s hand and the suspected shoulder bump was just a trick of the camera caused by a combination of foreshortening of the image with the umpire turning to continue the conversation as Green walked past him. Fine at worst for touching the umpire’s hand.

What??? 

The umpire was standing still and front on to Green, who walked straight at him. Made enough contact to cause the ump to take two steps back and to the side. The umpire turning was a result of the momentum from being pushed on the side by Green.

At the end of the day, the umpire was standing still and it's 100% Green's responsibility to move around him and not make contact.

Should be 4 weeks minimum.

He'll get off.

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1 minute ago, Stiff Arm said:

What??? 

The umpire was standing still and front on to Green, who walked straight at him. Made enough contact to cause the ump to take two steps back and to the side. The umpire turning was a result of the momentum from being pushed on the side by Green.

At the end of the day, the umpire was standing still and it's 100% Green's responsibility to move around him and not make contact.

Should be 4 weeks minimum.

He'll get off.

You obviously haven’t seen the footage that Reiwoldt and co were talking to… there is clear daylight between Green’s shoulder and the umpire… however, you do see his hand make contact with the umpire’s hand.

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6 minutes ago, hardtack said:

You obviously haven’t seen the footage that Reiwoldt and co were talking to… there is clear daylight between Green’s shoulder and the umpire… however, you do see his hand make contact with the umpire’s hand.

Show me said footage.

It shouldn't matter. He walks directly into Stevic's path, Stevic is stationary. He's acting in a completely inappropriate way towards an umpire.

If what Viney did was a "bad look for the game" and was worthy of two weeks, so is this.

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If you did that to someone in a pub they would fully expect you are having a go at them.

Remember Pubs? Those were the days.

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2 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Show me said footage.

It shouldn't matter. He walks directly into Stevic's path, Stevic is stationary. He's acting in a completely inappropriate way towards an umpire.

If what Viney did was a "bad look for the game" and was worthy of two weeks, so is this.

Show you the footage?? It was there for all to see during analysis on Foxtel at half time. Reiwoldt, Brown and Dunstall all discussed it at length, replaying the footage over and over from a couple of angles. If he had hit the umpire as hard as people are trying to make out here, don’t you think the umpire would have reported him on the spot?

Sorry, I don’t have access to the Foxtel library of footage, but I’m sure if you can somehow get to view the half time discussion at our game, you’ll see it.

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4 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

 

 

What Stevic says is completely irrelevant.

Not according to the media.

They believe what he says is very relevant, especially as the other camera angle doesn't show a bump, but rather a hand touch and then Stevic turns around.

If Stevic says he never touched me, do you think the MRO won't believe him?

 Considering there is no vision of actual contact, what the umpire says is the most important thing anyone will say on the matter.

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You don't touch the umps. simple. he has to be suspended

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3 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Show you the footage?? It was there for all to see during analysis on Foxtel at half time. Reiwoldt, Brown and Dunstall all discussed it at length, replaying the footage over and over from a couple of angles. If he had hit the umpire as hard as people are trying to make out here, don’t you think the umpire would have reported him on the spot?

Sorry, I don’t have access to the Foxtel library of footage, but I’m sure if you can somehow get to view the half time discussion at our game, you’ll see it.

Are you saying he didn't touch him at all?

If the contact was less than it first looked, all that means is a 6+ week suspension can be reduced to 2-4.

Acting in that manner towards an umpire is disgraceful.

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1 minute ago, BDA said:

You don't touch the umps. simple. he has to be suspended

No, like the Lachie Neale incident some time ago, he will most likely get a fine. In the unlikely event that he gets suspended, it would be no more than one week.

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6 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Show you the footage?? It was there for all to see during analysis on Foxtel at half time. Reiwoldt, Brown and Dunstall all discussed it at length, replaying the footage over and over from a couple of angles. If he had hit the umpire as hard as people are trying to make out here, don’t you think the umpire would have reported him on the spot?

Sorry, I don’t have access to the Foxtel library of footage, but I’m sure if you can somehow get to view the half time discussion at our game, you’ll see it.

Only saw the angle from behind the umpire

Looks blatant

Can't see how it's not multiple weeks

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2 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Are you saying he didn't touch him at all?

If the contact was less than it first looked, all that means is a 6+ week suspension can be reduced to 2-4.

Acting in that manner towards an umpire is disgraceful.

If you read my comments, you’d know that your first sentence is wrong. He touched him very lightly on the hand. It was no worse than Lachie Neale’s touch of an umpire (whenever that was), which resulted in a fine.

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3 minutes ago, hardtack said:

No, like the Lachie Neale incident some time ago, he will most likely get a fine. In the unlikely event that he gets suspended, it would be no more than one week.

You're comparing what Greene did to this?

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36 minutes ago, hardtack said:

You obviously haven’t seen the footage that Reiwoldt and co were talking to… there is clear daylight between Green’s shoulder and the umpire… however, you do see his hand make contact with the umpire’s hand.

If he didn't touch him, that's only because the umpire stepped out of the way to avoid Greene's contact, and that should not be considered a mitigating factor.

 

Edited August 28, 2021 by deanox
Edit in italics to correct from: "should be considered"

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Just now, titan_uranus said:

You're comparing what Greene did to this?

Yes I am… you and others are making it seem like Green shoulder charged the umpire almost knocking him senseless.

Watch the footage with analysis that they showed on Foxtel and then let me know what you think (and no, I don’t have a link). I’m no fan of Green, but I think some of you are letting your hatred of him cloud your judgement.

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I like Greene. But boy is he stupid sometimes. He made some contact and he clearly wanted to as his walking  path was direct. Had the umpire not moved , it would have been much more obvious - so there is clear intent.

they will argue that he wasn’t looking but the intent is clear.

will boil down to what the AFL want to do. His record will mean that a lower end suspension is unlikely and I think he’ll be gone for at least 2 weeks if the Viney suspension is anything to go by (in terms of bad look etc )

Edited August 28, 2021 by CYB

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1 minute ago, deanox said:

If he didn't touch him, that's only because the umpire stepped out of the way to avoid Greene's contact, and that should be considered a mitigating factor.

 

Now that is a fair point; but I seriously believe that if the kind of contact that people are claiming here occurred, the umpire’s book would have been out in a flash.

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Just now, hardtack said:

Yes I am… you and others are making it seem like Green shoulder charged the umpire almost knocking him senseless.

Watch the footage with analysis that they showed on Foxtel and then let me know what you think (and no, I don’t have a link). I’m no fan of Green, but I think some of you are letting your hatred of him cloud your judgement.

As I said above, if this game-changing footage shows that the only contact was with his hand, then all that does is reduce the suspension from 6+ weeks to 2-4.

He should be suspended for his actions. The way he remonstrated with, walked in a direct beeline towards, and either actually or nearly walked through him with his shoulder, should be considered blatantly inappropriate.

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If Greene gets off it will be with a twenty million dollar AFL Biro.

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1 minute ago, hardtack said:

Yes I am… you and others are making it seem like Green shoulder charged the umpire almost knocking him senseless.

Watch the footage with analysis that they showed on Foxtel and then let me know what you think (and no, I don’t have a link). I’m no fan of Green, but I think some of you are letting your hatred of him cloud your judgement.

Seen the fox breakdown now

He has the arm tucked in, and bulk of contact looks like forearm at around stomach/chest level. Still unnecessarily forceful

Regardless of tucked arm versus shoulder, he walked through the umpire, didn't even shape away or pretend to try to go around (sort of looks like he leans towards).

It's an unnecessarily aggressive act, with contact, while he was arguing about something. The sort of act that starts a pub fight (Toby may be familiar with pub fights? 🤔)

4 weeks, and consider himself lucky it didn't look worse on camera

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4 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Now that is a fair point; but I seriously believe that if the kind of contact that people are claiming here occurred, the umpire’s book would have been out in a flash.

Sorry for my typo, should be "should not be considered a mitigating factor".

If the umpire is standing still, and Greene barges towards him, then Greene is intended only to make contact in an intimidating and aggressive way.

Short of assaulting him, this is probably the most aggressive physical thing he could have done.

 

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22 minutes ago, BDA said:

You don't touch the umps. simple. he has to be suspended

And if course now nobody is talking of the elbow thrown minutes earlier - and as the media haven’t highlighted it then Christian won’t need to look at that. 

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2 minutes ago, deanox said:

Sorry for my typo, should be "should not be considered a mitigating factor".

If the umpire is standing still, and Greene barges towards him, then Greene is intended only to make contact in an intimidating and aggressive way.

Short of assaulting him, this is probably the most aggressive physical thing he could have done.

 

Yes, but since when has the MRP or tribunal ever been interested in intent? Sad but true.

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21 minutes ago, hardtack said:

No, like the Lachie Neale incident some time ago, he will most likely get a fine. In the unlikely event that he gets suspended, it would be no more than one week.

Big big difference in that incident. Firstly that was in play and Neale was wanting to show the umpire that he was bleeding hence deserved a free. He didn’t walk up to the umpire at a break, point a finger at him, have a chat to him and then on purpose touch him. It’s not hard for Greene to avoid contact but he chose to make it and then continues to carry on like a pork chop. 

It’s a bad look for the game. It’s super disrespectful and there is no need for it. If players don’t respect the umpires at this level, you won’t get respect for umpires at any level. Gotta stamp that out!

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35 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Big big difference in that incident. Firstly that was in play and Neale was wanting to show the umpire that he was bleeding hence deserved a free. He didn’t walk up to the umpire at a break, point a finger at him, have a chat to him and then on purpose touch him. It’s not hard for Greene to avoid contact but he chose to make it and then continues to carry on like a pork chop. 

It’s a bad look for the game. It’s super disrespectful and there is no need for it. If players don’t respect the umpires at this level, you won’t get respect for umpires at any level. Gotta stamp that out!

I accept that.