Just now, Lord Nev said:

Wonder if Meek comes into calculations at all?

 

This would be the only acceptable outcome if we lose Weideman to make the Jackson trade happen. 
Meek at least gives us some depth. 
We have absolutely no ruck options beyond a 30 year old Gawn and probably a 29 year old Grundy coming off a year long injury. 

Just now, Jaded No More said:

This would be the only acceptable outcome if we lose Weideman to make the Jackson trade happen. 
Meek at least gives us some depth. 
We have absolutely no ruck options beyond a 30 year old Gawn and probably a 29 year old Grundy coming off a year long injury. 

I know Meek apparently wants to get to Hawthorn, but so far I don't know heaps of other backup ruck options that will come into trade calculations.

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

It was?

Wasn't it initially mentioned on trade radio when a caller rang up to confirm? 

Think it started on BF, then a caller spotted it and rang in, with the poster then claiming it a lie.

3 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

Yes - it doesn't make a lot of sense. We can't get what we want, so instead we lose an important depth player? Surely then we're still short on 'what we want?'

If Freo have set out to make a rival weaker, they will have succeeded if this is how it goes down. 

This is a bit dramatic 

i dont understand why the MFC is doing all the wheeling and dealing to facilitate the LJ trade. Have freo blackmailed us?

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

It was?

Wasn't it initially mentioned on trade radio when a caller rang up to confirm? 

Someone posted on DL that the guy on BF that posted the original rumour, said that he'd made it up.

2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Wonder if Meek comes into calculations at all?

 

 

1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

This would be the only acceptable outcome if we lose Weideman to make the Jackson trade happen. 
Meek at least gives us some depth. 
We have absolutely no ruck options beyond a 30 year old Gawn and probably a 29 year old Grundy coming off a year long injury. 

Meek wants senior opportunities. 

He's not coming to a club that probably two of the best rucks in the game.

Best option would be a delisted free agent.

1 minute ago, A F said:

Someone posted on DL that the guy on BF that posted the original rumour, said that he'd made it up.

So was the caller the same guy as the bigfooty one?

2 minutes ago, cookieboc said:

i dont understand why the MFC is doing all the wheeling and dealing to facilitate the LJ trade. Have freo blackmailed us?

Reckon it became obvious as the year went on that Weid wasn't in our future plans, so this could have been on the table anyway IMO.

5 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Wonder if Meek comes into calculations at all?

 

Can’t see why he would want to come to us… won’t be any shot at playing 1s with Grawn in tandem. If he leaves Freo, it would be to get opportunity, surely?

1 minute ago, cookieboc said:

i dont understand why the MFC is doing all the wheeling and dealing to facilitate the LJ trade. Have freo blackmailed us?

Hardly blackmail  Jackson is probably worth 13 , ( certainly not TWO)the future pick swaps/trades  usually come late when things are freed up and Freo gets motivated

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

So was the caller the same guy as the bigfooty one?

Yeah, apparently. Or simply what @SFebes posts above.

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Meek wants senior opportunities. 

He's not coming to a club that probably two of the best rucks in the game.

Best option would be a delisted free agent.

 

1 minute ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Can’t see why he would want to come to us… won’t be any shot at playing 1s with Grawn in tandem. If he leaves Freo, it would be to get opportunity, surely?

Yep, and probs why he's rumoured to be going to Hawthorn. Just don't know many other rucks around this trade period.

Any ideas?

3 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I know Meek apparently wants to get to Hawthorn, but so far I don't know heaps of other backup ruck options that will come into trade calculations.

Meek won't come to Melbourne. He's contracted and wants to leave Freo because he'll be sitting behind Darcy and Jackson. Why would he want to sit behind Gawndy? 

If Weid goes, we'll need a mature ager from the state leagues and a young rookie ruckman. 

It would be sheer madness if we use JVR as a backup ruck. T Mac and BBB look cooked. 

I'm not a Weid fan, but he is ruck depth.

The boy just could not replicate the form from that EF against Geelong, we all wanted him to be a raging success but it just wasn't to be.

All the best Sammy boy on your next footy adventure hope you make a good fist of it, just don't shove that fist up our rear ends when you face your old mob.

 

Edited October 9, 20223 yr by YesitwasaWin4theAges

Just now, The Jackson FIX said:

This is a bit dramatic 

Hardly....

So we can't get what we want (2x F1 1x F2) from Freo in exchange for losing Jackson. Keeping in mind our original ask was two early 1st rounders, so we've already begun to bend over and soften our stance despite claiming we wouldn't. 

Now, we find out they will add an F2 if we can find an F3. To get said F3, we need to offload a 25yo KPF/Ruck who whilst limited, can be relied upon to fill a role when our ageing rucks and forwards get injured - which in case you haven't noticed, happens a fair bit. Seasoned Ruck and KPF depth that costs sub $450k pa is not easy to find.

So not only have we already softened on our original ask - we've are now softening again - not on unproven draft picks, but on senior depth players who was a guarantee of playing 5-15 games next year. 

We're losing more than we wanted to gain less than we wanted. Overall it makes us weaker. 

Our recruiting team were the boldest in the land when they took Jackson at no.3. Very few recruiting teams would have taken that ruck with the AA ruckman already playing that role. The guy went on to play in a flag, win a rising star, and now we're having to bed over backwards and jettison senior players to get our 3rd order preference of 'what we want'. Not many ways to sugarcoat it.

With Soldo going to GWS, might be worth prying one of their backups out.

The return of Pruess? (Not really)

8 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

Hardly....

So we can't get what we want (2x F1 1x F2) from Freo in exchange for losing Jackson. Keeping in mind our original ask was two early 1st rounders, so we've already begun to bend over and soften our stance despite claiming we wouldn't. 

Now, we find out they will add an F2 if we can find an F3. To get said F3, we need to offload a 25yo KPF/Ruck who whilst limited, can be relied upon to fill a role when our ageing rucks and forwards get injured - which in case you haven't noticed, happens a fair bit. Seasoned Ruck and KPF depth that costs sub $450k pa is not easy to find.

So not only have we already softened on our original ask - we've are now softening again - not on unproven draft picks, but on senior depth players who was a guarantee of playing 5-15 games next year. 

We're losing more than we wanted to gain less than we wanted. Overall it makes us weaker. 

Our recruiting team were the boldest in the land when they took Jackson at no.3. Very few recruiting teams would have taken that ruck with the AA ruckman already playing that role. The guy went on to play in a flag, win a rising star, and now we're having to bed over backwards and jettison senior players to get our 3rd order preference of 'what we want'. Not many ways to sugarcoat it.

How can you be sure the Weideman trade is linked with the Jackson trade?

7 minutes ago, Mickey said:

With Soldo going to GWS, might be worth prying one of their backups out.

The return of Pruess? (Not really)

We had a lot of interest in Flynn in his draft year,  my guess is we'd be after him? 

This happened suddenly. Since when have Essendon been interested in the Weid?

If he goes I wish him luck. The club will find a depth ruck from somewhere. 

1 minute ago, Red and Blue realist said:

We had a lot of interest in Flynn in his draft year,  my guess is we'd be after him? 

I wonder if he could then form part of the Bedford trade...

8 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

Hardly....

So we can't get what we want (2x F1 1x F2) from Freo in exchange for losing Jackson. Keeping in mind our original ask was two early 1st rounders, so we've already begun to bend over and soften our stance despite claiming we wouldn't. 

Now, we find out they will add an F2 if we can find an F3. To get said F3, we need to offload a 25yo KPF/Ruck who whilst limited, can be relied upon to fill a role when our ageing rucks and forwards get injured - which in case you haven't noticed, happens a fair bit. Seasoned Ruck and KPF depth that costs sub $450k pa is not easy to find.

So not only have we already softened on our original ask - we've are now softening again - not on unproven draft picks, but on senior depth players who was a guarantee of playing 5-15 games next year. 

We're losing more than we wanted to gain less than we wanted. Overall it makes us weaker. 

Our recruiting team were the boldest in the land when they took Jackson at no.3. Very few recruiting teams would have taken that ruck with the AA ruckman already playing that role. The guy went on to play in a flag, win a rising star, and now we're having to bed over backwards and jettison senior players to get our 3rd order preference of 'what we want'. Not many ways to sugarcoat it.

Relax, everyone is getting too worked up this trade period. It’s about winning the war, not every battle. Sam Weideman being traded and/or not receiving a future second round pick in the jackson scenario won’t dramatically influence our future. I’m comfortable Lamb etc are well on top of what they need to be on top of.

50 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Freo will be inclined to add a future second-round pick to the two first-round picks if they get a selection back from Melbourne, such as Essendon’s future third they receive for Weideman, or the Bedford pick.

 

6 minutes ago, A F said:

How can you be sure the Weideman trade is linked with the Jackson trade?

It literally says it is in the article 

19 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Wonder if Meek comes into calculations at all?

 

Think you'll find he's too expensive - in draft picks and contract.