56 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

I think you'll find it restricted to only around 14 clubs, and maybe only 13 as Fitzroy were in a position where they could only dream of paying outside the cap.

Today's Age suggests strongly that rorting the salary cap was widespread around this time.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/many-clubs-rorted-salary-cap-league-knew-veteran-hawk-official-20200727-p55fy0.html

In other words, nothing to see here, folks. Don Scott just seems to be grandstanding for no reason.

On 7/27/2020 at 10:07 AM, Wadda We Sing said:

Melbourne Storm says hello.....

stripped of their 2007 & 2009 Premierships and 2006, 2007 and 2008 minor premierships for salary cap breaches and a record fine.

....if there is a paper trail, then there is a paper trail......bank accounts dont lie.

...unlikely we would be awarded a Flag, but they could certainly lose theirs.

Spot on WWS. Don Scott is an average conveyance but that has nothing to do with it. During the time of the alleged breaches he was someone within the club who held considerable influence. Investigate. If there's nothing there, so be it. Otherwise, there's no point in having an integrity officer whatsoever.

23 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

That article is behind a paywall so i can only guess what Scott is saying, but it will be very hard to trace Brown Paper Bags. 
 

That said, i have no doubt that Whorethorn were paying the lists of that era an incredibly huge amount of cash to keep them all together 

They were just a wrecking ball in ‘88-‘89

There's always a trail SWYL. Cash consistently being put in bank accounts by players themselves etc. And you only need the one whistle blower. 

And I don't get the 'everyone was doing it' bit. This was a club that won a series of Premierships with an all-star line -up. Clearly, not all clubs got the memo that you could cheat your [censored] off. And don't forget, meanwhile the VFL were giving Fitzroy the [censored] for being non- competitive.

Edited July 28, 20204 yr by Return to Glory

35 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Today's Age suggests strongly that rorting the salary cap was widespread around this time.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/many-clubs-rorted-salary-cap-league-knew-veteran-hawk-official-20200727-p55fy0.html

In other words, nothing to see here, folks. Don Scott just seems to be grandstanding for no reason.

Well, that's a relief! ......................You're kidding right?

So we get done for tanking, Carlton get done for salary cap and Hawthorn (who actually won multiple Premierships during that time) get a pass. The family club BS has always made me want to vomit by the way.

On 7/27/2020 at 10:25 AM, Macca said:

Gut feel LDcV ..  is Scott telling the truth? 

I lean towards yes but what do you think? Do you believe him or more importantly,  do you want to believe him? 

I'm sure it's true 'Macca' and agree that it will be closed down.

We dobbed ourselves in via Joe and paid for it, still are.

Then we got nailed on the tanking, again not the only club, paid for it and still are.

One of the big ones for me is performance enhancing drugs going back to the 80's and premierships.

There has always been a bit of a smell around those and key players are still in the game.

https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/hawks-great-don-scott-drops-salary-cap-cheating-bombshell-on-club-c-1195319?utm_campaign=share-icons&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&tid=1595823560518

I guess they really were the family club. Everyone in the family got paid, wives, girlfriends.

 

 

Edited July 28, 20204 yr by Return to Glory

28 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

There's always a trail SWYL. Cash consistently being put in bank accounts by players themselves etc. And you only need the one whistle blower. 

And I don't get the 'everyone was doing it' bit. This was a club that won a series of Premierships with an all-star line -up. Clearly, not all clubs got the memo that you could cheat your [censored] off. And don't forget, meanwhile the VFL were giving Fitzroy the [censored] for being non- competitive.

and how do you get access to player's bank accounts?

they are now past-players. no contractual connection to club or afl

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

and how do you get access to player's bank accounts?

they are now past-players. no contractual connection to club or afl

ATO.

1 minute ago, Wadda We Sing said:

ATO.

Is there a period of expiry?

1 minute ago, Return to Glory said:

Is there a period of expiry?

Ask Al Capone. Think theyd be looking anywhere atm.

33 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

There's always a trail SWYL. Cash consistently being put in bank accounts by players themselves etc. And you only need the one whistle blower. 

And I don't get the 'everyone was doing it' bit. This was a club that won a series of Premierships with an all-star line -up. Clearly, not all clubs got the memo that you could cheat your [censored] off. And don't forget, meanwhile the VFL were giving Fitzroy the [censored] for being non- competitive.

It was all over the place back then Glory. 
Records were not always kept. You cannot always trace cash. 
i have no doubt many Clubs were rorting

Whorethorn and Carlscum leading the way. I used to go out to Glenferrie Oval with ABC Journo’s on Thursday nights for the weekly Sausage BBQ. The “paper bags” existed in all different ways. 
i kept quiet and just observed, but i was so angry at the arrogance that just went on and on. 
 

Payment of wives during the early 80's was not uncommon. It was done primarily for tax reasons and done under the guise of laundry and secretarial services etc. It was only the major players as the rest were paid a pittance.

There was a big ATO audit done around 1983. Unsubstantiated rumours that certain football powerbrokers threatened to close down football if the ATO didn't back off.

1 hour ago, Wadda We Sing said:

ATO.

you seriously think ato would get involved for a relatively small amount of unpaid tax for something 30-40 years ago

i also don't think banks are legally obliged to keep account details for that long and i seriously doubt whether those tape backups would even be readable now

Ross Oakley the former CEO of the AFL has admitted that it occurred, but said this particular breach was never brought to his attention.

The Salary Cap officer was Phil Ryan, former 12 year President of the Hawks and Oakley was a former Hawks Board member.

Phil Ryan apparently told the Hawks to stop doing it.

Looks like things are happening at Hawthorn. Two super egos in Kennett and Clarkson going at each other. Don Scott throwing a king hit from behind again. Grab some popcorn, this may get very entertaining.

5 hours ago, rjay said:

I'm sure it's true 'Macca' and agree that it will be closed down.

We dobbed ourselves in via Joe and paid for it, still are.

Then we got nailed on the tanking, again not the only club, paid for it and still are.

One of the big ones for me is performance enhancing drugs going back to the 80's and premierships.

There has always been a bit of a smell around those and key players are still in the game.

Joe might have got word that the AFL knew about our salary cap breaches and got in first.

I suspect one of the reasons he's saying this now is that it's so far removed from recent history the AFL would almost consider itself to be a different competition now. 

Knowing that they aren't going to be any good this year maybe the AFL will strip them of premiership points for the season, they still get to snag pick #1 in the draft and thus the Hawks get to regenerate their list while claiming the victim card. Not dissimilar to Essendon who 100% should not have been eligible for the number one draft pick in 2016.