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11 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

No doubt they'll use covid as an excuse and it may well have disrupted plans. But for an organisation that has had this as a key issue for decades excuses no longer gain traction. Covid or not we just want answers and action.

Yes - there is an excuse every year: change of coach; youngest team in the comp (a few times); injuries and now COVID. Other teams seem to rise above these problems or at least look like it. We canโ€™t, as a club, keep looking for the next excuse to validate our mediocrity. We have a core of very good players just about to hit their prime. It really is now or never.

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4 minutes ago, 3183 Dee said:

Yes - there is an excuse every year: change of coach; youngest team in the comp (a few times); injuries and now COVID. Other teams seem to rise above these problems or at least look like it. We canโ€™t, as a club, keep looking for the next excuse to validate our mediocrity. We have a core of very good players just about to hit their prime. It really is now or never.

I was talking specifically about the home training base but you are correct, I have no doubt they will use the "disruption" due to Covid for any poor performances this year neglecting to mention our competitors have had to deal with the same circumstances.

There is no COVID19ย excuse.ย 
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All 18 Clubs have been given the same circumstances, so deal with it.ย 

 
21 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

What are the ramifications for the FD if we don't play finals this year considering the 4 year strategy unveiled at the AGM was to play finals every year from 2020-2023?

If a decision had to be made on Goodwin would the club be able to pay him out considering he is contracted to end of 2022?

What are the implications for the board who approved Goodwin's contract extension if we are hamstrung by that contract?

When will we hear any concrete announcements regarding a home base? Timeframes?

What revenue streams are we going to rely on to make up the lost revenue after we exit from the pokies?

What other revenue streams are the board working on to make up the shortfall in revenue in 2020?

Have the AFL confirmed we will be hosting Anzac Eve and Queens Birthday next year?

That's a start

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Yep, Id like to ask the same type of question about all of our targets and what he believes needs to happen to each one.

OUR AMBITIONSย 
FOR 2020-2023

MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB STRATEGIC PLAN 2020-2023
1. ON-FIELD PERFORMANCE
โ€ข Play in AFL and AFLW Finals each year
โ€ข Win at least 1 AFL and 1 AFLW Premiership
2. FINANCIAL โ€ข Deliver a combined $4m profit over 4 years
โ€ข Eliminate debt
โ€ข $30m + of income producing assets
3. OUR PEOPLE โ€ข To have a culture that inspires excellence and attracts new talent
4. OUR FANS โ€ข Grow to 75k members
โ€ข MCG home game average crowds of 50k +
5. OUR FACILITIES โ€ข Finish construction of high-performance facility at Casey Fields
โ€ข Start construction of new Melbourne home base facility

22 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

What are the ramifications for the FD if we don't play finals this year considering the 4 year strategy unveiled at the AGM was to play finals every year from 2020-2023?

If a decision had to be made on Goodwin would the club be able to pay him out considering he is contracted to end of 2022?

What are the implications for the board who approved Goodwin's contract extension if we are hamstrung by that contract?

When will we hear any concrete announcements regarding a home base? Timeframes?

What revenue streams are we going to rely on to make up the lost revenue after we exit from the pokies?

What other revenue streams are the board working on to make up the shortfall in revenue in 2020?

Have the AFL confirmed we will be hosting Anzac Eve and Queens Birthday next year?

That's a start

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All great questions mate but I can just see the โ€œCOVID has changed everything, weโ€™veย neededย to adaptโ€
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blah blah.ย 


7 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I was talking specifically about the home training base but you are correct, I have no doubt they will use the "disruption" due to Covid for any poor performances this year neglecting to mention our competitors have had to deal with the same circumstances.

I shouldโ€™ve caught up pages prior to posting.ย 
Ditto.ย 

Guys as I am about to be locked up I willย  be visiting my daughter and grand daughters tomorrow evening before the cut off so I probably won't hear the pod cast live. Will I be able to hear it later on?

8 minutes ago, old dee said:

Guys as I am about to be locked up I willย  be visiting my daughter and grand daughters tomorrow evening before the cut off so I probably won't hear the pod cast live. Will I be able to hear it later on?

Should be on the Home Page after going to air OD.ย 

I am often busy Wednesday night and listen Thursday morningย 

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2 hours ago, Brownie said:

Yep, Id like to ask the same type of question about all of our targets and what he believes needs to happen to each one.

OUR AMBITIONSย 
FOR 2020-2023

MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB STRATEGIC PLAN 2020-2023
1. ON-FIELD PERFORMANCE
โ€ข Play in AFL and AFLW Finals each year
โ€ข Win at least 1 AFL and 1 AFLW Premiership
2. FINANCIAL โ€ข Deliver a combined $4m profit over 4 years
โ€ข Eliminate debt
โ€ข $30m + of income producing assets
3. OUR PEOPLE โ€ข To have a culture that inspires excellence and attracts new talent
4. OUR FANS โ€ข Grow to 75k members
โ€ข MCG home game average crowds of 50k +
5. OUR FACILITIES โ€ข Finish construction of high-performance facility at Casey Fields
โ€ข Start construction of new Melbourne home base facility

i think we can forget point 4 entirely, which obviously has severe ramifications on point 2, but the first and the last are the main queries i want posed to bartlett

if @Demonlandย can address all of those items and what the ramifications of failure on each of them or, in the case of the last, an actual timeline on the latter then i'd be happy

1) what happens with coaching and football dept. if point 1 is not achieved in 2020?

2) when will the casey field facility be completed?

3) what is the actual timeline of the announcement of a plan - not even detail of it, just the timing! - to be announced for a 'home base facility?

4) given the effects of covid, is casey field facility a fallback option if the 'home base facility' shows itself to be an impossibility?

5) how are positioned to survive from a financial perspective given the shortfalls expected in points 2 and 4 as a result of covid-19?

6) point 3 is a classic ambition of every workplace, but how can we expected to attract new on-field talent given our consistently poor performance - 1 finals series in 14 years - for the majority of the lives of players 28 and under?

15 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Should be on the Home Page after going to air OD.ย 

I am often busy Wednesday night and listen Thursday morningย 

Thanks SWYL


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1 hour ago, old dee said:

Guys as I am about to be locked up I willย  be visiting my daughter and grand daughters tomorrow evening before the cut off so I probably won't hear the pod cast live. Will I be able to hear it later on?

Yes. Will be available to stream via this website or download via a podcast app.ย 

A penny for his thoughts on our players Covid suspensions vs McKenna and assuming the wet lettuce leaf the Pies players get away with..

2 hours ago, McQueen said:

All great questions mate but I can just see the โ€œCOVID has changed everything, weโ€™veย neededย to adaptโ€
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blah blah.ย 

Well unfortunately it has. Some of these things have been severely affected by COVID and that is out of the clubโ€™s hands.ย 

The on fieldย ย football stuff to an extent has also been disrupted by COVID.ย 

I do hope not every answer is COVID but itโ€™s naive to think it hasnโ€™t had a massive effect across the board.ย 

10 minutes ago, Lefty said:

Well unfortunately it has. Some of these things have been severely affected by COVID and that is out of the clubโ€™s hands.ย 

The on fieldย ย football stuff to an extent has also been disrupted by COVID.ย 

I do hope not every answer is COVID but itโ€™s naive to think it hasnโ€™t had a massive effect across the board.ย 

But all clubs are affected by Covid, The MFC are not special in this

We cannot hide

Would be very interested to know if Burgess' contract is just the 1 year, as that seems to have been the implication in all the media reporting but has not seemingly been confirmed or denied by the club.

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Given Mr Bartlett has said today on SEN that the "expectation is to play finals" in the same interview where the club has pleaded for financial donations, what are the ramifications if we don't meet expectations?

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16 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Given Mr Bartlett has said today on SEN that the "expectation is to play finals" in the same interview where the club has pleaded for financial donations, what are the ramifications if we don't meet expectations?

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I caught almost allย of the interview - have to say, he sounded exhausted!ย I admire his chutzpah in maintaining the previous commitment to finals this year: he couldโ€™ve gone down the COVID excuseย line.

To add to Lord Nevโ€™s question above, Iโ€™d also ask what the ramifications are to the coaching side of things, should we not hit our target? Would it depend upon how close or far away we end up?

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Repetition!


17 hours ago, McQueen said:

All great questions mate but I can just see the โ€œCOVID has changed everything, weโ€™veย neededย to adaptโ€
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blah blah.ย 

Nope.

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/735403/we-don-t-use-covid-19-as-an-excuse-bartlett

โ€œWe rolled out some club values at the start of the year and some expectations, and one of them is that weโ€™re not going to use COVID-19 as an excuseโ€

โ€œOur expectation is to play finals.

โ€œWe set out a strategic plan at the start of the year for the next four years and that plan hasnโ€™t been altered.

โ€œWe can still absolutely assess the performance on and off the field - the performance of our coaching group, our playing group, everyone across the club.

โ€œAbsolutely you need to take into account the circumstances weโ€™ve faced, but also how weโ€™ve dealt with those challenges and circumstances.โ€

I read this as an admission by the club that our response to COVID is where we can, and should, be analysed (i.e. rather than saying "COVID means this season's a write off", we need to accept COVID changes things but grade our performance based on how we adapt).

24 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Given Mr Bartlett has said today on SEN that the "expectation is to play finals" in the same interview where the club has pleaded for financial donations, what are the ramifications if we don't meet expectations?

What he's actually saying, if I read the articles correctly (I didn't hear the interview), is that we've decided to ask our supporters for donations and if we can get $1M in donations by the end of the year, we won't need to rely on an AFL assistance.

That, to me, is not an unreasonable financial decision. If we have a wealthy supporter base, why not try to tap into that before we have to go to the AFL?

I also don't think that's inconsistent with us saying we should still be playing finals.

On 6/29/2020 at 8:47 PM, old dee said:

Don't hold your breath Biff unless you ring in and ask they will not get asked. We are all too polite at the MFC.

Can I just call this out?

@Demonlandย and others go to significant effort to run the podcast and to get someone as important as Bartlett as a guest.

This isn't a hard-hitting investigative piece of journalism, it's an online forum.

How about, if you want to ask the club a question, you do it, and otherwise don't [censored] and moan about questions possibly not being asked of Bartlett tonight.ย 

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3 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Can I just call this out?

@Demonlandย and others go to significant effort to run the podcast and to get someone as important as Bartlett as a guest.

This isn't a hard-hitting investigative piece of journalism, it's an online forum.

How about, if you want to ask the club a question, you do it, and otherwise don't [censored] and moan about questions possibly not being asked of Bartlett tonight.ย 

This.

We appreciate Glen's time and the club's willingness to allow guests on our podcast and we're not going to badger our guests. We will be asking pertinent questions but we're not going hold Glen's feet to the fire.

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7 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

What he's actually saying, if I read the articles correctly (I didn't hear the interview), is that we've decided to ask our supporters for donations and if we can get $1M in donations by the end of the year, we won't need to rely on an AFL assistance.

That, to me, is not an unreasonable financial decision. If we have a wealthy supporter base, why not try to tap into that before we have to go to the AFL?

I also don't think that's inconsistent with us saying we should still be playing finals.

Sorry, maybe I should have been clearer.

What I'm saying is, if we're in such a poor financial situation; what are the realistic ramifications from a football department point of view if we don't meet the expectations he has set?

To use a crude example, if the season is judged as a failure due to the coaching, how can we possibly afford to pay out Goodwin's contract? I just wonder if the expectations actually have any teeth given the financial implications.

5 minutes ago, Demonland said:

This.

We appreciate Glen's time and the club's willingness to allow guests on our podcast and we're not going to badger our guests. We will be asking pertinent questions but we're not going hold Glen's feet to the fire.

You softies!! Where is your journalistic integ.... ohย itโ€™s just a footy forum.ย 
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Ps I do hope you at least gave his feet a tickle.


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