3 hours ago, binman said:

I agree.

However i think there is an issue connecting Omac and Smith in so far as they don't play the same role.

Smith is never going to be a lock down defender on a big. For one thing a good big forward, say a Kennedy or Darling, would simply have to much footy nous for him. 

If Oscar doesn't play then May has to be the lock down deep defender for their key big. But most teams have two big forwards and neither Smith or Lever are suited to matching up on them.  Then we have a problem.

if they keep him in defence I can see Smith taking Jetta's spot as he has the speed to go with a small, height and strength to go with a medium and leap to give the bigs a hand if a spoil from the second man in is needed. He would also have a bit more licence to take intercept marks. Used this way he would play a very similar role to Howe at the pies.

In that role Omac could come in to play his  full back, sweeper role allowing May to take the second big and be more attacking than if he has to play deep. It would also mean Lever can focus on the intercept role we brought him to the club to play.

You have my vote binman.

16 minutes ago, Stinger said:

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Can I add a few  more ??????????

They'll look at matchups in the backline for Oscar's case, but this week doesn't do him any favours.

You'd think it'll be something like;

• Smith to Stringer
• May to McKernan
• Jetta to Tippa
• Harmes to Devon Smith
• Lever to the fat side.

Can't see any changes to the back 6 this week.

5 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Didn't know he missed training due to niggle, so that makes more sense. On form, he would've been a lock for round 1. His ball use, pace, defensive zoning, and aggression with tackling make him a key part of our backline going forward IMO. I'd bring him straight in if he's fit.

Think we might struggle to contain Essendons small running brigade without a bit of a rejig to our structure. Lockhart and Pickett should come in.

I’m a big Lockhart fan so would be happy to see him come in. He’s a well rounded player as you say. I think he has a real future at the club.

Reading the scratch match review makes many players sound tempting to slot in - Weid, Vanders, Brown, Lockhart, O Mac, Sparrow, hell even Hannan sounds like he would be a good addition. 

One problem we have is vast majority of those who flopped on the weekend were “name players”. We can’t accept performances like we got on the weekend with the opposition slicing us up because our mids refuse to defend. With a full list to choose from, everyone regardless of their surname should be on notice.

And for god’s sake get Harmes into his 1 Wood role: placing a hard tag on the oppo’s best midfielder and being damaging while being led to the ball. Clamp down on Merrett and we’re halfway there.

1 minute ago, P-man said:

I’m a big Lockhart fan so would be happy to see him come in. He’s a well rounded player as you say. I think he has a real future at the club.

Reading the scratch match review makes many players sound tempting to slot in - Weid, Vanders, Brown, Lockhart, O Mac, Sparrow, hell even Hannan sounds like he would be a good addition. 

One problem we have is vast majority of those who flopped on the weekend were “name players”. We can’t accept performances like we got on the weekend with the opposition slicing us up because our mids refuse to defend. With a full list to choose from, everyone regardless of their surname should be on notice.

And for god’s sake get Harmes into his 1 Wood role: placing a hard tag on the oppo’s best midfielder and being damaging while being led to the ball. Clamp down on Merrett and we’re halfway there.

Beggars belief doesn't it?

Interesting listening to May’s presser after training today.

He said the Carlton game was reviewed in the rooms after the match so it’s fresh in their minds and they can start focusing on the Bombers instantly. Don’t mind that. May also touches on Harmes still getting familiar with that half back role. Doesn’t sound like Harmes will be moved out anytime soon.

DB’s injury report has no new casualties, no idea how they will go this week with changes. If Weid is included I’d love just to sit him at FF. 

11 minutes ago, GawnWithTheWind said:

They'll look at matchups in the backline for Oscar's case, but this week doesn't do him any favours.

You'd think it'll be something like;

• Smith to Stringer
• May to McKernan
• Jetta to Tippa
• Harmes to Devon Smith
• Lever to the fat side.

Can't see any changes to the back 6 this week.

I'd be swapping Jetta and Harmes roles. Ideally though Salem takes Harmes gig,  who goes to midfield  where he belongs .

8 minutes ago, old dee said:

Beggars belief doesn't it?

Not to me. Of our prime midfield of Oliver, Petracca and Viney, which would you swap out for Harmes..? 
Oliver was up against Cripps in the middle on Saturday, and was beating him around the ball early, with Cripps cutting lose up forward when Harmes was one of his matchups. 
Moving Harmes into the middle isn’t a zero sum game, as someone has to be removed to fit him in...

Edited June 16, 20204 yr by PaulRB

Can someone help with my memory? 

In the corresponding game last year, my recollection is that Goodwin did the following;

Ran Melksham through the centre bounces early where he was forced to apply some effort and had an immediate impact. 

Sent TMac down back in the second quarter after which we went on a seven-goal blitz. 

 

23 minutes ago, P-man said:

I’m a big Lockhart fan so would be happy to see him come in. He’s a well rounded player as you say. I think he has a real future at the club.

Reading the scratch match review makes many players sound tempting to slot in - Weid, Vanders, Brown, Lockhart, O Mac, Sparrow, hell even Hannan sounds like he would be a good addition. 

One problem we have is vast majority of those who flopped on the weekend were “name players”. We can’t accept performances like we got on the weekend with the opposition slicing us up because our mids refuse to defend. With a full list to choose from, everyone regardless of their surname should be on notice.

And for god’s sake get Harmes into his 1 Wood role: placing a hard tag on the oppo’s best midfielder and being damaging while being led to the ball. Clamp down on Merrett and we’re halfway there.

How will our so called gun mids learn,  and become accountable,  if we continue to bail them out with a run-with-player in there, doing half the job they have distaste for.?

17 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Interesting listening to May’s presser after training today.

He said the Carlton game was reviewed in the rooms after the match so it’s fresh in their minds and they can start focusing on the Bombers instantly. Don’t mind that. May also touches on Harmes still getting familiar with that half back role. Doesn’t sound like Harmes will be moved out anytime soon.

DB’s injury report has no new casualties, no idea how they will go this week with changes. If Weid is included I’d love just to sit him at FF. 

We can't afford to move Harmes back into mids, as we're trying to refashion the inside-mids, we need to sort thru them,  and get them working harder, and better together.

Big names are heavy to carry around, that takes energy, it seems;  so Oliver and Brayshaw,  just as Petracca last year,  need to work on when they/we,  do-not have the footy.!

 

These young fellas cruel their teammates too often,  by not giving other players the chop-out they Need.

 

The have to Stop be lazy in the mind,  when not attacking.

8 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

How will our so called gun mids learn,  and become accountable,  if we continue to bail them out with a run-with-player in there, doing half the job they have distaste for.?

Having Harmes going through the middle doesn’t relieve others of being accountable. If they aren’t doing their job when the ball is in opposition hands then they should come under the same amount of scrutiny irrespective of Harmes’ or anyone else’s role.

It is frustrating seeing our best tagger running off half back. In some respects we struck gold with Harmes and right now he is being wasted.

Just now, P-man said:

Having Harmes going through the middle doesn’t relieve others of being accountable. If they aren’t doing their job when the ball is in opposition hands then they should come under the same amount of scrutiny irrespective of Harmes’ or anyone else’s role.

It is frustrating seeing our best tagger running off half back. In some respects we struck gold with Harmes and right now he is being wasted.

We need the positions free to work thru our major ball-winners, who can specialise inside. we will I am sure begin to elevate other young mids very sioon, as soon as we startto find some form and wins. 

 

Players like Sparrow, Jordan inside;...  Bedford, &/or Chandler, maybe on a wing.

This is why I think Harmes is down back.. to allow these players to develop and come thru.

5 minutes ago, P-man said:

It is frustrating seeing our best tagger running off half back. In some respects we struck gold with Harmes and right now he is being wasted.

He isn't being wasted at all.  You must be just looking at the game ahead of us,  or the game just played.

 

Footy departments have to look to the growth of the team,  and the longer term view, and planning. 

IF we stayed as we were late 2018, then we will quickly fall behind all other clubs.

29 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Can someone help with my memory? 

In the corresponding game last year, my recollection is that Goodwin did the following;

Ran Melksham through the centre bounces early where he was forced to apply some effort and had an immediate impact. 

Sent TMac down back in the second quarter after which we went on a seven-goal blitz. 

 

I remember T Mac hobbling on one leg that night Sku and spending some time on the wing early then a significant amount of time on the pine during that blitz. There was a lot of talk post match about us playing our best footy that night while T Mac was out of the forward line. 

54 minutes ago, GawnWithTheWind said:

They'll look at matchups in the backline for Oscar's case, but this week doesn't do him any favours.

You'd think it'll be something like;

• Smith to Stringer
• May to McKernan
• Jetta to Tippa
• Harmes to Devon Smith
• Lever to the fat side.

Can't see any changes to the back 6 this week.

I feel Stringer is far too clever and experienced for Stringer.  Hibberd may get a look in. Jetta to Tippa but better have a plan b as Jetta sadly may be slowing.

I can see kozzie coming in and some change in positional movements to suit Bombers. But the strategy seems to be to let these 22 gel to be our best team available.  So the tactic of changing unless critically needed would go against the overall plan. I think Jonesy and Jacko and Smith will have 2 or 3 weeks more. Id hope so or Goody will have been pressured out of his original overall plan.

I believe Brown was stiff to miss based on the following.

His first game was below average and he made some fumbling errors. If he had taken those opportunities he would have been ok ish.  Assuming the Club did not recruit a fumbling player I think he could have been given a pass for his first or second game with a new Club under Covid conditions. I think we may have a future star with Jackson but boy he was no more pysically developed than J Watts at debut. Could have been seriously hurt in the ruck. Poor development

10 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

I feel Stringer is far too clever and experienced for Stringer.  Hibberd may get a look in. Jetta to Tippa but better have a plan b as Jetta sadly may be slowing.

Seems right. I think he's on very good terms with himself.

9 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

I remember T Mac hobbling on one leg that night Sku and spending some time on the wing early then a significant amount of time on the pine during that blitz. There was a lot of talk post match about us playing our best footy that night while T Mac was out of the forward line. 

Some of our Best footy in recent seasons was played when TMc was running hard,  high-forward and midfield,  and with Pederson playing follower.  Gawn out injured.

12 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

I feel Stringer is far too clever and experienced for Stringer.  Hibberd may get a look in. Jetta to Tippa but better have a plan b as Jetta sadly may be slowing.

He's sometimes been too clever for himself,  'Hff.

And I can see Hibbo's experience,  could help with the Dons pace and run.

27 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

I remember T Mac hobbling on one leg that night Sku and spending some time on the wing early then a significant amount of time on the pine during that blitz. There was a lot of talk post match about us playing our best footy that night while T Mac was out of the forward line. 

My memory is Tmac play the first three quarters on the forward and kicked 6/7. He got injured just before 3/4 time and did not come back in the last quarter. It was the last quarter when the blues played all over us and we fell in when Harmes kicked our only last quarter goal late in the quarter.

15 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Some of our Best footy in recent seasons was played when TMc was running hard,  high-forward and midfield,  and with Pederson playing follower.  Gawn out injured.

I'm with you. TMac has a huge tank that should be exploited as long as he's playing as a forward. Jackson or Weid have to make the FF possie their own. In fact, long term, why not Egg and Weid forward, and TMac, Lever and May as the talls in the backline?

4 minutes ago, old dee said:

My memory is Tmac play the first three quarters on the forward and kicked 6/7. He got injured just before 3/4 time and did not come back in the last quarter. It was the last quarter when the blues played all over us and we fell in when Harmes kicked our only last quarter goal late in the quarter.

That is correct od but I thought Skuit was talking about our match against Ess last season. 

In: Kozzy, Weideman

Out: ANB, Jackson

Maybe Smith for Hibberd though I think Essendon will kill us with pace so Hibberd won't help that