Surprised that nobody’s commented on Heritier Lumumba’s attack on Collingwood for what he claims to be the culture of systemic racism at the club while he was there. 

He left the Magpies after a decorated career of 199 games including a premiership and came to Melbourne where he played another 24 games. He hasn’t been critical of his time with the Dees.

He was also backed up by other indigenous players at CFC but rubbished by Peter Helier and Walid Aly on the Project.

Hard to imagine a culture of casual racism at Collingwood...

 

 

32 minutes ago, The Third Eye said:

He hasn’t been critical of his time with the Dees.

Not on this issue perhaps, but I do recall his departure being pretty acrimonious.

10 minutes ago, The Third Eye said:

Surprised that nobody’s commented on Heritier Lumumba’s attack on Collingwood for what he claims to be the culture of systemic racism at the club while he was there. 

He left the Magpies after a decorated career of 199 games including a premiership and came to Melbourne where he played another 24 games. He hasn’t been critical of his time with the Dees.

He was also backed up by other indigenous players at CFC but rubbished by Peter Helier and Walid Aly on the Project.

‘The Project’ Is Under Fire Over An “Unethical & Dishonest” 2017 Segment On Racism In The AFL

The Project copping some flak too.

Hellier came to fame with his characterisation based on a dumb Collingwood player. Perhaps it was a case of art imitating life?

26 minutes ago, The Third Eye said:

Surprised that nobody’s commented on Heritier Lumumba’s attack on Collingwood for what he claims to be the culture of systemic racism at the club while he was there. 

He left the Magpies after a decorated career of 199 games including a premiership and came to Melbourne where he played another 24 games. He hasn’t been critical of his time with the Dees.

He was also backed up by other indigenous players at CFC but rubbished by Peter Helier and Walid Aly on the Project.

That's why I have no interest in watching The Project.  Hellier can be amusing at times, but is cringeworthy when not.  He knows how powerful the Collingwood FC and it's head honchos are in the media and communications areas, which is where Hellier gets his bread buttered.  He's not going to ruffle feathers among the CFC power-brokers.

And Aly?  From the very few snippets I have heard from him, I think he uses his position on the show to cram his opinion/agenda down our throats, while very rarely covering all angles, or at the very minimum, looking at it objectively.  The Lumumba story is a classic example of that.

11 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

That's why I have no interest in watching The Project.  Hellier can be amusing at times, but is cringeworthy when not.  He knows how powerful the Collingwood FC and it's head honchos are in the media and communications areas, which is where Hellier gets his bread buttered.  He's not going to ruffle feathers among the CFC power-brokers.

And Aly?  From the very few snippets I have heard from him, I think he uses his position on the show to cram his opinion/agenda down our throats, while very rarely covering all angles, or at the very minimum, looking at it objectively.  The Lumumba story is a classic example of that.

That's his job. You don't have to agree with him, but it would be pointless if all he did was read the autocue like a robotic newsreader.

As to Lumumba's comments, I'm quite surprised, given all the protests on racial issues in Australia and around the world during the last fortnight, that the claims he made haven't received more coverage. It suggests to me either that Collingwood has worked very hard to minimise the media damage or that the media have decided previously that Lumumba is an unreliable source. Could be both, of course. 

There is something that doesn’t add up in this whole story. The Project was so dismissive, they must have known the possible consequences 

The vitriol i read yesterday from Filth sites was almost unanimous 

1 minute ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

That's his job. You don't have to agree with him, but it would be pointless if all he did was read the autocue like a robotic newsreader.

As to Lumumba's comments, I'm quite surprised, given all the protests on racial issues in Australia and around the world during the last fortnight, that the claims he made haven't received more coverage. It suggests to me either that Collingwood has worked very hard to minimise the media damage or that the media have decided previously that Lumumba is an unreliable source. Could be both, of course. 

Is it?  Is that his job?  Thanks for reassuring me that I'm not missing anything by not watching it.  I'm not asking for scripted bulltish either. I want his opinion, but I also what him to acknowledge that he's not always right, or that there's often a whole lot of grey in many issues that he talks about. For him to dismiss such a sensitive topic like racism just backs my view.

The problem I have is that if I don't agree with him, where's my platform to offer a different perspective?  That's why I choose not to watch his show.

Good on Lumumba. Like Goodes he will cop a lot of flak for speaking up but this country still has plenty of issues to confront before we can claim to be a free and egalitarian society.

23 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

The problem I have is that if I don't agree with him, where's my platform to offer a different perspective? 

Yeah there's a real absence of right-wing opinions in the media hey.... ?

19 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Yeah there's a real absence of right-wing opinions in the media hey.... ?

I don’t consider myself Right Wing person at all, but i don’t always believe every word Waleed says, including this very issue

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

I don’t consider myself Right Wing person at all, but i don’t always believe every word Waleed says, including this very issue

This is not about you, SWYL, but in my experience, it's amazing how many people believe they are in the extreme centre when so many others think they belong on the fringes, either left or right.

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I don’t consider myself Right Wing person at all, but i don’t always believe every word Waleed says, including this very issue

Didn't say anything about Waleed. Didn't say anything about believing every word he says. Didn't say either 'left' or 'right' get everything right. Just pointing out the ridiculousness of implying right wing commentators don't have a platform.

 

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5 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

This is not about you, SWYL, but in my experience, it's amazing how many people believe they are in the extreme centre when so many others think they belong on the fringes, either left or right.

Look at what is happening in the USA now

Close to Anarchy in certain places. It’s a fine line

29 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Yeah there's a real absence of right-wing opinions in the media hey.... ?

So if a "lefty" says something that I don't agree with, does that mean I have to jump on one of the "righty" platforms to respond?

7 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Didn't say anything about Waleed. Didn't say anything about believing every word he says. Didn't say either 'left' or 'right' get everything right. Just pointing out the ridiculousness of implying right wing commentators don't have a platform.

 

Is this what I said?  Is this what I implied?  I'll give you the answer - NO to both.

6 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Didn't say anything about Waleed. Didn't say anything about believing every word he says. Didn't say either 'left' or 'right' get everything right. Just pointing out the ridiculousness of implying right wing commentators don't have a platform.

 

Ok

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Ok

One thing I will say though, he's a nifty guitarist.

(Think I've had my political fill for the day)

3 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

One thing I will say though, he's a nifty guitarist.

(Think I've had my political fill for the day)

Haven’t seen Waleed Play Guitar

The mind boggles. I am sure he thinks he is fantastic!!!

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

Haven’t seen Waleed Play Guitar

The mind boggles. I am sure he thinks he is fantastic!!!

Without continuing too much with this quickly derailing thread, away from the tele he's actually one of the most boringly normal people you'd ever meet. My opinion is he has to be a bit more 'out there' on tv given it's, well, tv, and also because he has to contrast/deal with the conservative commentators they often have on the show.

Anyways, 'left or right' will be the death of us all so I'm going to check out for now. Have a good one mate!

Just now, Lord Nev said:

Without continuing too much with this quickly derailing thread, away from the tele he's actually one of the most boringly normal people you'd ever meet. My opinion is he has to be a bit more 'out there' on tv given it's, well, tv, and also because he has to contrast/deal with the conservative commentators they often have on the show.

Anyways, 'left or right' will be the death of us all so I'm going to check out for now. Have a good one mate!

Yes it is a pity he cannot just be himself. The exact reason i cannot watch the program

Lumumba claims to have taken magic mushrooms to deal with racism. It make me feel shallow that I only took shrooms to experience inter-dimensional consciousness.

35 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Yeah there's a real absence of right-wing opinions in the media hey.... ?

As a maturing nation and society, you'd think that beliefs leaning towards right wing - as with left wing beliefs - would be tolerated, just because these are the opinions of the thinking man. Centralist considerations would be applicable here, too, if matters were to prove to be wrong and harmful to others.

The rights to challenge points of view are gratefully more prevalent now, as well; this is another sign of a maturing society. Does this assist to create a more unitarian environment?

What is not so pleasing is the growth in unreasonable alienation and intolerance for beliefs alone - whether these be political, social, cultural, sexual, racial, et al and infinitum. The passion with which those extolling intolerance, prejudice, overt criticism and/or distaste on such matters is merely a stage of their own innate ignorance of which many are exceedingly proud and retentive.

It is not a blast from the past, it is perhaps a shallow depth of perception. I struggle, as well, with some issues where my overt rejection is highly questionable; for example: most things to do with The Filth Football Club and the state of footy umpiring to advantage, these days. Hence, I await illumination on positives for these latter two elements of my own prejudices and perhaps many more of which I am not aware. 

People will have different perspectives on all things in life What must be upheld is their right to so do. We live in a conundrum.

15 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

One thing I will say though, he's a nifty guitarist.

(Think I've had my political fill for the day)

 

7 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Without continuing too much with this quickly derailing thread, away from the tele he's actually one of the most boringly normal people you'd ever meet. My opinion is he has to be a bit more 'out there' on tv given it's, well, tv, and also because he has to contrast/deal with the conservative commentators they often have on the show.

Anyways, 'left or right' will be the death of us all so I'm going to check out for now. Have a good one mate!

Hahaha, you're so funny, LN.  You say that you think you've had your political fill for the day, then you follow it up 8 minutes later with another political reference, which was totally unprovoked.  In that time, only one person added to the thread, SWYL, and he talked about playing the guitar.

29 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

So if a "lefty" says something that I don't agree with, does that mean I have to jump on one of the "righty" platforms to respond?

Um, you're talking about a TV show.  Unless you want to start your own TV show, then there's not really any other way you're going to be able to respond anyway... try yelling at your TV; that might help.