I did end up watching the 88 GF and I tell you what boy we shot ourselves in the foot. The Hawks ran over us from midway through the 2nd quarter but we had plenty of chances early to be a few goals up and just [censored] the bed. I mean Garry Lyon missed a set shot 35-40m out almost directly in front! Few others went begging too.

I reckon we tried to outsmart ourselves early too, with O'Dwyer out we had Stynes as our solo ruck. But he started at full forward with Danny Hughes in the ruck and Stretch at full back on Dunstall. Yeah Dunstall was probably too quick for Hughes but Hughes was our full back and could at least match Dunstall for strength. Brereton gave Duursma a bath as well. We were focused on playing the man but did it unsuccessfully (unlike the Cats a year later) where it had little impact except to cost us free kicks and 50s.

I was flicking through YouTube last night and had the 64 Grand Final going in the background (newsreel footage but highlights from all 4 quarters). Don't know what I'll watch next I might follow 88 up with 89 as I have most of the replays front hat year (I think there's only 2 games I'm missing). The finals series will also be worth watching for Ablett alone, I watched the complete 88 finals series (Hawks/blues semi was surprisingly close) so might do the same with 89.

On 4/10/2020 at 6:57 PM, Dr. Gonzo said:

I've been rewatching all the replays I have from season 1988. Just finished the home and away season last night, our two wins over the Pies in home and away were great particularly the one at the G late in the season, we steamrolled them. We then got belted by the Hawks at Waverley and lost another 4 in a row after that (to the Eagles in Perth, Richmond!, Footscray at the G and the Bombers at Windy Hill) before cementing a finals spot in the last round beating Carlton in a game that went down to the last 10 minutes or so. We're top 2 or 3 for a lot of the season and threw it away with that run of losses. We also got belted by the Swans at the G in round 15 a week after beating Geelong in Geelong. 2 or 3 losses there that should've been wins and cost us a double chance during the finals.

Now to get on and watch the 3 finals wins - do I dare watch the Grand Final? I've only seen it once since watching live as a 6 year old and I reckon I didn't even watch the 2nd half that day. I think I'll have to for completeness sake but it will be a bitter watch.

Presuming these are all on VHS? I’d love someone to upload all of 1988 H and A on YouTube.

I watched the 1994 finals series today. We were on fire and had a lot of injuries. Schwartz getting knocked out in the final minutes against Footscray was a real shame. If we’d had a consistent side that series, I think we would have gone all the way. Going over West was a tough ask

40 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Presuming these are all on VHS? I’d love someone to upload all of 1988 H and A on YouTube.

I watched the 1994 finals series today. We were on fire and had a lot of injuries. Schwartz getting knocked out in the final minutes against Footscray was a real shame. If we’d had a consistent side that series, I think we would have gone all the way. Going over West was a tough ask

But we were never consistent. All of those years we played Finals we had long Flat Spots that killed us. 
 

Good Teams don’t lose 2-3 in a row

We still do it 25 years later

It’s exactly why the Hollywood Boulevard situation in the rooms should have been addressed 

Those on the Boulevard were no better than the rest

 

 

SWYL... Hollywood Boulevard? 

23 minutes ago, Fanatique Demon said:

SWYL... Hollywood Boulevard? 

A group of players who all had lockers next to each other and regarded themselves as the elite of the group. A boys club. selective of who they let in..I think that was the gist of the infamous Hollywood Blvd. G Lyon was the leader.

 

On 4/6/2020 at 9:54 PM, MyFavouriteMartian said:

 

Robbie still makes me tremble in awe of his skills. The best footballer I have ever seen, and the most consistent. Perfect balance, kicking, evasion, run-with-ball, great marking and spoiling, tremendous nouse for the game and scoring cleanly. A total champion.

a blast from the past.........lots of talking points here

Earliest surviving Australian Rules footage: 1909 VFL Grand Final, South Melbourne vs Carlton

9 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

A group of players who all had lockers next to each other and regarded themselves as the elite of the group. A boys club. selective of who they let in..I think that was the gist of the infamous Hollywood Blvd. G Lyon was the leader.

 

Thanks for explaining, L36. I hadn't heard of that group before.

Lockdown viewing :

Highly recommend Unorthodox on Netflix.

Tiger King is good, but very annoying characters

Oh, you meant football.... oops.

Pornhub 

37 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Pornhub 

Too much information WYL.

What happens in Thailand should stay in Thailand.

27 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Too much information WYL.

What happens in Thailand should stay in Thailand.

Back in Melbourne 

So dull and Boring!!!

I dared to watch the a replay of the 1987 Prelim...Jim Stynes actually gives away at 15m penalty earlier in the game, and in the Final quarter John Kennedy of the hawks is awarded a goal when the ball seems to miss/hit the post (same one Ricky Jackson hits 1 year later interestingly enough)

31 minutes ago, BillyBeane said:

I dared to watch the a replay of the 1987 Prelim...Jim Stynes actually gives away at 15m penalty earlier in the game, and in the Final quarter John Kennedy of the hawks is awarded a goal when the ball seems to miss/hit the post (same one Ricky Jackson hits 1 year later interestingly enough)

My vague memory of the game also says Eishold took a Lunging chest mark in the goal square but he slide outside the square and was directed by the umpire to kick from an acute angle, which he missed. I thought at the time he took the mark within the square so should have kicked from dead in front. A goal would have won the game. I remember Ex umpire Harry Beitzel saying you take the kick from where the marker ends up, not where he took the mark! So if I take a lunging mark running into the goal line and slide through I then take my kick backwards from the fence? Never made sense but then there was all the confusion about Jim crossing the line but after the siren so does the rule still apply..... fact is we had numerous chances to sow it up but it also summed up our unique ability to fail and Hawthorn’s tin [censored] ability to scramble through for a win they never deserved but to their credit they just kept plugging away hoping and we’re rewarded. 

14 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

My vague memory of the game also says Eishold took a Lunging chest mark in the goal square but he slide outside the square and was directed by the umpire to kick from an acute angle, which he missed. I thought at the time he took the mark within the square so should have kicked from dead in front. A goal would have won the game. I remember Ex umpire Harry Beitzel saying you take the kick from where the marker ends up, not where he took the mark! So if I take a lunging mark running into the goal line and slide through I then take my kick backwards from the fence? Never made sense but then there was all the confusion about Jim crossing the line but after the siren so does the rule still apply..... fact is we had numerous chances to sow it up but it also summed up our unique ability to fail and Hawthorn’s tin [censored] ability to scramble through for a win they never deserved but to their credit they just kept plugging away hoping and we’re rewarded. 

Tony Campell and Graeme Years also missed relatively easy goals from about 35-40 out as well, I think Campbell had the option to pass to Flower in the goal square as well.

6 hours ago, daisycutter said:

a blast from the past.........lots of talking points here

Earliest surviving Australian Rules footage: 1909 VFL Grand Final, South Melbourne vs Carlton

Some very brief footage in here from our 1939 premiership win over the Pies (never mind what the description says)

https://www.britishpathe.com/video/australian-rugby-championship-aka-rugby-football

 

 

23 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Presuming these are all on VHS? I’d love someone to upload all of 1988 H and A on YouTube.

I watched the 1994 finals series today. We were on fire and had a lot of injuries. Schwartz getting knocked out in the final minutes against Footscray was a real shame. If we’d had a consistent side that series, I think we would have gone all the way. Going over West was a tough ask

Yeah all from VHS - I do plan on uploading this stuff one day (I've built a bit of a collection) just have to get around to it - also not sure how to do it because YouTube seems to limit videos to 5 minutes or so (though I've seen complete games put up??)

1 hour ago, Earl Hood said:

My vague memory of the game also says Eishold took a Lunging chest mark in the goal square but he slide outside the square and was directed by the umpire to kick from an acute angle, which he missed. I thought at the time he took the mark within the square so should have kicked from dead in front. A goal would have won the game. I remember Ex umpire Harry Beitzel saying you take the kick from where the marker ends up, not where he took the mark! So if I take a lunging mark running into the goal line and slide through I then take my kick backwards from the fence? Never made sense but then there was all the confusion about Jim crossing the line but after the siren so does the rule still apply..... fact is we had numerous chances to sow it up but it also summed up our unique ability to fail and Hawthorn’s tin [censored] ability to scramble through for a win they never deserved but to their credit they just kept plugging away hoping and we’re rewarded. 

That was the difference in cultures;  there's was a dare to win at any cost culture, Ours was to play too much inside the rules;  the cubs cultures born of their previous years of experiences. Hawks of tough uncompromising even brutal winning ways and of dour struggles to grind away.

Ours was most recently of getting pummelled,  as a club.   By most all comers.  The new young players and interstate recruits did not bring the negative nervousness into the club. 

It lived on in the supporters minds, memories, and that negative vibe was brought to the games.

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yeah all from VHS - I do plan on uploading this stuff one day (I've built a bit of a collection) just have to get around to it - also not sure how to do it because YouTube seems to limit videos to 5 minutes or so (though I've seen complete games put up??)

Have a talk to SWYL.  maybe even a way to digitise them.???

Edited April 22, 20205 yr by MyFavouriteMartian

16 hours ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

That was the difference in cultures;  there's was a dare to win at any cost culture, Ours was to play too much inside the rules;  the cubs cultures born of their previous years of experiences. Hawks of tough uncompromising even brutal winning ways and of dour struggles to grind away.

The Hawks also got lucky with Zoning and basically had a state team

16 hours ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

It lived on in the supporters minds, memories, and that negative vibe was brought to the games.

...and it's never gone away!

 

22 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

My vague memory of the game also says Eishold took a Lunging chest mark in the goal square but he slide outside the square and was directed by the umpire to kick from an acute angle, which he missed. I thought at the time he took the mark within the square so should have kicked from dead in front. A goal would have won the game. I remember Ex umpire Harry Beitzel saying you take the kick from where the marker ends up, not where he took the mark! So if I take a lunging mark running into the goal line and slide through I then take my kick backwards from the fence? Never made sense but then there was all the confusion about Jim crossing the line but after the siren so does the rule still apply..... fact is we had numerous chances to sow it up but it also summed up our unique ability to fail and Hawthorn’s tin [censored] ability to scramble through for a win they never deserved but to their credit they just kept plugging away hoping and we’re rewarded. 

Stop being clinical: I have cried ever since...

9 hours ago, BillyBeane said:

The Hawks also got lucky with Zoning and basically had a state team

...and it's never gone away!

Yea, I know. I still struggle to watch '87 prelim,   and don't really want to watch the  '88 GF.

 

On 4/22/2020 at 9:12 PM, Dr. Gonzo said:

Some very brief footage in here from our 1939 premiership win over the Pies (never mind what the description says)

https://www.britishpathe.com/video/australian-rugby-championship-aka-rugby-football

 

 

Appreciate the link Dr. G! British Pathe footage, with an authentic Aussie voiceover. Well before our time, but has that distinctive style of going to flicks (Saturday nights?) and watching the Australian Movietone News. Rupert was still learning his trade at the Melbourne Herald. 80 odd seconds of the stuff of legends! A viewing of the brief highlights show how truly magnificent the Redlegs team of that era must have been. Surprisingly reminiscent of the contested ball, once possession was gained, move the ball quickly with creative handball and clean kicking skills to an open forward line, where will of the wisp small forwards kick accurately for goal. (Considered to be desirable in today's era of the 'game plan'). Norm Smith received an award for 'most unselfish'. Evidence of his team orientated play was clearly on display twice at 00:30 with a well directed handball that cleared the pack, followed at 01:00 by a 'creative' handball to Alby Rodda front and square for a six pointer. Both involvements would be described as goal assists now. Never going to complain about the look away, backwards over 

 

the head handball again!

Edited April 24, 20205 yr by Tarax Club

Was there ever a more disappointing night in Australian sport

It was fated to be one of Australia soccer’s most memorable nights. A return to the global game’s top table at the sixth attempt of asking - nearly 24 years after the pioneers of 1974 blazed the trail.

A once-in-a-generation crop of talent. A mix of exciting youth - a teenage Harry Kewell, a bustling Mark Viduka - and experienced stars like Tobin and Arnold. Will the Socceroos ever see the like of this squad? One of the world’s top coaches - England and Barcelona’s Terry Venables. He still hasn’t lost a game in charge of the Socceroos since he came down under, but he’ll taste the sickly sweet bile of defeat in his mouth tonight.

The sadness in the voice of Craig Foster after full-time said it all. The emptiness of Johnny Warren’s post-match analysis. It’s inexplicable that this team - having played that match, aren’t going to France to mix it with Rivaldo, Zinedine Zidane etc. They utterly dominated Iran, the Socceroos. It could have been five-nil inside the first ten minutes. They only needed one of those chances, and it all could have been so different.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2020/apr/24/australia-v-iran-world-cup-qualifying-playoff-liveblog