Jump to content

Dees 2020: The Good, Bad & Ugly

Demonland
Demonland
in Melbourne Demons

Featured Replies

3 hours ago, deanox said:

 

If he plays the role I expect him to, those watching at the ground will think Goodwin's a genius and those watching on tv will have no idea why he is getting picked every week because he hardly gets near the ball, especially compared to the excitement Frost brought!

If he plays a different role than I expect (eg as a KPD), I think he'll struggle to add a whole lot of value. 

 

He is the anti frost.

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Haha 1
     

    Someone posted a really good analysis a while ago about how Tomilinson positions himself which prohibits teams from switching play or transitioning quickly from defense.

    Agree, and in turn, teams against us become more predictable in their exits and present chances to overturn the possession. That hesitation is what gives defensive forwards opportunities.

  • Quote
    14 hours ago, deanox said:

     

    If he plays the role I expect him to, those watching at the ground will think Goodwin's a genius and those watching on tv will have no idea why he is getting picked every week because he hardly gets near the ball, especially compared to the excitement Frost brought!

    If he plays a different role than I expect (eg as a KPD), I think he'll struggle to add a whole lot of value. 

     

    An excellent example of why watching footy at the ground is a different expereince to watching it at home. Apart from the greater emotional involvement of being present, the ability to see the game as a whole, rather than the execution of play by individuals, is why I like attending games in person.

    To go one step further, if anyone from the TV networks is reading this, please understand that close-ups of play while it is happening isn't particularly revealing. They are good for replays, but not live while the play is unfolding.

  • Quote
    • Like 5
     
    5 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    To go one step further, if anyone from the TV networks is reading this, please understand that close-ups of play while it is happening isn't particularly revealing. They are good for replays, but not live while the play is unfolding

    Time perhaps for the broadcasters to give multiple streams so you can follow how you like it.

    Foxtel cricket gave you a choice between their sky camera and the traditional view. It didn't do much for me as cricket is a different game for viewing purposes but I think it would be useful for AFL.

    Kayo being forced to take the channel 7 feed for many AFL games is a real downer for the product as well.

    Edited by Diamond_Jim

  • Quote
    • Like 2
    8 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    An excellent example of why watching footy at the ground is a different expereince to watching it at home. Apart from the greater emotional involvement of being present, the ability to see the game as a whole, rather than the execution of play by individuals, is why I like attending games in person.

    To go one step further, if anyone from the TV networks is reading this, please understand that close-ups of play while it is happening isn't particularly revealing. They are good for replays, but not live while the play is unfolding.

    Perfectly put LDC, I too much prefer whatching the game at the ground.

    But that is not always possible, for me watching on TV seriously lessens the experience.

    PS. I often watch it on TV without sound.

    Edited by old dee

  • Quote
    • Like 2

    17 minutes ago, old dee said:

    PS. I often watch it on TV without sound.

    Likewise old dee, except I always watch without the sound, often with music playing.   I do the same with the cricket.

    Just like being at the ground, you don't need idiots telling you what you can see with your own eyes.

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    15 hours ago, demonstone said:

    Likewise old dee, except I always watch without the sound, often with music playing.   I do the same with the cricket.

    Just like being at the ground, you don't need idiots telling you what you can see with your own eyes.

    I watch TV with the sound on because I believe it adds to the atmosphere. It would be too quiet at home watching on TV without it. However, I'm constantly surprised at how little is added to the experience by the so-called special comments contributors. They either repeat verbally what I've just seen or claim particular plays or actions had a purpose or motive that requires one to suspend belief.

    Edit: Not all special comments people. Without starting a debate about who, as commentators are good, bad or ugly (consistent with the thread title), there are a couple whose contributions I quite enjoy. 

    Edited by La Dee-vina Comedia

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    On 1/29/2020 at 10:04 PM, binman said:

    He is the anti frost.

    It's a pretty good description. He is dour, positional, and plays to team structure and rules. His main attribute is endurance running.  Frost was exciting, free form and creative. His main attribute was electric speed. 

    Both have their place, but I think Tomlinson fits our needs and our game plan better. 

  • Quote
    • Like 1
     
    On 1/31/2020 at 6:00 AM, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    I watch TV with the sound on because I believe it adds to the atmosphere. It would be too quiet at home watching on TV without it. However, I'm constantly surprised at how little is added to the experience by the so-called special comments contributors. They either repeat verbally what I've just seen or claim particular plays or actions had a purpose or motive that requires one to suspend belief.

    Edit: Not all special comments people. Without starting a debate about who, as commentators are good, bad or ugly (consistent with the thread title), there are a couple whose contributions I quite enjoy. 

    we should be honest....

    we all turn the sound up when we are 30plus points ahead in the last quarter.

    Need I say more

    Speeeeeeeeeciallllll   Cyril...................

  • Quote
    8 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    we should be honest....

    we all turn the sound up when we are 30plus points ahead in the last quarter.

    Need I say more

    Speeeeeeeeeciallllll   Cyril...................

    Hmm so you don't have the sound up very often DJ?

    Edited by old dee

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Haha 1

    If there was an option to just hear the crowd noise without the execrable commentators and ads, I'd love to listen to that.  Unfortunately, that's not possible, at least not on the FTA channel which is all I have available to me.

  • Quote
    • Like 4

    in a perfect world you would have a choice between three sound tracks being full commentary, light commentary (soccer like...minimal words) and just crowd noise.

    Hard to think of other sports where you get a radio style commentary while play is in progress

  • Quote
    • Like 3
    16 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    Hard to think of other sports where you get a radio style commentary while play is in progress

    Some of the cricket commentators (hello Shane Warne and Michael Slater) don't appreciate the value of silence and just don't know when to shut up and stop talking just for the sake of it. 

    One of Richie Benaud's maxims was to never tell the viewers what they could see for themselves.  Less is more, in other words.

  • Quote
    18 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    in a perfect world you would have a choice between three sound tracks being full commentary, light commentary (soccer like...minimal words) and just crowd noise.

    Hard to think of other sports where you get a radio style commentary while play is in progress

    Ice hockey does it best DJ. Some of the top TV commentators make the game more exciting than it looks, that’s if you enjoy the sport. Radio commentary of the game goes to another level though. Such a fast sport and the detail is immaculate. I guess they don’t have time to talk gibberish.

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    Once went to an ice hockey game. It was the first of a play off series between the Washington Capitals and the Penguins. Very strange rules. Had no idea what was going on most of the time with seemingly more players in the sin bin than on the ice. Must be similar for a first time viewer of AFL. From my American friends test cricket is their hardest to appreciate. I tell them it's much the same for us and baseball.

    Many people with team colours but 95% with one player on their jacket.... Ovechkin... felt sorry for the other members of the team

    Edited by Diamond_Jim

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    On 1/29/2020 at 12:23 PM, old dee said:

    Unlike some Ernest I actually think we are a good chance in game 1.

    Hope you are right Ernest

    Would be a better way of making a relevant statement  to the supporters than all the talk and fluff so far form the players.

     

  • Quote
    20 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    Once went to an ice hockey game. It was the first of a play off series between the Washington Capitals and the Penguins. Very strange rules. Had no idea what was going on most of the time with seemingly more players in the sin bin than on the ice. Must be similar for a first time viewer of AFL. From my American friends test cricket is their hardest to appreciate. I tell them it's much the same for us and baseball.

    Many people with team colours but 95% with one player on their jacket.... Ovechkin... felt sorry for the other members of the team

    Have only ever watched it on tv and it is just too fast for me add all the constant player changes and I am left totally confused.

    By comparison baseball is easy.

    Edited by old dee

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    1 hour ago, Kent said:

    Hope you are right Ernest

    Would be a better way of making a relevant statement  to the supporters than all the talk and fluff so far form the players.

     

    It is the time of the football year when clubs/players feel obliged to increase the hope of supporters.

    Talk is the only thing they can do at this time.

    I don't mind it, saying that probably means I need a little encouragement as well.

     

  • Quote
    On 2/1/2020 at 10:53 AM, deanox said:

    It's a pretty good description. He is dour, positional, and plays to team structure and rules. His main attribute is endurance running.  Frost was exciting, free form and creative. His main attribute was electric speed. 

    Both have their place, but I think Tomlinson fits our needs and our game plan better. 

    I liked Frost, but my personal description of his would be fast, unpredictable, and (with the ball) unreliable. In a contest he was good but he got caught out of position several times due to his "Frost Ball" style.

    I'll say this though, it was a damn sight better to watch than others in the team seemingly going through the motions.

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    21 hours ago, Pates said:

    I liked Frost, but my personal description of his would be fast, unpredictable, and (with the ball) unreliable. In a contest he was good but he got caught out of position several times due to his "Frost Ball" style.

    I'll say this though, it was a damn sight better to watch than others in the team seemingly going through the motions.

    I would personally agree with that assessment, but I'm also aware that those who are pro Frost would read that as a loaded/bias assessment, so instead chose adjectives that describe him at his best to illustrate the two styles as contrasting, rather than good/bad.

    I wish he was able to rein in the so his flair could be emphasized, but he never got there at Melbourne.  His ability to close on a lead was second to none however he next mistake was always too costly in the style of defense we are trying to play. 

  • Quote

    On Frost, and “Frost Ball”, it was fun to watch, when it worked, and a sign of our desperate lack of depth when it didn’t. 
    Prefer Harmes or Smith or even Tomlinson playing the role Frosty played. 
    I will miss yelling “FROOOSTY!!!” Excitedly as he charges chaotically forward...

  • Quote
    On 1/29/2020 at 5:39 PM, Webber said:

    deanox made the excellent analysis, and it was fascinating, particularly as Tomlinson’s abilities in this way will perfectly suit our needs. 

    A hazy recollection, at best, but I think I can remember this summation on Tomlinson coming from The Kid/Dermie Brereton. 

    Edited by Deemania since 56

  • Quote

    • Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

    Guest
    Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
    Reply to this topic...
    Go to topic listing

    Featured Content

    • PREVIEW: Essendon

      As the focus of the AFL moves exclusively to South Australia for Gather Round, the question is raised as to what are we going to get from the  Melbourne Football Club this weekend? Will it be a repeat of the slop fest of the last three weeks that have seen the team score a measly 174 points and concede 310 or will a return to the City of Churches and the scene where they performed at their best in 2024 act as a wakeup call and bring them out of their early season reverie? 
      Or will the sleepy Dees treat their fans to a reenactment of their lazy effort from the first Gather Round of two years ago when they allowed the Bombers to trample all over them on a soggy and wet Adelaide Oval? The two examples from above tell us how fickle form can be in football. Last year, a committed group of players turned up in Adelaide with a businesslike mindset. They had a plan, went in confidently and hard for the football and kicked winning scores against both home teams in a difficult environment for visitors. And they repeated that sort of effort later in the season when they played Essendon at the MCG. Unfortunately, performances like these went against the grain of what Melbourne has been producing from virtually midway through 2024 and extending right through to the present day. This is a game between two clubs who have faltered over the past couple of years because their disposal efficiency is appalling. Neither of them can hit the side of a barn door but history tells us that every once in a while such teams have their lucky days or come up against an opponent in even worse shape and hence, one of them will come up trumps in this match.

      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PREGAME: Essendon

      Facing the very real and daunting prospect of starting the season with five straight losses, the Demons head to South Australia for the annual Gather Round, where they’ll take on the Bombers in search of their first win of the year. Who comes in, and who comes out?

        • Like
      • 258 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • NON-MFC: Round 05

      Gather Round is here, kicking off with a Thursday night blockbuster as Adelaide faces Geelong. The Crows will be out for redemption after a controversial loss last week. Saturday starts with the Magpies taking on the Swans. Collingwood will be eager to cement their spot in the top eight, while Sydney is hot on their heels. In the Barossa Valley, two rising sides go head-to-head in a fascinating battle to prove they're the real deal. Later, Carlton and West Coast face off at Adelaide Oval, both desperate to notch their first win of the season. The action then shifts to Norwood, where the undefeated Lions will aim to keep their streak alive against the Bulldogs. Sunday’s games begin in the Barossa with Richmond up against Fremantle. In Norwood, the Saints will be looking to take a scalp when they come up against the Giants. The round concludes with a fiery rematch of last year's semi-final, as the Hawks seek revenge for their narrow loss to Port Adelaide. Who are you tipping this week and what are the best results for the Demons besides us winning?

      • 17 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • CASEY: Geelong

      There was a time in the second quarter of the game at the Cattery on Friday afternoon when the Casey Demons threatened to take the game apart against the Cats. The Demons had been well on top early but were struggling to convert their ascendancy over the ground until Tom Fullarton’s burst of three goals in the space of eight minutes on the way to a five goal haul and his best game for the club since arriving from Brisbane at the end of 2023. He was leading, marking and otherwise giving his opponents a merry dance as Casey grabbed a three goal lead in the blink of an eye. Fullarton has now kicked ten goals in Casey’s three matches and, with Melbourne’s forward conversion woes, he is definitely in with a chance to get his first game with the club in next week’s Gather Round in Adelaide. Despite the tall forward’s efforts - he finished with 19 disposals and eight marks and had four hit outs as back up to Will Verrall in the second half - it wasn’t enough as Geelong reigned in the lead through persistent attacks and eventually clawed their way to the lead early in the last and held it till they achieved the end aim of victory.

      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • REPORT: Geelong

      I was disappointed to hear Goody say at his post match presser after the team’s 39 point defeat against Geelong that "we're getting high quality entry, just poor execution" because Melbourne’s problems extend far beyond that after its 0 - 4 start to the 2025 football season. There are clearly problems with poor execution, some of which were evident well before the current season and were in play when the Demons met the Cats in early May last year and beat them in a near top-of-the-table clash that saw both sides sitting comfortably in the top four after round eight. Since that game, the Demons’ performances have been positively Third World with only five wins in 19 games with a no longer majestic midfield and a dysfunctional forward line that has become too easy for opposing coaches to counter. This is an area of their game that is currently being played out as if they were all completely panic-stricken.

      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • NON-MFC: Round 04

      Round 4 kicks off with a blockbuster on Thursday night as traditional rivals Collingwood and Carlton clash at the MCG, with the Magpies looking to assert themselves as early-season contenders and the Blues seeking their first win of the season. Saturday opens with Gold Coast hosting Adelaide, a key test for the Suns as they aim to back up their big win last week, while the Crows will be looking to keep their perfect record intact. Reigning wooden spooners Richmond have the daunting task of facing reigning premiers Brisbane at the ‘G and the Lions will be eager to reaffirm their premiership credentials after a patchy start. Saturday night sees North Melbourne take on Sydney at Marvel Stadium, with the Swans looking to build on their first win of the season last week against a rebuilding Roos outfit. Sunday’s action begins with GWS hosting West Coast at ENGIE Stadium, a game that could get ugly very early for the visitors. Port Adelaide vs St Kilda at Adelaide Oval looms as a interesting clash, with both clubs form being very hard to read. The round wraps up with Fremantle taking on the Western Bulldogs at Optus Stadium in what could be a fierce contest between two sides with top-eight ambitions. Who are you tipping this week and what are the best results for the Demons besides us winning?

      • 273 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland
    View All