Dees 2020: The Good, Bad & Ugly

[binman 42,544]

3 hours ago, deanox said:

 

If he plays the role I expect him to, those watching at the ground will think Goodwin's a genius and those watching on tv will have no idea why he is getting picked every week because he hardly gets near the ball, especially compared to the excitement Frost brought!

If he plays a different role than I expect (eg as a KPD), I think he'll struggle to add a whole lot of value. 

 

He is the anti frost.

[dworship 3,342]

Someone posted a really good analysis a while ago about how Tomilinson positions himself which prohibits teams from switching play or transitioning quickly from defense.

Agree, and in turn, teams against us become more predictable in their exits and present chances to overturn the possession. That hesitation is what gives defensive forwards opportunities.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,685]

14 hours ago, deanox said:

 

If he plays the role I expect him to, those watching at the ground will think Goodwin's a genius and those watching on tv will have no idea why he is getting picked every week because he hardly gets near the ball, especially compared to the excitement Frost brought!

If he plays a different role than I expect (eg as a KPD), I think he'll struggle to add a whole lot of value. 

 

An excellent example of why watching footy at the ground is a different expereince to watching it at home. Apart from the greater emotional involvement of being present, the ability to see the game as a whole, rather than the execution of play by individuals, is why I like attending games in person.

To go one step further, if anyone from the TV networks is reading this, please understand that close-ups of play while it is happening isn't particularly revealing. They are good for replays, but not live while the play is unfolding.

[Diamond_Jim 12,511]

5 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

To go one step further, if anyone from the TV networks is reading this, please understand that close-ups of play while it is happening isn't particularly revealing. They are good for replays, but not live while the play is unfolding

Time perhaps for the broadcasters to give multiple streams so you can follow how you like it.

Foxtel cricket gave you a choice between their sky camera and the traditional view. It didn't do much for me as cricket is a different game for viewing purposes but I think it would be useful for AFL.

Kayo being forced to take the channel 7 feed for many AFL games is a real downer for the product as well.

Edited January 30, 2020 by Diamond_Jim

[old dee 23,743]

8 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

An excellent example of why watching footy at the ground is a different expereince to watching it at home. Apart from the greater emotional involvement of being present, the ability to see the game as a whole, rather than the execution of play by individuals, is why I like attending games in person.

To go one step further, if anyone from the TV networks is reading this, please understand that close-ups of play while it is happening isn't particularly revealing. They are good for replays, but not live while the play is unfolding.

Perfectly put LDC, I too much prefer whatching the game at the ground.

But that is not always possible, for me watching on TV seriously lessens the experience.

PS. I often watch it on TV without sound.

Edited January 30, 2020 by old dee

[Demonstone 22,261]

17 minutes ago, old dee said:

PS. I often watch it on TV without sound.

Likewise old dee, except I always watch without the sound, often with music playing.   I do the same with the cricket.

Just like being at the ground, you don't need idiots telling you what you can see with your own eyes.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,685]

15 hours ago, demonstone said:

Likewise old dee, except I always watch without the sound, often with music playing.   I do the same with the cricket.

Just like being at the ground, you don't need idiots telling you what you can see with your own eyes.

I watch TV with the sound on because I believe it adds to the atmosphere. It would be too quiet at home watching on TV without it. However, I'm constantly surprised at how little is added to the experience by the so-called special comments contributors. They either repeat verbally what I've just seen or claim particular plays or actions had a purpose or motive that requires one to suspend belief.

Edit: Not all special comments people. Without starting a debate about who, as commentators are good, bad or ugly (consistent with the thread title), there are a couple whose contributions I quite enjoy. 

Edited January 30, 2020 by La Dee-vina Comedia

[deanox 9,896]

On 1/29/2020 at 10:04 PM, binman said:

He is the anti frost.

It's a pretty good description. He is dour, positional, and plays to team structure and rules. His main attribute is endurance running.  Frost was exciting, free form and creative. His main attribute was electric speed. 

Both have their place, but I think Tomlinson fits our needs and our game plan better. 

[Diamond_Jim 12,511]

On 1/31/2020 at 6:00 AM, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I watch TV with the sound on because I believe it adds to the atmosphere. It would be too quiet at home watching on TV without it. However, I'm constantly surprised at how little is added to the experience by the so-called special comments contributors. They either repeat verbally what I've just seen or claim particular plays or actions had a purpose or motive that requires one to suspend belief.

Edit: Not all special comments people. Without starting a debate about who, as commentators are good, bad or ugly (consistent with the thread title), there are a couple whose contributions I quite enjoy. 

we should be honest....

we all turn the sound up when we are 30plus points ahead in the last quarter.

Need I say more

Speeeeeeeeeciallllll   Cyril...................

[old dee 23,743]

8 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

we should be honest....

we all turn the sound up when we are 30plus points ahead in the last quarter.

Need I say more

Speeeeeeeeeciallllll   Cyril...................

Hmm so you don't have the sound up very often DJ?

Edited February 1, 2020 by old dee

[Demonstone 22,261]

If there was an option to just hear the crowd noise without the execrable commentators and ads, I'd love to listen to that.  Unfortunately, that's not possible, at least not on the FTA channel which is all I have available to me.

[Diamond_Jim 12,511]

in a perfect world you would have a choice between three sound tracks being full commentary, light commentary (soccer like...minimal words) and just crowd noise.

Hard to think of other sports where you get a radio style commentary while play is in progress

[Demonstone 22,261]

16 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Hard to think of other sports where you get a radio style commentary while play is in progress

Some of the cricket commentators (hello Shane Warne and Michael Slater) don't appreciate the value of silence and just don't know when to shut up and stop talking just for the sake of it. 

One of Richie Benaud's maxims was to never tell the viewers what they could see for themselves.  Less is more, in other words.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

18 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

in a perfect world you would have a choice between three sound tracks being full commentary, light commentary (soccer like...minimal words) and just crowd noise.

Hard to think of other sports where you get a radio style commentary while play is in progress

Ice hockey does it best DJ. Some of the top TV commentators make the game more exciting than it looks, that’s if you enjoy the sport. Radio commentary of the game goes to another level though. Such a fast sport and the detail is immaculate. I guess they don’t have time to talk gibberish.

[Diamond_Jim 12,511]

Once went to an ice hockey game. It was the first of a play off series between the Washington Capitals and the Penguins. Very strange rules. Had no idea what was going on most of the time with seemingly more players in the sin bin than on the ice. Must be similar for a first time viewer of AFL. From my American friends test cricket is their hardest to appreciate. I tell them it's much the same for us and baseball.

Many people with team colours but 95% with one player on their jacket.... Ovechkin... felt sorry for the other members of the team

Edited February 2, 2020 by Diamond_Jim

[Kent 2,905]

On 1/29/2020 at 12:23 PM, old dee said:

Unlike some Ernest I actually think we are a good chance in game 1.

Hope you are right Ernest

Would be a better way of making a relevant statement  to the supporters than all the talk and fluff so far form the players.

 

[old dee 23,743]

20 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Once went to an ice hockey game. It was the first of a play off series between the Washington Capitals and the Penguins. Very strange rules. Had no idea what was going on most of the time with seemingly more players in the sin bin than on the ice. Must be similar for a first time viewer of AFL. From my American friends test cricket is their hardest to appreciate. I tell them it's much the same for us and baseball.

Many people with team colours but 95% with one player on their jacket.... Ovechkin... felt sorry for the other members of the team

Have only ever watched it on tv and it is just too fast for me add all the constant player changes and I am left totally confused.

By comparison baseball is easy.

Edited February 2, 2020 by old dee

[old dee 23,743]

1 hour ago, Kent said:

Hope you are right Ernest

Would be a better way of making a relevant statement  to the supporters than all the talk and fluff so far form the players.

 

It is the time of the football year when clubs/players feel obliged to increase the hope of supporters.

Talk is the only thing they can do at this time.

I don't mind it, saying that probably means I need a little encouragement as well.

 

[Pates 9,655]

On 2/1/2020 at 10:53 AM, deanox said:

It's a pretty good description. He is dour, positional, and plays to team structure and rules. His main attribute is endurance running.  Frost was exciting, free form and creative. His main attribute was electric speed. 

Both have their place, but I think Tomlinson fits our needs and our game plan better. 

I liked Frost, but my personal description of his would be fast, unpredictable, and (with the ball) unreliable. In a contest he was good but he got caught out of position several times due to his "Frost Ball" style.

I'll say this though, it was a damn sight better to watch than others in the team seemingly going through the motions.

[deanox 9,896]

21 hours ago, Pates said:

I liked Frost, but my personal description of his would be fast, unpredictable, and (with the ball) unreliable. In a contest he was good but he got caught out of position several times due to his "Frost Ball" style.

I'll say this though, it was a damn sight better to watch than others in the team seemingly going through the motions.

I would personally agree with that assessment, but I'm also aware that those who are pro Frost would read that as a loaded/bias assessment, so instead chose adjectives that describe him at his best to illustrate the two styles as contrasting, rather than good/bad.

I wish he was able to rein in the so his flair could be emphasized, but he never got there at Melbourne.  His ability to close on a lead was second to none however he next mistake was always too costly in the style of defense we are trying to play. 

[PaulRB 6,331]

On Frost, and “Frost Ball”, it was fun to watch, when it worked, and a sign of our desperate lack of depth when it didn’t. 
Prefer Harmes or Smith or even Tomlinson playing the role Frosty played. 
I will miss yelling “FROOOSTY!!!” Excitedly as he charges chaotically forward...

[Deemania since 56 6,605]

On 1/29/2020 at 5:39 PM, Webber said:

deanox made the excellent analysis, and it was fascinating, particularly as Tomlinson’s abilities in this way will perfectly suit our needs. 

A hazy recollection, at best, but I think I can remember this summation on Tomlinson coming from The Kid/Dermie Brereton. 

Edited February 6, 2020 by Deemania since 56