TRAINING: Wednesday 11th December 2019

[monoccular 17,345]

May I add my thanks to all who take the time and effort to post these regular reports.  Very much appreciated. 
 

However there is one recurring question for which I can’t remember seeing the answer:  what is holding KK back?   Should we hold out any hope at all or is just anything a bonus from here on in?

[Vagg 2,437]

57 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Nice place to park a scooter

Did they slap you with a Parking Fine, Saty?

[Satyriconhome 10,394]

40 minutes ago, monoccular said:

May I add my thanks to all who take the time and effort to post these regular reports.  Very much appreciated. 
 

However there is one recurring question for which I can’t remember seeing the answer:  what is holding KK back?   Should we hold out any hope at all or is just anything a bonus from here on in?

Without being funny, think any news on KK should  come from the club

He has been out running last couple of sessions 

[Demons1858 1,725]

With KK he appears to be fulfilling his contractual obligations until extra medical reports come through and / or mfc and perhaps even afl insurance sort out a payout where club and player probably manually agree that its unsafe for him to continue. mfc also probably looking to get an extra player on the list if it happens. As l said its a hunch but seems to be following a familiar path.

[Demons1858 1,725]

5 hours ago, Nasher said:

Just another voice of thanks for the great training reports. As an interstater I obviously can’t go watch training but even if I did I doubt I’d pick up on the detail you guys do. Awesome stuff.

I’ve seen a few calls for balance in the reports - personally at this time I’m looking for all the reasons we’re going to be awesome. Reality may or may not kick in later, and that’s fine, but it’s not what I’m interested in in the off season.

 For me, a yes to any training update which has the natural bias of the reporters whether respectfully positive or negative. Can we afford to be picky? No to misleading reports. Remembering that this time last year we were being told the mfc were going to make the top 4 when no one was on the park training

Edited December 12, 2019 by Demons1858

[Satyriconhome 10,394]

36 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

 For me, a yes to any training update which has the natural bias of the reporters whether respectfully positive or negative. Can we afford to be picky? No to misleading reports. Remembering that this time last year we were being told the mfc were going to make the top 4 when no one was on the park training

Everybody was on the park training last year, to varying levels, a lot of the ops were upper body, so did not preclude them from running

Every team looks a million dollars in pre season, that never changes 'training the house down'

The fact players miss kicks in hot and windy weather is neither here nor there, as long as the poor kicks can be eradicated on match day

But then show me a team that is clanger free

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,389]

Thanks for the reports!

Any word on when the final training session for the year will be..?

(fingers crossed they could put it on a Saturday)

 

[Demons1858 1,725]

22 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Everybody was on the park training last year, to varying levels, a lot of the ops were upper body, so did not preclude them from running

Every team looks a million dollars in pre season, that never changes 'training the house down'

The fact players miss kicks in hot and windy weather is neither here nor there, as long as the poor kicks can be eradicated on match day

But then show me a team that is clanger 

There is no way in the world we looked a million bucks last year in training with the reserve team basically doing the vast proportion of the 'football' type training drills early and many senior players stuck in rehab / walking / bikes or resting. Was obvious very early on that 2019 was going to be difficult and we wouldn't be able to match the performances of the year prior, unfortunately it was worse than even l thought at the time

Edited December 12, 2019 by Demons1858

[Demonland 70,466]

11 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Thanks for the reports!
Any word on when the final training session for the year will be..?

(fingers crossed they could put it on a Saturday)

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/teams/training-times

So far the announced times only go up til Monday.

Upcoming AFL training sessions

Date: Friday 13 December
Start time: 9.45am
Location: Gosch's Paddock

Date: Monday 16 December
Start time: 9.45am
Location: Gosch's Paddock

Based on last year the last session will be on Friday 20 December but please refer to the link above for official confirmation.

[Nasher 33,607]

1 hour ago, Demons1858 said:

 For me, a yes to any training update which has the natural bias of the reporters whether respectfully positive or negative. Can we afford to be picky? No to misleading reports. Remembering that this time last year we were being told the mfc were going to make the top 4 when no one was on the park training

I think it goes without saying that I’d like to be told the truth - if half the side is injured then that’s an issue I’d like to know about. All I’m saying is I don’t need the reports to be “tempered”. 

[binman 42,116]

7 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Looks a natural footballer, to join Oliver, Dunkley and Fritsch

 

And Jackson 

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

5 hours ago, Demons1858 said:

With KK he appears to be fulfilling his contractual obligations until extra medical reports come through and / or mfc and perhaps even afl insurance sort out a payout where club and player probably manually agree that its unsafe for him to continue. mfc also probably looking to get an extra player on the list if it happens. As l said its a hunch but seems to be following a familiar path.

Call me an old romantic but I would like to see KK get fit, get picked (on merit) and play a couple of games, then -- if he's not up to it -- retire. Like with Trengove. Retire with no question marks, and dignity.

(Having said that, if Trengove hadn't been forced to play with a busted foot .......................................................)

[Ethan Tremblay 30,393]

1 hour ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Call me an old romantic but I would like to see KK get fit, get picked (on merit) and play a couple of games, then -- if he's not up to it -- retire. Like with Trengove. Retire with no question marks, and dignity.

(Having said that, if Trengove hadn't been forced to play with a busted foot .......................................................)

Trengove nominated for the draft this year. 

[BAMF 4,172]

I hope KK just retires. There is more to life than this. Much more.

I assuming he has and that he is just seeing out his contract.

[Skuit 10,002]

16 hours ago, Demons1858 said:

With KK he appears to be fulfilling his contractual obligations until extra medical reports come through and / or mfc and perhaps even afl insurance sort out a payout where club and player probably manually agree that its unsafe for him to continue. mfc also probably looking to get an extra player on the list if it happens. As l said its a hunch but seems to be following a familiar path.

Why would anyone bother with this (bolded) if your scenario is in fact the case? 

And what was so apparent that gave rise to this rather detailed speculation? 

And what's this familiar path you speak of? Lumumba? Or another instance?

Also, what's a manual agreement? Sounds like a (censored) in the parking lot.  

[drysdale demon 4,737]

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

Why would anyone bother with this (bolded) if your scenario is in fact the case? 

And what was so apparent that gave rise to this rather detailed speculation? 

And what's this familiar path you speak of? Lumumba? Or another instance?

Also, what's a manual agreement? Sounds like a (censored) in the parking lot.  

It is just Demons 1858 way of saying " I don't know what is wrong with KK but I wish I did so I will just take a stab in the dark and presume I'm right"

[Demons1858 1,725]

4 hours ago, Skuit said:

Why would anyone bother with this (bolded) if your scenario is in fact the case? 

And what was so apparent that gave rise to this rather detailed speculation? 

And what's this familiar path you speak of? Lumumba? Or another instance?

Also, what's a manual agreement? Sounds like a (censored) in the parking lot.  

firstly, a hunch is based on intuition and less about facts so you can take it or leave it! in any case, players with no obvious injuries that do long stints of light duties is a sign of something is not quite right. keeping in mind he has had all preseason to get his head and body right. if he still has concussion issues or has been told another concussion may have major consequences then the player and club (if in agreement) will naturally negotiate terms for the remainder of the contract.  until then keep turning up to training so your contract isn't broken in case something falls through but play it safe on light duties. 

Edited December 12, 2019 by Demons1858

[Demons1858 1,725]

3 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

It is just Demons 1858 way of saying " I don't know what is wrong with KK but I wish I did so I will just take a stab in the dark and presume I'm right"

a hunch is based on intuition, you can take it or leave it like most of the opinions in this forum! time will tell but the silence from the club if deafening. 

Edited December 12, 2019 by Demons1858