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TRAINING: Wednesday 4th December 2019

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43 minutes ago, Skuit said:

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This is a bit disheartening. We need May focused  this year if we're any chance of success. 

Agreed. I’m still angry from that time Garland smiled at training.

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    15 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    Can't tell if you're pleased or disgusted.

    These are meant to be the elite players of the sport, to use a coaching aid that is designed to teach kids is a bit worrying.  To get to this level you should be able to execute the basics of the game at a very high level, to me this says we need to re-teach a number of players to kick.

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    6 minutes ago, drdrake said:

    These are meant to be the elite players of the sport, to use a coaching aid that is designed to teach kids is a bit worrying.  To get to this level you should be able to execute the basics of the game at a very high level, to me this says we need to re-teach a number of players to kick.

    Blind Freddy could tell you this was a problem last season. Would you prefer that this wasn't addressed this season?

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    9 hours ago, Skuit said:

    I'm not sure that Luke will gain much from having Kozzie as a leap-frog partner

    Impressed by Jackson's decision-making; smart footballer!

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    Thanks for all the reports,  too much sugar and you get over hyped and the detox is terrible, much better to have a bit of home truths about bad kicking and how fit someone is or isn't.    See the negative  and enjoy the positive.

     

    I think the changes off field and the new recruits  are bold,  good to see some results from the [censored] of 2019.  July 2019 would have been better to change something (like the results of games). not sure how though.

    I like 2020 much better as a number    and a year   and we are not there yet.    Might even buy my membership again but not until late Jan.

     

    Go Dees !!

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    9 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

    IF it works I'm all for it. 

    Out of curiosity is this the coach or the guy who played for Hawthorn?  If the latter, he was a bloody good kick, so there could well be something in it.   

    The coach, he designed the ball to help with ball drop.  To change players at this age ball drop and action is extremely difficult and really shouldn't be something an AFL club should need to do

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    6 minutes ago, Deeminion said:

    Blind Freddy could tell you this was a problem last season. Would you prefer that this wasn't addressed this season?

    Not saying it wasn't a problem, it is a massive problem, just goes to show we drafted players that could win the football the disposal side was secondary, my point is players at this level shouldn't need a teaching aid like this.

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    15 minutes ago, drdrake said:

    Not saying it wasn't a problem, it is a massive problem, just goes to show we drafted players that could win the football the disposal side was secondary, my point is players at this level shouldn't need a teaching aid like this.

    I think it was clear that was what you meant. But it is also clear that if we did nothing to address the issue, you (and the rest of us) would be asking why.  So if it takes a yellow line and a box of smarties as rewards for good kicks, I'm all for it.

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    20 minutes ago, drdrake said:

    Not saying it wasn't a problem, it is a massive problem, just goes to show we drafted players that could win the football the disposal side was secondary, my point is players at this level shouldn't need a teaching aid like this.

    I agree but here we are. We can't turn over the whole list at once so we need to address the problem. As @sue mentioned if it takes some baby balls to correct then baby balls it is.

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    8 hours ago, Soprano661 said:

    Turns 30 in a month

    Oh, to be 30 again...!!  (Sadly, a VERY distant memory!!)

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    16 hours ago, drdrake said:

    Can't believe an AFL club is using the Mark Williams Ball, this is the one with the yellow line up the middle to teach kids how to drop the ball correctly

    Pretty sure its so you can tell how the ball spins in the air....

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    12 hours ago, faultydet said:

    Wouldn't be a training thread without saty whining about negativity.

     

    I appreciate the news from every other track watcher. It's always better to hear about the good and the bad. Keeps expectations real.

    Because we're so good at doing that :blink:

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    Mark Williams Precision Balls

    https://www.sherrin.com.au/training/skill/precision.html

    Recognising that kicking in AFL is one of the most challenging skills to learn, Sherrin has partnered exclusively with AFL Premiership Coach and PE Teacher Mark Williams, to launch Sherrin Precision. The brainchild of Mark Williams, the Precision concept features a larger sweet spot on each end of the Sherrin (red dots) which provides a greater area for the foot to connect with and a visual aid for the player to understand the ideal impact zone on their foot.The product also features a yellow spin line designed to provide immediate feedback to the player. When a player connects successfully with these sweet spots, the Sherrin will continue in the designated flight path and spinning pattern to hit the desired target.

    Get exclusive access of a unique online training module that features skills content, videos and tips to improve AFL kicking here. This exclusive content has been produced to assist coaches, parents and teachers to become more comfortable and confident with their instruction and feedback, which in turn improves their players' kicking efficiency. These insights will help you notice common kicking faults and provide suggestions on how to correct them.

    Sherrin Precision is designed for players and coaches at all levels, as well as teachers and parents that are instructing the game.

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    What the hell if the footy’s got a line down the middle. Does it matter ? If it helps with ball drop then so be it. We often hear the cry that players and coach need to get back to the basics, well it looks like that is the case here. Are other clubs using the ball? Probably. It’s a bit like telling an Olympic sprinter not to practice his starts out of the blocks because it should be second nature. 

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    It might just be the photo's but Gus seems to have put on some significant bulk in the upper body. Shoulders arms and chest looking strong for those midfield battles.

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    21 minutes ago, Demonland said:

     

    Sherrin Precision is designed for players and coaches at all levels, as well as teachers and parents that are instructing the game.

     

    It shouldn't be needed to be used at players at the elite level, it is the basis of the game.  I remember a few years ago Paul Roos came out and said that AFL clubs shouldn't be teaching players how to execute the basic skills.   You won't be able to improve players at this age, the motor skill is already developed as soon as the pressure comes on you will revert back to the way you have been kicking the ball for the past 10 odd years.

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    4 minutes ago, drdrake said:

    It shouldn't be needed to be used at players at the elite level, it is the basis of the game.  I remember a few years ago Paul Roos came out and said that AFL clubs shouldn't be teaching players how to execute the basic skills.   You won't be able to improve players at this age, the motor skill is already developed as soon as the pressure comes on you will revert back to the way you have been kicking the ball for the past 10 odd years.

    Exactly what do they stand to lose by using this ball? If the answer is, NOTHING, then you are getting worked up over, NOTHING.

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    3 minutes ago, drdrake said:

      You won't be able to improve players at this age, the motor skill is already developed as soon as the pressure comes on you will revert back to the way you have been kicking the ball for the past 10 odd years.

    I understand where you are coming from, Dr D.  What has been ingrained into the subconcious mind from an early age is VERY hard to change.  BUT, think it's been shown that, if you practice the correct techniques long and hard enough, eventually those correct techniques will start to overwrite the incorrect techniques that have been etched into the subconcious brain.  It's not easy (always better to learn the correct techniques in the first place), but I think it IS possible to teach an old dog new tricks, so to speak.

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    7 minutes ago, hardtack said:

    Exactly what do they stand to lose by using this ball? If the answer is, NOTHING, then you are getting worked up over, NOTHING.

    I'm not getting worked up about it, more highlighting that the club need to revert to an U9/10 training tool due to the fact the players we have drafted don't have the ability to execute the most important skill in todays game.  So it isn't nothing, it is concerning we have to revert to this tool 

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    1 hour ago, drdrake said:

    Not saying it wasn't a problem, it is a massive problem, just goes to show we drafted players that could win the football the disposal side was secondary, my point is players at this level shouldn't need a teaching aid like this.

    Naive mate. Have a look right across the league. Our blokes are far from the only ball butchers going round. Then have a look at the U18 champs. Making the draft pool doesn't equate to having elite skills. Anything the club can do to improve, even 1%, should be considered a positive rather than derided

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    20 minutes ago, Go the Biff said:

    Naive mate. Have a look right across the league. Our blokes are far from the only ball butchers going round. Then have a look at the U18 champs. Making the draft pool doesn't equate to having elite skills. Anything the club can do to improve, even 1%, should be considered a positive rather than derided

    We are the worst kicking side in the AFL, great on the club for using a junior training tool but my point is they shouldn't need to, the fact they are in concerning

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    43 minutes ago, Vagg said:

    It's not easy (always better to learn the correct techniques in the first place), but I think it IS possible to teach an old dog new tricks, so to speak.

    Too true,   I can do the dishes properly now,   3 times out of 5

    and my vacumings not bad either   !!

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    47 minutes ago, hardtack said:

    NOTHING, then you are getting worked up over, NOTHING.

    It seems to be par for the course on this site quite often hardtack

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    34 minutes ago, drdrake said:

    I'm not getting worked up about it, more highlighting that the club need to revert to an U9/10 training tool due to the fact the players we have drafted don't have the ability to execute the most important skill in todays game.  So it isn't nothing, it is concerning we have to revert to this tool 

    To quote from the marketing article posted above: “Sherrin Precision is designed for players and coaches at all levels, as well as teachers and parents that are instructing the game.”

    ALL levels... and despite what you said above, there’s no reason that shouldn’t include elite players, as some players have certain skills that could be considered elite and others that could be improved. Players that are elite in all facets of the game are few and far between.

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    3 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

    It seems to be par for the course on this site quite often hardtack

    Indeed... almost Seinfeldian.

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