TRAINING: Friday 22nd November 2019

[Satyriconhome 9,993]

Great report @Duke

Don't worry about Brayshaw, always looks like he is about to die at training, but does everything.  Only time you see him smile is on walk back to AAMI

[dazzledavey36 49,164]

Jesus the combination of the @Duke and @kev martin of training reports are quite a lethal combo.

Some of your best work you two.

[Earl Hood 5,807]

Great to read that we are working seriously on our set shot goal kicking routines. Just 6 to 8 months too late though. 

[Stretch Johnson 2,586]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Go hard or Go home

Training with Cotton Wool achieves nothing

Train with the 2018 Prelim result in the back of your mind...

It's November, there is a solid case for not training at all

[Deeman 1,403]

6 hours ago, Demonland said:

Sarcasm aside I would assume the red hat is reserved for players as a precautionary measure. If the "injury" was more serious then he (clarry) would not be training. Hammy soreness would obviously not require a hat. If May was seriously hamstrung he also wouldn't be training.

Anyone have a close look at those red hats?

Is it possible they have the words “Make America Great Again” on them?

[Ugottobekidding 915]

Imagine if Trump was coach, he'd build a wall at half back.

[Demonland 66,214]

Great report @Duke

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,636]

Is Jack Viney and TMac training in football boots or sneakers?

[JakovichScissorKick 771]

Praying we have a gameplan in 2020.    The players can be as fit as the have have ever been,   but without a legitimate gameplan we are dead in the water before a ball has been bounced

Thats my biggest concern.  The coaches need to lift.

[DeeSpencer 23,378]

2 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

I don't really see how you are practising this properly without having contact, sure your kick or handball might make the target in training with token pressure but it's probably going to be shut down in a game.

Can have all the pressure without the contract. Pressure these days is as much about corralling as tackling anyway. Then if a defender gets an intercept you call it an intercept, you don't have the forward fight for it. If the forward is going to get spoiled then the defender can just mimic the spoil and the coach can call it a turnover.  

I think we've got too many guys like Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Harmes who can clean up messy skills even with heavy contact by winning contests that we don't train precision skills and decisions enough. If you're a messy young player just handball it somewhere near Petracca and let him beat his man, you'll look great. 

Otherwise, slowly ramp the amount of allowed contact up and be cautious with guys who aren't 100%. Oliver and KK both clearly not 100%, don't allow them near a drill that has the potential for a reasonable amount of contact.

Last week Kyle Chandler was training with a knee taped up. This week he's in rehab. I'd have a no full training with anything taped rule.

Richmond last year - no tape in the grand final, win it by plenty. GWS - all sorts of players taped up!

[Redleg 37,930]

16 minutes ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

Praying we have a gameplan in 2020.    The players can be as fit as the have have ever been,   but without a legitimate gameplan we are dead in the water before a ball has been bounced

Thats my biggest concern.  The coaches need to lift.

I think you are now leading the most pessimistic poster on DL award. Have not seen one positive optimistic post yet.

[kev martin 9,323]

20 minutes ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

Is Jack Viney and TMac training in football boots or sneakers?

Both are into full training. They are looking unhampered. Tom is looking a bt fitter than Jack. Great to see them going hard.

Most of the time in boots.

The running programs sometimes require sneakers.

 

[Domgus Petrogan 146]

2 hours ago, Duke said:

This is a first time post.  I visited from Adelaide today.  I don’t read demonland a lot other than this time of the season, and really appreciate those who do training reports. But knowing people involved in the club, this is not the place to spend too much time in season! I thought I would add my bit to preseason, although it’s 3 hours later so I have probably already forgotten half of it and Kev above covered some of it.

I arrived at 9.15 and the players were already warming up.  I stayed till the very end, which was just after 1pm with the last 3 off the track being Steven May, Jack Viney, and Marty Hore. They finished with goal to goal repeat sprints, which at the end of a 4 hour session was impressive. Even more impressive is May was side by side with Viney doing 22-25 second 170m sprints after 4 hours of training.

It was about 80% ball work and 20% running at training. They started in 2 groups at each end doing non contact match sim inside the 50 arcs.  The emphasis was on kicking skills.  Every turnover was called out loud and clear by the coaching staff, even if was a poor that bounced.  While this was going on AVB, Petty, and Bradke were doing repeat 200-300m sprints around the outside.  AVB was setting the pace and looked in great nick.  When he was leaving training he was saying that if 2019 was different he would have played in the back half of the year like 2018, and he feels he is 100%. From what I can tell he is doing lots of running but perhaps they don’t want to risk a Spargo like step on foot incident yet.

After the skills match sim it changed to full oval match sim with the non contact players standing out.  Lever, Weideman, Jetta etc we’re not standing around, but doing a lot of explosive agility type work in the unused forward pocket.  The match sim was interesting.  It would start with a congested activity somewhere upfield with an emphasis on ground balls.  The players would repeatable roll the ball into a scrimmage, and then try and pick up and get a clearance and when they did just roll the ball back in. It kept going until the coaches blew a whistle which signalled it was real, and from a clearance they’d try and get it inside 50 to a lead.  It was pretty willing, evidenced by Tmac (I think) leading out at full tilt with Hore drifting back and KK trying to spoil.  Hore and KK were both flattened. Luckily no major harm although KK left training to get his elbow seen to.

After the full oval match sim they broke up into various groups doing different activities.  Mainly seemed to focus on skills, although some players would be cycled through activities that looked a bit like trying to work on explosiveness.  For example, 3 players would be on their stomachs, and the coach would roll a ball near 1 and call out.  2 would jump up, the closest to get the ground ball and the second to tackle.  Seemed to be working on recovery, getting to feet, evading or tackling etc.

Another group were totally focussed on kicking to the wing.  Others were doing 150m sprints, and other doing stoppages again with ground balls.  For the ground ball stoppages, the coaches were continuously calling out for longer handballs to the outside.

At one stage, Stafford was working on goal kicking.  Hunt and Weideman did a lot of work.  Then they setup a spot 40m out and had a camera directly in front and one to the side. Stafford was managing, and had Petracca, ANB, Oliver, Melksham, and Fritsch filmed for about 10 kicks each.  No one else. Petracca still has a lot of work to do and I’m sure his routine will be sorted.  Was still walking up to kick.  The rest looked pretty good, but all seemed to be told to get some forward momentum, or at least compared to Petracca seemed to be accelerating in to kick with pretty good results.  Especially Melksham who didn’t seem to miss.

Some of the highlights for me overall were Petracca.  He is in ripping nick, and ran in a group with Brayshaw and a few others in the repeat sprints.  He is in better running nick than ever, was right up the front, and looked to handle it better than Brayshaw. 

Another highlight was May.  It looked like he had to do extra’s, and he did not lag behind in any of the sprints.  His group included Max and he was side by side with him the entire way.  He also looks in great nick.  In one drill, there was a handball chain that ended with a player at 40m running toward goal.  May drilled everything.

The other was TMac.  He has his running legs, and was continuously getting in good positions and marking in the full oval match sim. 

Viney is doing all the running and more.  His foot is not a problem touch wood, and he is loving the program Burgess has given him.  Already he feels fitter than ever, and he did the extras. 

Oscar Mac looks in great nick and to have bulked up a lot.  In the inside 50 skills match sim his kicking is really good.  I didn’t see him miss a kick, which I probably couldn’t say about most of the squad. 

Overall, and I don’t have much to compare against as I didn’t see training last year, the squad looks in excellent nick.  I did talk to a few of the veteran supporters to ask how it compares to prior years.  They all seemed to think it’s the fittest they have seen them.

Thanks Duke, great reporting mate!
 

[dieter 3,325]

1 hour ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Imagine if Trump was coach, he'd build a wall at half back.

Even better, he'd make Mexico pay for it. Swell operator, the Pres of the USA...

[drysdale demon 4,193]

52 minutes ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

Praying we have a gameplan in 2020.    The players can be as fit as the have have ever been,   but without a legitimate gameplan we are dead in the water before a ball has been bounced

Thats my biggest concern.  The coaches need to lift.

 

36 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I think you are now leading the most pessimistic poster on DL award. Have not seen one positive optimistic post yet.

I think you are spot on there Redleg.

[dazzledavey36 49,164]

48 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I think you are now leading the most pessimistic poster on DL award. Have not seen one positive optimistic post yet.

You get the few blow ins that come in and try and stomp their feet here and there.

After a while Mods will pick up up on it and send them away to the dung hole for a significant period.

[kev martin 9,323]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Can have all the pressure without the contract. Pressure these days is as much about corralling as tackling anyway. Then if a defender gets an intercept you call it an intercept, you don't have the forward fight for it. If the forward is going to get spoiled then the defender can just mimic the spoil and the coach can call it a turnover.  

I think we've got too many guys like Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Harmes who can clean up messy skills even with heavy contact by winning contests that we don't train precision skills and decisions enough. If you're a messy young player just handball it somewhere near Petracca and let him beat his man, you'll look great. 

Otherwise, slowly ramp the amount of allowed contact up and be cautious with guys who aren't 100%. Oliver and KK both clearly not 100%, don't allow them near a drill that has the potential for a reasonable amount of contact.

Last week Kyle Chandler was training with a knee taped up. This week he's in rehab. I'd have a no full training with anything taped rule.

Richmond last year - no tape in the grand final, win it by plenty. GWS - all sorts of players taped up!

Do you think Richmond had a no tackling program.

They won't do the back off thing easily, sometimes players are coming in in numbers and they are competitive beast. Win at all cost and all believe they will win the ball.

Contact can be done in a safe way I think. That is bracing for it and taking the hit. Halfway and you will be hurt.

We also want a players to get front and center balls from the pack, if the defender pulls out, then how do they develop that part which is very instinctual and one of the higher skill sets. 

It is a tough game and durability is one of the criteria that sorts the good players from the others.

What would they do if they couldn't practice getting tackled. Pettraca standing up in them, Viney getting taken out but always able to get his arm free, Harmes fending off, (did a beauty today), Oliver with the ball gone before they get him. 

The concussion stuff should be a duty of care across all contact codes. In a perfect world they shouldn't hurt the brain.Tackling and getting tackled with correct technique should reduce harm. I have seen many concussion from poor technique. Tackling needs to be practice in a game senario.

With full tackling the ball can come free and this unpredictable ball movement needs to be practiced with. Loose ball gets are an asset and often instinctual.

Oliver slightly rehurt his shoulder in a drill.

Kade Kolodjasni collision today was in the body.

Kade Chandler tweaked his knee innocously. 

They have to tackle to reduce the harm from it.

I understand where you are coming from, reducing injuries and protecting those with niggles. 

They play AFL a very hard game.

Technical development then repetitions in real situations. 

 

Edited November 22, 2019 by kev martin

[John Demonic 4,867]

2 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Imagine if Trump was coach, he'd build a wall at half back.

HB: Preuss, Gawn, Jackson

[John Demonic 4,867]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

I think you are now leading the most pessimistic poster on DL award. Have not seen one positive optimistic post yet.

Maybe should change username to JakovichBackInjury

[JakovichScissorKick 771]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

I think you are now leading the most pessimistic poster on DL award. Have not seen one positive optimistic post yet.

I am optimistic for 2020 if the coaches implement a working gameplan.

 

[drysdale demon 4,193]

8 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Maybe should change username to JakovichBackInjury

Kickinthenuts might be more appropriate.

[DeeSpencer 23,378]

18 minutes ago, kev martin said:

Do you think Richmond had a no tackling program.

They won't do the back off thing easily, sometimes players are coming in in numbers and they are competitive beast. Win at all cost and all believe they will win the ball.

Contact can be done in a safe way I think. That is bracing for it and taking the hit. Halfway and you will be hurt.

We also want a players to get front and center balls from the pack, if the defender pulls out, then how do they develop that part which is very instinctual and one of the higher skill sets. 

It is a tough game and durability is one of the criteria that sorts the good players from the others.

What would they do if they couldn't practice getting tackled. Pettraca standing up in them, Viney getting taken out but always able to get his arm free, Harmes fending off, (did a beauty today), Oliver with the ball gone before they get him. 

The concussion stuff should be a duty of care across all contact codes. In a perfect world they shouldn't hurt the brain.Tackling and getting tackled with correct technique should reduce harm. I have seen many concussion from poor technique. Tackling needs to be practice in a game senario.

With full tackling the ball can come free and this unpredictable ball movement needs to be practiced with. Loose ball gets are an asset and often instinctual.

Oliver slightly rehurt his shoulder in a drill.

Kade Kolodjasni collision today was in the body.

Kade Chandler tweaked his knee innocously. 

They have to tackle to reduce the harm from it.

I understand where you are coming from, reducing injuries and protecting those with niggles. 

They play AFL a very hard game.

Technical development then repetitions in real situations. 

 

Are Richmond even back training yet? 

Im not saying you don’t get in to full scale training, I just don’t see the point of it in November.

I think an under reported aspect of our injury crisis last year was our poor skills and decision making led to injuries. Hore and Viney are 2 that had no need to get injuries and probably plenty more.

Richmond’s ball movement, like Hawthorn in their best years is so quick and uncontested. Run, share, link etc. Clearly they are very strong in the contest especially defensively but we’ve got a heap of skill stuff we can do in November. Do that before the finals teams get in full training and we’ll have made ground on skills and fitness and not lost ground in injuries. 

[Earl Hood 5,807]

17 minutes ago, kev martin said:

Do you think Richmond had a no tackling program.

They won't do the back off thing easily, sometimes players are coming in in numbers and they are competitive beast. Win at all cost and all believe they will win the ball.

Contact can be done in a safe way I think. That is bracing for it and taking the hit. Halfway and you will be hurt.

We also want a players to get front and center balls from the pack, if the defender pulls out, then how do they develop that part which is very instinctual and one of the higher skill sets. 

It is a tough game and durability is one of the criteria that sorts the good players from the others.

What would they do if they couldn't practice getting tackled. Pettraca standing up in them, Viney getting taken out but always able to get his arm free, Harmes fending off, (did a beauty today), Oliver with the ball gone before they get him. 

The concussion stuff should be a duty of care across all contact codes. In a perfect world they shouldn't hurt the brain.Tackling and getting tackled with correct technique should reduce harm. I have seen many concussion from poor technique. Tackling needs to be practice in a game senario.

With full tackling the ball can come free and this unpredictable ball movement needs to be practiced with. Loose ball gets are an asset and often instinctual.

Oliver slightly rehurt his shoulder in a drill.

Kade Kolodjasni collision today was in the body.

Kade Chandler tweaked his knee innocously. 

They have to tackle to reduce the harm from it.

I understand where you are coming from, reducing injuries and protecting those with niggles. 

They play AFL a very hard game.

Technical development then repetitions in real situations. 

 

Regarding old school thinking on training, I played 200 plus mediocre games of suburban footy in the 70’s and 80’s but I don’t remember much physical contact at training. We ran laps, Indian file stuff, interval sprints, circle work one way, then reverse on your left side. We did a bit of one on one stuff competing for a ball, some evasive drills where you were first to the ball with  2 people chasing behind and tackling but no real intimidating  physical stuff, that happened on game day, so not sure where the old school is coming from? So not sure of this train soft, play soft stuff, as we managed to win 3 flags in 10 years in our own small footy world. 

[kev martin 9,323]

4 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Are Richmond even back training yet? 

Im not saying you don’t get in to full scale training, I just don’t see the point of it in November.

I think an under reported aspect of our injury crisis last year was our poor skills and decision making led to injuries. Hore and Viney are 2 that had no need to get injuries and probably plenty more.

Richmond’s ball movement, like Hawthorn in their best years is so quick and uncontested. Run, share, link etc. Clearly they are very strong in the contest especially defensively but we’ve got a heap of skill stuff we can do in November. Do that before the finals teams get in full training and we’ll have made ground on skills and fitness and not lost ground in injuries. 

I assume Richmond are not back yet.

I see your point, better skills and game plans then we become untouchable. 

Precision, trust and connection.

[kev martin 9,323]

5 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Regarding old school thinking on training, I played 200 plus mediocre games of suburban footy in the 70’s and 80’s but I don’t remember much physical contact at training. We ran laps, Indian file stuff, interval sprints, circle work one way, then reverse on your left side. We did a bit of one on one stuff competing for a ball, some evasive drills where you were first to the ball with  2 people chasing behind and tackling but no real intimidating  physical stuff, that happened on game day, so not sure where the old school is coming from? So not sure of this train soft, play soft stuff, as we managed to win 3 flags in 10 years in our own small footy world. 

He said he was older than 70 years. I assumed that made his point old school. Also the way of his hardness. Had one of those home reset broken noses. Probably his attitude alone and 15 years in the game.

I'm the same when thinking back. Junior training was much the same as you described.

Congratulations on the memories of 3 flags.

Got one flag myself 1974 (U17's) and a best and fairest to go with it.