VIney  three years ago oooozed passion for the club and tried his guts out. Second efforts, tackling, etc. tonight he was deplorable. I don’t think he is respected by teammate And I am led to believe it’s because many players see him as being protected and promoted due to family connections. He needs to relinquish captaincy immediately. His heart isn’t in it. Gawn must Captain the side in 2020

4 hours ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

If we’re hanging our club’s future on an 18 year old kid saving our midfield structure we may as well go back to the days of Dean Bailey throwing Jack Watts under an enormous bus

But we won’t as there’s another 4 that we’ve seen when firing can more than handle the load themselves. Anderson up forward can be his release. Either way I don’t see us getting him as GC are more than likely to get gifted one of the best 1-2 combo this draft

6 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

VIney  three years ago oooozed passion for the club and tried his guts out. Second efforts, tackling, etc. tonight he was deplorable. I don’t think he is respected by teammate And I am led to believe it’s because many players see him as being protected and promoted due to family connections. He needs to relinquish captaincy immediately. His heart isn’t in it. Gawn must Captain the side in 2020

Is 'led to believe' a fancy way of saying I'm going to throw an idea out there and see if it gains traction? 

Edited August 16, 20195 yr by chookrat
Shitty spelling

36 minutes ago, chookrat said:

Is 'led to believe' a fancy way of saying I'm going to throw an idea out there and see if it gains traction? 

The question to answer there is,

Is it true he was promoted due to family name and backing? And that is a yes for me.

Would it help if I said ‘close sources’? You still won’t bekieve me. That’s your choice. Be oblivious to it. I don’t really care

6 hours ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

If we’re hanging our club’s future on an 18 year old kid saving our midfield structure we may as well go back to the days of Dean Bailey throwing Jack Watts under an enormous bus

Big difference between the opinions of unknowing supporters believing an 18 year old can suddenly transform the midfield than experienced football personal who I have no doubt would already have  worked out the solution for the future

6 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

VIney  three years ago oooozed passion for the club and tried his guts out. Second efforts, tackling, etc. tonight he was deplorable. I don’t think he is respected by teammate And I am led to believe it’s because many players see him as being protected and promoted due to family connections. He needs to relinquish captaincy immediately. His heart isn’t in it. Gawn must Captain the side in 2020

 

7 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Would it help if I said ‘close sources’? You still won’t bekieve me. That’s your choice. Be oblivious to it. I don’t really care

If your not prepared to name your so called sources yes it is just garbage.

14 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Would it help if I said ‘close sources’? You still won’t bekieve me. That’s your choice. Be oblivious to it. I don’t really care

It is best to ignore him

8 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Big difference between the opinions of unknowing supporters believing an 18 year old can suddenly transform the midfield than experienced football personal who I have no doubt would already have  worked out the solution for the future

You really have faith in those “experienced football personel”? Look where thats seemingly got us over the last 15 years

7 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

VIney  three years ago oooozed passion for the club and tried his guts out. Second efforts, tackling, etc. tonight he was deplorable. I don’t think he is respected by teammate And I am led to believe it’s because many players see him as being protected and promoted due to family connections. He needs to relinquish captaincy immediately. His heart isn’t in it. Gawn must Captain the side in 2020

Maybe some players think it but I doubt it is the reality.

I just think handing him the captaincy was very poor judgement on Goodwin's behalf.

My opinion here from observation & 2nd hand information is that he is extremely focussed & a lot of players don't relate to that. He may not have the emotional IQ that good leaders need.

1 minute ago, rjay said:

Maybe some players think it but I doubt it is the reality.

I just think handing him the captaincy was very poor judgement on Goodwin's behalf.

My opinion here from observation & 2nd hand information is that he is extremely focussed & a lot of players don't relate to that. He may not have the emotional IQ that good leaders need.

Well, he calls his wife the missus on radio so I doubt he speaks with human emotion to all the players.

6 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

It is best to ignore him

Bit like the majority on here who ignore half the verbal trash that you spruik also?

 

Edited August 16, 20195 yr by dazzledavey36

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Bit like the majority on here who ignore half the verbal trash that you spruik also?

 

Fine by me my hero.

Did he play last night?

7 minutes ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

You really have faith in those “experienced football personel”? Look where thats seemingly got us over the last 15 years

Regardless of what you think about them they still no more about the game than the supporters do.

8 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

Well, he calls his wife the missus on radio so I doubt he speaks with human emotion to all the players.

Fair dinkum what an idiotic thing to suggest

42 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Regardless of what you think about them they still no more about the game than the supporters do.

Extremely hard to see that given some of the team selections in recent weeks, and thats fact. 

8 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

VIney  three years ago oooozed passion for the club and tried his guts out. Second efforts, tackling, etc. tonight he was deplorable. I don’t think he is respected by teammate And I am led to believe it’s because many players see him as being protected and promoted due to family connections. He needs to relinquish captaincy immediately. His heart isn’t in it. Gawn must Captain the side in 2020

Have heard similar things tbh.

Might seem like a silly example, but if you want some kind of external 'proof' of this then look at the player interviews from the last few years where they ask "Who is the coaches pet?" The answer every time has been Viney. Now obviously that's meant as lighthearted entertainment, but without installing nanny cams in the locker rooms it's as close as you're going to get to an actual insight.

Accidental double post. Please delete.

Edited August 16, 20195 yr by Lord Nev

1 hour ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

Extremely hard to see that given some of the team selections in recent weeks, and thats fact. 

If you or any other supporter thinks they know more than the football dept. you are delusional and that is a fact

36 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

If you or any other supporter thinks they know more than the football dept. you are delusional and that is a fact

That may be true, But YOU are the most delusional poster on this site

”Nothing to see here, You can all go home..We are in control...”

19 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

That may be true, But YOU are the most delusional poster on this site

”Nothing to see here, You can all go home..We are in control...”

Thankyyou for those kind words

8 hours ago, rjay said:

Maybe some players think it but I doubt it is the reality.

I just think handing him the captaincy was very poor judgement on Goodwin's behalf.

My opinion here from observation & 2nd hand information is that he is extremely focussed & a lot of players don't relate to that. He may not have the emotional IQ that good leaders need.

YOu are on the money. He doesn’t relate to many of his teammates. That was the word I was given. Jones did, but is also a different age bracket to a lot of the younger guys and is becoming less focussed on football. We need a change. It’s simple 

19 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

YOu are on the money. He doesn’t relate to many of his teammates. That was the word I was given. Jones did, but is also a different age bracket to a lot of the younger guys and is becoming less focussed on football. We need a change. It’s simple 

I think we will see a change 'Leoncelli'...I just hope they don't take the easy way and make it a Gawn/Viney co captain situation.

It's Max time...sole captain. Make the hard call club...

16 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

VIney  three years ago oooozed passion for the club and tried his guts out. Second efforts, tackling, etc. tonight he was deplorable. I don’t think he is respected by teammate And I am led to believe it’s because many players see him as being protected and promoted due to family connections. He needs to relinquish captaincy immediately. His heart isn’t in it. Gawn must Captain the side in 2020

The stats don't support that view.  If you take Pressure Acts, Contested Possessions and Tackles as the measure then it's easy to see which Captain has dropped their bundle this year in terms of work rate:

   Avgs:                   Pressure Acts,                      Contested Possessions                 Tackles

Career                   Viney 20.4, Jones 11.1       Viney 10.9, Jones 8.5                       Viney 5.8, Jones 3.7

2019                       Viney 21.5, Jones 11.0       Viney 9.3, Jones 6.8                       Viney 5.3, Jones 2.2

2018                       Viney 21.0, Jones 15.4       Viney 13.5, Jones 9.0                     Viney 5.9, Jones 3.7

2017                       Viney 21.5, Jones 16.3       Viney 11.8, Jones 9.4                     Viney 7.0, Jones 5.4

2016                       Viney 21.0, Jones 17.1       Viney 12.8, Jones 10.5                   Viney 7.0, Jones 5.4

2015                       Viney 18.4, Jones 14.9      Viney 12.1, Jones 9.9                      Viney 6.6, Jones 4.3

2014                       Viney 19.6, Jones 16.4      Viney 8.7, Jones 11.6                      Viney 4.4, Jones 5.2

2013                       Viney 18.8, Jones 13.4      Viney 9.2, Jones 10.9                      Viney 4.2, Jones 3.5

Viney is rated elite for Pressure Acts and tackles and above average in contested Possessions.  Jones is rated as below average for Pressure acts and average for Contested Possessions and tackles (below average for all three this year).

Edited August 17, 20195 yr by grazman