Jump to content
  • Podcast: No Merger Podcast &      

Lord Nev

Angus Brayshaw to Fremantle Rumours

Recommended Posts

1 minute ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

 

Sam Mitchell didn't disrupt Hawthorns entire midfield structure, our midfield looks clearly better without Jack in it, but he walks into the side, and captaincy because his sir name is Viney. 

if his sir name was Brayshaw he'd 100% be on the trade block.

That wasnt the point at all but whatever. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

11 tackles in his first final, more than anyone on the ground and spent less time on the ground than anyone  and 27 disposals 17 contested both of them game high and still spent less than anyone on the ground for Melbourne in the second final, But yeah sure lets trade out a captain and a player who is 10 times more the competitor than 90% of our list.

I dont overrate his importance, i just rate his importance.

Sure, but I didn't say he played poorly in the finals, I said we did fine without him and as a co-captain of a team lacking "connection" it's an indictment on his leadership that he's the worst kick inside 50 in the AFL.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Demon3 said:

Angus can be a great Kick when he takes the time to care and look, that hasn't happened all year.  Over their career, Jacks Disposal Eff is better and he turns it over less than Angus. But you rate it better so thats ok.

 

Just my opinion, no need to get your knickers in a knot, as usual.

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Angus can be a great Kick when he takes the time to care and look, that hasn't happened all year.  Over their career, Jacks Disposal Eff is better and he turns it over less than Angus. But you rate it better so thats ok.

 

Disposal efficiency is a useless stat, but nevertheless I don't think 0.7% is much to write home about especially given most of Viney's disposals are handballs, and most of Brayshaw's are kicks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Lord Nev said:

Disposal efficiency is a useless stat, but nevertheless I don't think 0.7% is much to write home about especially given most of Viney's disposals are handballs, and most of Brayshaw's are kicks.

Stats can be skewed to suit either side of the argument, you said some overrate his importance i disagree, but thats ok, we are allowed to.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

25 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

IF that is true (source?) then it's not brave, it's completely stupid and horrible management from the club.

Wouldn’t be the first time the club has done something stupid when it comes to player management. If he is injured, and I suspect he is, I have no [censored] clue why they are being so cruel as to play him week after week, out of position, and watch him lose all confidence. 

I almost don’t know what I prefer to believe, that Gus is no good, or that the club are so stupid. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Demon3 said:

Stats can be skewed to suit either side of the argument, you said some overrate his importance i disagree, but thats ok, we are allowed to.

I'm using the stats you brought up mate.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Just my opinion, no need to get your knickers in a knot, as usual.

 

no worries, i remember you pulling me up on my opinions recently, so i guess i just thought thats what we do here. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

I'm using the stats you brought up mate.

exactly, and making them sound like they are not a big deal because they dont suit your opinion. 

 

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Demon3 said:

exactly, and making them sound like they are not a big deal because they dont suit your opinion.

No mate, they're are not a big deal full stop. Please follow this:

There's 0.7% difference in their disposal efficiency.

Disposal efficiency is not a good stat. There are situations where you can turn the ball over and it counts as an "effective disposal".

Disposal efficiency also lacks context - for example handballs would more often hit a target.

Further to that, Viney handballs 58% of the time, Brayshaw handballs 43% of the time, so clearly that effects that number.

I'm doing the exact opposite of "skewing" the stats, I'm actually looking at them properly.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In my opinion, if he doesn't improve his output, he should be floated as a trade..

Oliver has shown determination this year, Angus looks to be in 3rd gear.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

exactly, and making them sound like they are not a big deal because they dont suit your opinion. 

 

 

 

 

To quote the great Mark Bosnich

"Stats are like a bikini, they show a lot, but not everything.”

  • Haha 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I can't believe I'm going to suggest this because I want Gus to stay. But thinking slightly outside the box...

Pick 20(ish), our 2020 first round pick and Gus for Langdon, Hill and their Pick 8(ish)

Get in the runners we need and take 2 Top 10 selections to the draft backing ourselves to climb again next year. 

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

No mate, they're are not a big deal full stop. Please follow this:

There's 0.7% difference in their disposal efficiency.

Disposal efficiency is not a good stat. There are situations where you can turn the ball over and it counts as an "effective disposal".

Disposal efficiency also lacks context - for example handballs would more often hit a target.

Further to that, Viney handballs 58% of the time, Brayshaw handballs 43% of the time, so clearly that effects that number.

I'm doing the exact opposite of "skewing" the stats, I'm actually looking at them properly.

God you and your know it all mates are hard work, especially when you get challenged on something. I am doing the same, i looked at the stats and said Vineys Disp Eff is better,  you say its only 0.7% better so its not really relevant, i say thats fair, you can skew stas to suit any argument, you say stats arent a big deal then real of numbers and percentages to back up your argument. LOL. 

Its so draining not being able to have balanced conversations which i tried to do. 

Also im not your mate.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

40 minutes ago, Robbie57 said:

Clearly something is amiss with Brayshaw. On Saturday night I was able to go down to the rooms after the match, as they came down the race to the rooms Goody had his arm around Brayshaw who looked distressed.   Mind you they all looked pretty close to distressed and I was left in no doubt as a group they are hurting. I actually found the looks on their faces pretty confronting. 

Pre game McDonald spoke at the club function and said that all the players know its hard for the supporters to turn up but it means a lot to the playing group that supporters turn up. Goody also turned up briefly and said the players remain united. 

 

Thanks, I am glad to see Goody showing he has that side to his nature. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Demon3 said:

God you and your know it all mates are hard work, especially when you get challenged on something. I am doing the same, i looked at the stats and said Vineys Disp Eff is better,  you say its only 0.7% better so its not really relevant, i say thats fair, you can skew stas to suit any argument, you say stats arent a big deal then real of numbers and percentages to back up your argument. LOL. 

Its so draining not being able to have balanced conversations which i tried to do. 

Also im not your mate.

Look, I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. I discussed the point with you, provided context and further stats as well as some further analysis. If you want to talk about the topic that's what I'm here for. Apologies for calling you mate, I won't make that mistake again.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
23 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

no worries, i remember you pulling me up on my opinions recently, so i guess i just thought thats what we do here. 

You must stew over every poster then.

You're posting non stop and bagging everyone else's opinion, then getting found out with nuance (e.g. by Lord Nev). Give it a rest.

You think Viney is a better kick than Gus. That's cool. Few will agree with you. No biggie 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Moonshadow said:

You must stew over every poster then.

You're posting non stop and bagging everyone else's opinion, then getting found out with nuance (e.g. by Lord Nev). Give it a rest.

You think Viney is a better kick than Gus. That's cool. Few will agree with you. No biggie 

Lol,  I am up for balanced discussion, happy to admit when someone makes a good point, i like the banter and love discussing the club with like minded people, and i dont mind a bit  of an argument, sure, im not going to roll over and be talked down to, ill stick up for myself. I mean yeah i post a lot, but its all relative when you compare it to 12, 931 posts.

Im basically the opposite of you. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Lol,  I am up for balanced discussion, happy to admit when someone makes a good point, i like the banter and love discussing the club with like minded people, and i dont mind a bit  of an argument, sure, im not going to roll over and be talked down to, ill stick up for myself. I mean yeah i post a lot, but its all relative when you compare it to 12, 931 posts.

Im basically the opposite of you. 

That explains why you're so bitter. You started this.

Whatever. Try and ease off the angry pills, pal. They don't work well for you

C ya

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Gus has 3 more years on what I assume is a pretty decent contract, are we sure anyone even wants to trade for him? 

If he was at another club I wouldn't be racing out to get him with anything like a top 25 pick. Especially given his concussion history it would be a huge risk based around a number of games in 2018 where he was really prolific and strong at winning the ball but hardly all that skilled.

Right now he just doesn't have any pace or confidence. I'd probably play him half back and have the game come to him, he'll get some easy touches by reading the play and winning it. See if that keeps it simple for him for the last 3 weeks.

Otherwise it has to be a lack of confidence and physical limitations because he looks so far off it. It's going to take some Darren Burgess miracle work and if it does go to plan that will mean more fitness and burst for Viney, Oliver, Petracca and Harmes as well and then they can all rotate through.

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The little paper today was suggesting a trade for Gus might be the tonic he needs and that Langdon and Cerra could be in the equation.

Edited by Moonshadow

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Right now he just doesn't have any pace or confidence. I'd probably play him half back and have the game come to him, he'll get some easy touches by reading the play and winning it. See if that keeps it simple for him for the last 3 weeks

Yeah, I posted a similar (but opposite haha) thing in the match preview thread. I suggested playing him forward, like deeper forward, where maybe he can snag a couple of goals, get involved in some scoring, just generally do some things that might bring him some enjoyment from his footy. Similar mindset to what you're suggesting with the half back idea, just a different end of the ground.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

That explains why you're so bitter. You started this.

Whatever. Try and ease off the angry pills, pal. They don't work well for you

C ya

 

Haha, you know you have really gotten to someone when they go down the  "Mate" or the "Pal" track.

C ya Moonie, have a wonderful evening and hope we can chat again soon.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Honestly, I'm just annoyed by this thread.

In form, Angus Brayshaw is a top quality midfielder with calm vision and initiative to make things happening.

Our of form, not so much. But also, crap trade value.

Trading him because of his poor form this year, when half the team has had a poor year, would be blatant and unreasonable scapegoating and foolish from a list development level as well as a team solidarity level.

Some people need to find healthier ways to manage their emotions.

  • Like 5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Social Media

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles

    OVERPOWERED by George on the Outer

    In a dismal display against Port Adelaide, Melbourne showed it had learnt nothing from their previous week’s loss to Brisbane. Port, in contrast, after losing to St.Kilda, addressed their failings, and as a result made the Demons look like a second-rate side.  Melbourne failed to score a goal in the first quarter, and the first time it seriously troubled the goal umpire was saved until a minute before half-time.  Did it get any better?  No with their meagre three goals for the sec

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    DESPERATION OF THE MOMENT by Whispering Jack

    Melbourne’s recent win against Hawthorn highlighted how important Max Gawn’s ruck domination is for the team. A week later however, that domination continued but its effect was totally blunted by the Brisbane Lions midfield and, as a consequence, what could have been an easy win over a leading AFL contender turned into a disappointing but close loss and a sense of desperation now looms over the club as the halfway mark of the season approaches. This week’s opponent in Port Adelaide also und

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    THE FOUR POINT FAIL by George on the Outer

    Melbourne went down by 4 points in a thrilling finish against Brisbane, but they failed by more than the 4 points.     They also failed to score the 4 points necessary to keep them in the race for the finals, and now find themselves sitting 6 points outside the top 8, but effectively 2 games outside (even though they have a game in hand).   The Demons had more than enough opportunities to win.  Six very easy shots on goal failed to bother the goal umpire with a major and ultimate

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    NORTH OF THE BORDER PART 2 by The Oracle

    The travelling COVID circus moves north of the border yet again and, unless at some time in the near future, Papua New Guinea opens its borders, this could be the last time this phenomenon happens. And as fortune would dictate, the resurgent Demons are walking directly into the sights of the locals from the bright lights of Brizvegas to Carrara - the scene of some long-forgotten (and deservedly so) battles with one of the Lions’ former incarnations, namely, the Brisbane Bears. But unli

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    ON THE NOSE by George on the Outer

    One of the Hawthorn Football Club’s valued sponsors is Azep® Nasal Spray and given the thrashing handed out to the Hawks in today’s game, it would appear that they need a huge supply of the sponsor’s product because they are simply on the nose. This condition was caused by the sheer dominance of the Demons, led magnificently by skipper Max Gawn with 27 hitouts and 22 disposals including two clearances. Around him in the middle were Christian Petracca with 29 touches, Clayton Oliver (also on

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    THE PREMIER LEAGUE by Whispering Jack

    So the new man under the pump is Clarko, which demonstrates how sad but predictable the football media is these days. In an age where each AFL team’s form can be topsy turvy and unpredictability is the order of the day, the coach of a team that has played five out of the top six teams from the previous season and sits with a 3/3 win loss record is this week’s whipping boy.   This comes admittedly on the back of a bad fortnight from the Hawks who in recent years have exhibited an enormous

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    SUNSMART by George on the Outer

    If you don’t want to get sunburnt, you follow the Sunsmart rules.  Melbourne took the advice and with their season on the line, avoided getting burnt by the Gold Coast Suns, with a gripping 17 point win. It was a match that could have gone either way, with the sides within a kick of each other for all but the final minutes of the final quarter. Melbourne had stretched the lead earlier in the game to 18 points, but that quickly evaporated to a neck and neck race to the finish.  Finally,

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    NORTH OF THE BORDER by The Oracle

    The outcomes of Melbourne’s recent games against the Gold Coast Suns are a pretty good barometer of how the teams are faring. The Demons easily accounted for them twice in 2018, the last win being a 96-point cakewalk at the MCG in Round 20 when they scored a whopping 21.17.143 to 7.5.47. Ironically, Melbourne’s score of 9.3.57 at the first break that afternoon is leading its highest score for a full game to date this year by 3 points. In those days, they played fast, skillful football, moved th

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews 5

    PACK YOUR BAGS by George on The Outer

    The scene was captured by the TV camera’s before the match with a view of the Melbourne side’s bags packed next to the team bus to facilitate their flight up north to the AFL hub where they will play their next matches. However, on the basis of the efforts against Richmond, unless things change, and change rapidly, there will be some who will be told to pack their bags on a more permanent basis. Once again, the supporters got much the same story from this match against Richmond, as

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    SOUTH OF THE BORDER by the Oracle

    Thankfully they moved this week’s game from Sydney where the sun shines and the virus breeds ever so slowly and almost nobody returns a positive test. The change of fixture comes at precisely the right time to allow everyone in town to head to the MCG on Sunday at around 3:30pm, not to catch up with what’s going on inside the ground but rather, to do what’s fashionable for woke folk in 2020 — pulling down statues. It’s time for Kevin Bartlett and Leigh Matthews to go but you can’t touch Norm Smi

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    LESSONS IN LOSING by George on the Outer

    Turn up for the game and look like you want to win it.  Melbourne lost this game to Geelong, a game after a couple of extended breaks, looking like they were at the end of a 22 game season. Right from the start there was a lack of intensity across the board, as the Demons played exactly the type of game that the ageing Geelong list wanted. Geelong repeatedly played possession footy, to avoid having to run those ageing legs, something that Melbourne failed to exploit.  To use the oft quot

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    QUARRANTINO by Whispering Jack

    At a little after 4.00pm last Saturday, the MCG ceased to be the centre of the AFL universe. That was when the AFL’s el supremo Gil McLaughlin announced that the Bombers’ Conor McKenna had returned a COVID-19 positive result and declared that the game set for the following day between Essendon and Melbourne was postponed.  What followed was truly the stuff of a pulp fiction novel. We witnessed a suitcase load of mental gymnastics and spin calculated to let McKenna (and the Essendon Football

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

×
×
  • Create New...