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Its linked below.. Max goes back/across with the flight, Liam Ryan takes a big mark on him. Max is down winded Willie Rioli comes and pats him on the head and Nathan Vardy shoves the downed Gawn.

Where the [censored] is our fight? We get walked over time and time again and it never changes. We are no longer a year in year out bottom four side, we have growing members and some darn decent players but things still remain from the past. One of the better ruckman seen for a long time and maybe will go down as the greatest and we just let a pair of soft players who are only known to have played tonight because they are in the footage of a great mark push around and walk over Max Gawn.

That there made me mad, push a player around when he gets out muscled or kicks it out of the full... fine but to let opposition do as they please to your own (downed) teammate is distressing. The message it sends isnt great and i understand not giving a free away or a 50 but he was at the top of the goal square. Stick up for your teammate.

 

 

 

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    Vardy played such a great game, it's the only time I noticed him on the ground all night.

    What a weak ....

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    I agree

    someome should have Sparked a melee

    weve been pss poor at this for ages

    our seasons fked may as well stand up and break vardys arm off

    that sure makes a statement - don’t mess with max or we’ll av your arm off 

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    Even Bruce M said it was a poor look by Vardy particularly when Maxy was dominanting him around the ground 

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    If you look closely you can see that Ryan accidentally kicks Max in the face whilst in the air. 

    Makes Vardy’s act even grubbier. 

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    About the bravest thing Rioli has ever done in a game.

    Vardy is only a placeholder for NicNat.

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    I hope Goodwin talks about this during his review. Can't let this stuff happen.

     

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    27 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

    Its linked below.. Max goes back/across with the flight, Liam Ryan takes a big mark on him. Max is down winded Willie Rioli comes and pats him on the head and Nathan Vardy shoves the downed Gawn.

    Where the [censored] is our fight? We get walked over time and time again and it never changes. We are no longer a year in year out bottom four side, we have growing members and some darn decent players but things still remain from the past. One of the better ruckman seen for a long time and maybe will go down as the greatest and we just let a pair of soft players who are only known to have played tonight because they are in the footage of a great mark push around and walk over Max Gawn.

    That there made me mad, push a player around when he gets out muscled or kicks it out of the full... fine but to let opposition do as they please to your own (downed) teammate is distressing. The message it sends isnt great and i understand not giving a free away or a 50 but he was at the top of the goal square. Stick up for your teammate.

     

     

     

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    Yep,   your right,  'dnimd'...

     

    All they did was the softest of fend offs, a couple of them...  to say get off him you thugs.   I would like to see one or two,  scrag them by the collar,  front on,  pushing them make THEM backpedal.

    This is another sign of having a dee-fault position of over passiveness...  its an automatic response from our colours...  and this same attitude even when not seen,  is a reflection of our inner conservative state.

    We have to get this passive our of our club.

     

    We are too comfortable with being passive, holistically as a club...  from the supporters right thru every part of the club... Inc: song.

     

    We would be healthier as a footy club,  If we were more comfortable being aggressive as a dee-fault position,  and less comfortable in a passive type mood. 

    Certainly on the weekends and game-days.

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    9 minutes ago, Adzman said:

    I hope Goodwin talks about this during his review. Can't let this stuff happen.

     

    We behave too well... too gentlemanly.

     

    Lets teach our player s to be animals during games.  More like Dermie's attitude...  not the mental stuff...  but the Vigorous aggressive attitude,  he exuded.

    When the chips are down we sit on our hands,  and wait to see what unfolds. 

     

    I do not believe all our players come to the club in this state.. It is a learned behaviour.    SO we can UN-Learn it as well...   but it is inherent in our clubs outer overall Culture.

     

    Even Max himself is too nice...  not enough of a mongrel.   He has to start to show more aggro as well...

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    I agree. We have mostly passive players. If Preuss was along side, he would of nailed Vardy for that!

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    Let’s not forget Fritsch’s terrible work rate here which allowed Ryan to have that free run at it. He was ahead of Ryan but just jogged along. 

    He basically set Gawn up for that. 

     

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    Yeh we shoulda bashed Vardy for that one.

    Then complained about the rise in violence amongst fans at the games...

    Theres a time to "fly the flag" and theres a time to just be the "bigger man" and walk away. Gawn is a legend. Vardys reputation as an afl player (whatever that means) was defined in that moment. What a [censored].

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    30 minutes ago, DV8 said:

    Yep,   your right,  'dnimd'...

     

    All they did was the softest of fend offs, a couple of them...  to say get off him you thugs.   I would like to see one or two,  scrag them by the collar,  front on,  pushing them make THEM backpedal.

    This is another sign of having a dee-fault position of over passiveness...  its an automatic response from our colours...  and this same attitude even when not seen,  is a reflection of our inner conservative state.

    We have to get this passive our of our club.

     

    We are too comfortable with being passive, holistically as a club...  from the supporters right thru every part of the club... Inc: song.

     

    We would be healthier as a footy club,  If we were more comfortable being aggressive as a dee-fault position,  and less comfortable in a passive type mood. 

    Certainly on the weekends and game-days.

    Spot on

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    8 minutes ago, Juicebox said:

    Yeh we shoulda bashed Vardy for that one.

    Then complained about the rise in violence amongst fans at the games...

    Theres a time to "fly the flag" and theres a time to just be the "bigger man" and walk away. Gawn is a legend. Vardys reputation as an afl player (whatever that means) was defined in that moment. What a [censored].

    Odd comment. Big difference between bashing someone and standing up for your mate.

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    You’re off the mark here. You know what I liked, his teammates weeent concerned about punching on, they were concerned about picking the big fella up. That’s being a team. It’s not the 70s or 80s. They pushed the dumb [censored] Vardy away and helped Max up. 

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    8 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

    You’re off the mark here. You know what I liked, his teammates weeent concerned about punching on, they were concerned about picking the big fella up. That’s being a team. It’s not the 70s or 80s. They pushed the dumb [censored] Vardy away and helped Max up. 

    Did they help Max get up when he got smashed around in round1?

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    1 hour ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

    Its linked below.. Max goes back/across with the flight, Liam Ryan takes a big mark on him. Max is down winded Willie Rioli comes and pats him on the head and Nathan Vardy shoves the downed Gawn.

    Where the [censored] is our fight? We get walked over time and time again and it never changes. We are no longer a year in year out bottom four side, we have growing members and some darn decent players but things still remain from the past. One of the better ruckman seen for a long time and maybe will go down as the greatest and we just let a pair of soft players who are only known to have played tonight because they are in the footage of a great mark push around and walk over Max Gawn.

    That there made me mad, push a player around when he gets out muscled or kicks it out of the full... fine but to let opposition do as they please to your own (downed) teammate is distressing. The message it sends isnt great and i understand not giving a free away or a 50 but he was at the top of the goal square. Stick up for your teammate.

     

     

     

    https://gfycat.com/ColorlessConstantCer

    Typical Typical MFC PLAYERS, NO RESPECT OR FIGHT! SAYS A LOT! 

    Maybe it aint the 70ts or 80ts but the meak response is pretty much where we stand as a footy club

    Where is our Rod Grinter??

     

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    Vardy looks like he would be very comfortable in a Nazi uniform. Makes my skin crawl.

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    1 hour ago, Yeats8 said:

    Even Bruce M said it was a poor look by Vardy particularly when Maxy was dominanting him around the ground 

    Never mind the look of them...  they did exactly what you'd expect a team with aggression to do. 

     

    The poor look was ours...  not being aggressive enough generally, & standing up for Max.

     

     

    If we are to ever become a powerful club,  we have to stop wining about what other clubs, do, do... and start cracking IT about what our team and players Do Not Do.

    When we raise tour own aggressive standards,  then we will start to win matches,  and start beat stronger,  higher up clubs.

     

    Until that time, we have to work on getting harder,  tougher and better in all ways.

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    57 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

    Let’s not forget Fritsch’s terrible work rate here which allowed Ryan to have that free run at it. He was ahead of Ryan but just jogged along. 

    He basically set Gawn up for that. 

     

    Fritsh should be droppoed for that alone. Add in his missed targets and really poor decisions then he is outski

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    Max was surrounded by young players and a first year player in Marty Hore, who went in to help him. Where were the senior and more experienced players? Hopefully this state of affairs will change as these young players grow into their roles and gain more experience. Plus the team is missing players because of injury. Considering this the team put up a better show than expected. Only the kicking for goals and the dismal umpiring lost the game.

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    1 hour ago, DV8 said:

    Yep,   your right,  'dnimd'...

     

    All they did was the softest of fend offs, a couple of them...  to say get off him you thugs.   I would like to see one or two,  scrag them by the collar,  front on,  pushing them make THEM backpedal.

    This is another sign of having a dee-fault position of over passiveness...  its an automatic response from our colours...  and this same attitude even when not seen,  is a reflection of our inner conservative state.

    We have to get this passive our of our club.

     

    We are too comfortable with being passive, holistically as a club...  from the supporters right thru every part of the club... Inc: song.

     

    We would be healthier as a footy club,  If we were more comfortable being aggressive as a dee-fault position,  and less comfortable in a passive type mood. 

    Certainly on the weekends and game-days.

    Exactly right DV8, but the do-gooder supporters will say but it makes no difference.

    For the last 15 years (at least) opposition teams have seen the upcoming fixture being Melbourne and thought sweet, I can do whatever I want and get away with it.

    I hate to say it, but we're still bordering on bruise-free. Sure we go hard at the footy, but we don't show any other form of toughness.

    Ruthless! That's how you win flags. No, for the muppets, I don't mean violent. Ruthless means standing up for your mates, playing hard (but fair) at ball and man.

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    7 minutes ago, picket fence said:

    Typical Typical MFC PLAYERS, NO RESPECT OR FIGHT! SAYS A LOT! 

    Maybe it aint the 70ts or 80ts but the meak response is pretty much where we stand as a footy club

    Where is our Rod Grinter??

     

    It's not Rod Grinter we want, PF. 

    Its the whole team adopting aggression as a badge of Honour...  instead of being proud,  to be passive.

     

    One aggressive player makes no difference. its a team attitude that is required.

     

    Did Ditterich make us win ?

    Brad Miller ?

     

    Recruiting one type of player as a stop gap,  does not work,   its a band aid application.

    Aggression is a team strategy,  and philosophy.

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    2 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

    Exactly right DV8, but the do-gooder supporters will say but it makes no difference.

    For the last 15 years (at least) opposition teams have seen the upcoming fixture being Melbourne and thought sweet, I can do whatever I want and get away with it.

    I hate to say it, but we're still bordering on bruise-free. Sure we go hard at the footy, but we don't show any other form of toughness.

    Ruthless! That's how you win flags. No, for the muppets, I don't mean violent. Ruthless means standing up for your mates, playing hard (but fair) at ball and man.

    And also they came out after halftime knowing they were vulnerable with rotations. etc.

     they went hard and tried to hit and hurt and they did send a couple of ours off. they tries bending some rules as far as they could get away with...  and we let them get away with these plays without a whimper.

     

    Because we pride be correct, politically correct club...  we obey the law far far too much.   Our love of the 'high-moral ground',  is used against us off field by Oppo supporters...  and its used against us On-Field,  by Oppo teams who love to Hate our  'holier-than-thou'  way of looking at our world.

    We place ourselves above others and clubs.

     

    This works against us ever single season...  and every single round of footy.  

    The only time other clubs & supporters respect us,  is when they feel sorry for us... when we are impotent,  and down on our knees.

     

    It's our own fault.. we are a sanctimonious type club.   and because of this perpetually affirming ideal... we cannot sustain our aggression over a season...  let alone over a 5 Yr period, before it starts to dry on the Viney.

     

    What can we do... What can we do...  to change ourselves...  to save ourselves,  from our own self-damning ideals ???

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