On 01/05/2019 at 01:23, Matsuo Basho said:

Use the ignore function. Then you can live in your bubble without having to read views you disagree with. Problem solved.

No don't think so, it is entertaining reading and I don't need to go to the circus to see he clowns.

Trolls gonna troll. 

  On 30/04/2019 at 11:57, _H_ said:

Any thoughts on whether Gary Pert leaving Collingwood was good for them, and him becoming CEO of Melbourne has beeen bad for us?

Do not care about the Filth's condition in losing Pert. Not one little bit. Someone suggested that Pert will be the white knight in saving the Club by procuring a home ground and facilities. Well and good, but already, as a member, I would like to hear/see and witness some current leadership (that he appears to be holding in abeyance at present and since his appointment). The Club really needs this leadership at present and so far, Pert ain't the provider. His predecessor would have totally outscored him at this point of our history and journey into the doldrums - and is already sorely missed. Frozen inactivity is all that I can glean from Pert's appointment. 

  On 01/05/2019 at 01:33, Ethan Tremblay said:

Trolls gonna troll. 

Why is it ‘trolling’ to suggest there may be a link between documented coterie and inner sanctum discontent at the Pert appointment ... and our extraordinary plummet to the foot of the ladder? You might not subscribe to the theory and that’s fine but again, don’t be frightened of posters who don’t always play to the chorus line you want them to. That’s just plain weak. When someone states an opinion, show maturity and refute it with logic. Or don’t post at all. 

  On 01/05/2019 at 01:47, Matsuo Basho said:

Why is it ‘trolling’ to suggest there may be a link between documented coterie and inner sanctum discontent at the Pert appointment ... and our extraordinary plummet to the foot of the ladder? You might not subscribe to the theory and that’s fine but again, don’t be frightened of posters who don’t always play to the chorus line you want them to. That’s just plain weak. When someone states an opinion, show maturity and refute it with logic. Or don’t post at all. 

Show us the documented proof { and not some media beat up of discontent }.

It was a lot easier two weeks ago when we could just blame everything on Oscar McDonald.

  On 30/04/2019 at 21:19, old dee said:

Having said that it is obvious that Peter Jackson did not want Pert as his replacement and if he did not want him then you have to wonder.

 

Internally, the club wanted Mahoney as Jackson’s replacement. The AFL did not allow Jackson to have a say in his successor. 

Edited May 1, 20195 yr by _H_

  On 01/05/2019 at 01:50, drysdale demon said:

Show us the documented proof { and not some media beat up of discontent }.

Read the article.

If you prefer to believe Caro made it up out of thin air that’s your prerogative. I don’t.

https://amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/gary-pert-s-resurrection-a-contentious-call-at-melbourne-20180629-p4zojn.html

“The old Melbourne guard - a vocal and gregarious group of former committeemen, coterie and old Melburnians (the school not the club) - were loud in their condemnation that Bartlett had recruited a Collingwood discard. Admittedly many of this group have had their time at board level with underwhelming results but many still give generously to the club.

Ditto the Demons' most influential past players and ditto a long list of other club CEOs who have great respect for the achievements of the outgoing Peter Jackson and were dismayed that Jackson had been totally shut out of the search for his successor.

Internally in the weeks that led up to and then followed the Pert announcement, Bartlett and his board and notably his influential director Geoff Freeman were confronted with spot fires in a number of directions. Three club executives - George de Crespigny, David Chippindall and the internal favourite Josh Mahoney - were in for the job and initially the view was that the club was
looking at a succession plan.

Mahoney had strong support from his own department - coach Simon Goodwin said so publicly at the start of June much to the chairman's chagrin - and Mahoney's colleagues were extremely disappointed on his behalf when he didn't get the job.”

Edited May 1, 20195 yr by Demonland

This is an article by Caroline Wilson last year:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/gary-pert-s-resurrection-a-contentious-call-at-melbourne-20180629-p4zojn.html

 

If you don’t believe 1 person can cause trouble in a football club, try remembering how bad it was when Cameron Schwab was around.

  On 01/05/2019 at 01:54, _H_ said:

Internally, the club wanted Mahoney as Jackson’s replacement. The AFL did not allow Jackson to have a say in his successor. 

Big call. Any evidence to back it up? And please not a quote from a journo, unless they cite specific, verifiable evidence not just a 'source'.

As I suggested earlier I wonder about your motivation for the op. My source tells me you have an agenda fuelled by a powerful dislike of Gary Pert.

 

  On 01/05/2019 at 02:06, binman said:

Big call. Any evidence to back it up? And please not a quote from a journo, unless they cite specific, verifiable evidence not just a 'source'.

As I suggested earlier I wonder about your motivation for the op. My source tells me you have an agenda fuelled by a powerful dislike of Gary Pert.

 

Got any documented proof of that binman?

  On 01/05/2019 at 01:58, Matsuo Basho said:

Read (if you can) 

I'm confused. In several of your recent hundreds of posts you have lambasted other posters for resorting to personal insults rather than engaging in 'logical' debate.

Any whoo i will take your advice to put you on ignore. If nothing else it will making scrolling through threads much easier.

  On 01/05/2019 at 02:10, old dee said:

Got any documented proof of that binman?

I can neither confirm or deny.

I won't name my source either. Nor will I even confirm if it is a 'reliable' source. 

  On 01/05/2019 at 02:15, binman said:

I'm confused. In several of your recent hundreds of posts you have lambasted other posters for resorting to personal insults rather than engaging in 'logical' debate.

Any whoo i will take your advice to put you on ignore. If nothing else it will making scrolling through threads much easier.

No worries. Enjoy your echo chamber.

  On 01/05/2019 at 02:19, binman said:

I can neither confirm or deny.

I won't name my source either. Nor will I even confirm if it is a 'reliable' source. 

I find the whole subject quite funny. What a wonderful club we all belong to!

  On 30/04/2019 at 23:27, binman said:

By the by, interesting thread given it is the first post by the op since May 2017. Curious.

I can appreciate it looks that way, but I haven’t been as disheartened as a member since the Kardinia massacre when they sacked Bailey. I waited years on the waiting list for a reserved seat as a premium member, and I’m seriously thinking of giving it away because there is only so long you can stick with a club that can’t get it’s [censored] together. I neither new of or cared about Pert until Caroline Wilson commented about him coming to us. The way the AFL forced his appointment against the wishes of what was a unified and high functioning football club wasn’t right with me. 

  On 30/04/2019 at 16:52, dee-tox said:

We seem to be obsessed with the blame game as if one single person is is responsible for all of our woes! 

So far, we have identified Taylor, Misson, Chaplin, Jones, Pert, Hogan, May, etc.

I thought Melbourne supporters were smarter than that.

Not being able to train because of surgeries, to me, is the biggest factor in our poor form. One that most informed Demonland posters were worried about in February/March.

DT - You forgot Garland, Watts, Toumpas and Tyson ?

  On 01/05/2019 at 01:58, Matsuo Basho said:

Read (if you can) the article.

If you prefer to believe Caro made it up out of thin air that’s your prerogative. I don’t.

https://amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/gary-pert-s-resurrection-a-contentious-call-at-melbourne-20180629-p4zojn.html

“The old Melbourne guard - a vocal and gregarious group of former committeemen, coterie and old Melburnians (the school not the club) - were loud in their condemnation that Bartlett had recruited a Collingwood discard. Admittedly many of this group have had their time at board level with underwhelming results but many still give generously to the club.

Ditto the Demons' most influential past players and ditto a long list of other club CEOs who have great respect for the achievements of the outgoing Peter Jackson and were dismayed that Jackson had been totally shut out of the search for his successor.

Internally in the weeks that led up to and then followed the Pert announcement, Bartlett and his board and notably his influential director Geoff Freeman were confronted with spot fires in a number of directions. Three club executives - George de Crespigny, David Chippindall and the internal favourite Josh Mahoney - were in for the job and initially the view was that the club was
looking at a succession plan.

Mahoney had strong support from his own department - coach Simon Goodwin said so publicly at the start of June much to the chairman's chagrin - and Mahoney's colleagues were extremely disappointed on his behalf when he didn't get the job.”

I did say not a media beat up

  On 01/05/2019 at 01:54, _H_ said:

Internally, the club wanted Mahoney as Jackson’s replacement. The AFL did not allow Jackson to have a say in his successor. 

Oh boy... if your opinion could be classified as 'news' this would be the definition of 'fake' news'. 

This is categorically false.

Seriously i am confused here. 

Pert was put in the position by The AFL or Bartlett??

  On 01/05/2019 at 02:06, binman said:

As I suggested earlier I wonder about your motivation for the op. My source tells me you have an agenda fuelled by a powerful dislike of Gary Pert.

 

Actually, the more relevant question is your (and a few others) motivation to seek to shut the discussion down. 

  On 01/05/2019 at 02:52, Sir Why You Little said:

Seriously i am confused here. 

Pert was put in the position by The AFL or Bartlett??

Damian Barrett

  On 30/04/2019 at 12:58, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I can’t for the life of me imagine how he would have any impact whatsoever on our onfield performance.

With that said, Collingwood played finals 7 of his 11 years at the helm, winning 1 premiership and coming runner-up once.  If he does have an impact, sounds like a pretty good one.

The CEO drives the club ... he answers to the board and would liaise with the Chairman/President  but the Admin,  FD and various other areas are ultimately his responsibilty.

Obviously Pert can't go out and kick goals for the team but again,  the buck stops with the CEO.

So if any areas aren't performing he can step in and make decisions ... albeit with the backing of the board.

A good example is Peter Jackson ... he came in and made a lot of changes,  got rid of a lot of people (Neeld,  assistant coaches et al) as well as continuing our NT connection,  Pokies etc.

Another example is Cameron Schwab who copped the blame for just about everything (some would say rightfully so)

But all CEO's at footy clubs tend to play the same role.  So if the footy club turns to complete shitt,  the spotlight will well and truly go to Pert to fix things.  He'd be feeling the pressure right now I'd imagine.  Pride plays a factor too. 

But let's not point the finger at any particular individual for our current plight ... we need a big lift right across the board.  Players,  FD included.

  On 01/05/2019 at 02:26, _H_ said:

The way the AFL forced his appointment against the wishes of what was a unified and high functioning football club wasn’t right with me. 

Again this a really, really big call.

You write as if it is fact not supposition.

What is your evidence (supposition from Caroline Wilson or another journo, or scuttlebut from inside the club isn't evidence by the way)?

Like you i feel terrible about where we are at ATM, as all true fans are. I do wonder how helpful right now it is for dees fans to be debating if we got the right guy and used the right process and repeating rumour an innuendo from journos. Even less helpful to be stating things as inflammatory sa the notion that the AFL controlled pert's appointment not the MFC board as fact not supposition. Hence my cynicism about your motives. 

But i have been watching Counterpoint so perhaps i'm wired to look for conspiracies. 

  On 01/05/2019 at 03:05, dazzledavey36 said:

Damian Barrett

Well the purple scrap is not always correct. 

This better not become a major fire ? if in fact it is smoking at all. I will not put up with more infighting. 

It is “put up or Shut up time”

i want action on the field and nowhere else.