48 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

doesn't mean we ignored it. We aren't going to get leg speed over night. 

Tactics must be changed to suit what we have available 

hone in on ball skills, don’t just play last years model. It never works...

6 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Tactics must be changed to suit what we have available 

hone in on ball skills, don’t just play last years model. It never works...

That would require a different coaching approach SWYL so good luck.

If so many of you are so sure the FD reviewed that game heavily despite the message over the offseason from the club that it wasn't (see post #4 which mentioned some of the times), please explain why that message came out?  What did they hope to achieve by publicly downplaying how much that loss to WCE was analysed? I don't get it.

20 minutes ago, S_T said:

If so many of you are so sure the FD reviewed that game heavily despite the message over the offseason from the club that it wasn't (see post #4 which mentioned some of the times), please explain why that message came out?  What did they hope to achieve by publicly downplaying how much that loss to WCE was analysed? I don't get it.

Goodwin backed in his Gameplan, calling it a bad day. 

I always have thought it was far worse, along with others on here. 

The Coach now, either still backs in his plan or he has hit the wall. 

I think Simon is a good bloke, but i have always been worried that a rookie coach would not be able to sort this club out, our issues are too deep. 

He still has the chance to prove me wrong, and i hope he does, but a huge loss tonight will be a serious punch on and off the field. 

Our list is not balanced, regardless of injury. The 2019 rules have completely sideswiped the MFC Football Dept. 

how this happened has me very concerned. 

Edited April 24, 20195 yr by Sir Why You Little

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Goodwin backed in his Gameplan, calling it a bad day. 

I always have thought it was far worse, along with others on here. 

The Coach now, either still backs in his plan or he has hit the wall. 

I think Simon is a good bloke, but i have always been worried that a rookie coach would not be able to sort this club out, our issues are too deep. 

He still has the chance to prove me wrong, and i hope he does, but a huge loss tonight will be a serious punch on and off the field. 

Our list is not balanced, regardless of injury. The 2019 rules have completely sideswiped the MFC Football Dept. 

how this happened has me very concerned. 

I'm not sure Goodwin still qualifies as a "rookie coach". Not only is he onto his third season as senior coach, but he's also had many years as an assistant including a couple at Melbourne as part of a proper succession plan.

12 hours ago, Dr.D said:

doesn't mean we ignored it. We aren't going to get leg speed over night. 

But we should have got it over the off season. Thats the point.

20 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'm not sure Goodwin still qualifies as a "rookie coach". Not only is he onto his third season as senior coach, but he's also had many years as an assistant including a couple at Melbourne as part of a proper succession plan.

His first Senior Coaching job was with us, We have a bad history with Rookies...

Just now, Demon3 said:

But we should have got it over the off season. Thats the point.

Where from?  

18 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

His first Senior Coaching job was with us, We have a bad history with Rookies...

How many years do you think a coach has to serve before he's no longer a "rookie"? It can't just be that a coach is a "rookie coach" when he's at his first senior job. By that definition Alistair Clarkson and John Longmire would still be "rookies". 

I can accept Goodwin was a "rookie coach" in his first year as our Senior Coach and maybe even his second. But not now that he's into his third.

Edited April 24, 20195 yr by La Dee-vina Comedia
typo

33 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Where from?  

Reckon the draft and trade period would have been a good place to start..

18 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

How many years do you think a coach has to serve before he's no longer a "rookie"? It can't just be that a coach is a "rookie coach" when he's at his first senior job. By that definition Alistair Clarkson and John Longmire would still be "rookies". 

I can accept Goodwin was a "rookie coach" in his first year as our Senior Coach and maybe even his second. But not now that he's into his third.

I used 'rookie' yesterday referring to Goodwin and Mahoney not yet having the experience to steer us thru difficult times such as now, without Roos (for Goodwin) and PJ (for Mahoney) to guide or cover them.

I was making a case for a Neil Balme type to steady the ship and support them thru challenging times thereby reducing the risk of 'rookie' errors.   'So 'rookie' was intended as breadth of experience not time.   

Maybe that is where SWYL picked up the 'rookie' reference.

Edited April 24, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

7 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Reckon the draft and trade period would have been a good place to start..

And which players?  

Just saying 'trade and draft period' is an easy out for you.  Who are these quick and skillful players we missed out on?

28 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

How many years do you think a coach has to serve before he's no longer a "rookie"? It can't just be that a coach is a "rookie coach" when he's at his first senior job. By that definition Alistair Clarkson and John Longmire would still be "rookies". 

I can accept Goodwin was a "rookie coach" in his first year as our Senior Coach and maybe even his second. But not now that he's into his third.

Well then we think differently 

Clarkson and Longmire climbed the mountain ⛰ 

Goodwin thus far has come crashing down to the ground, with no plan B

13 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I used 'rookie' yesterday referring to Goodwin and Mahoney not yet having the experience to steer us thru difficult times such as now, without Roos (for Goodwin) and PJ (for Mahoney) to guide or cover them.

I was making a case for a Neil Balme type to steady the ship and support them thru challenging times thereby reducing the risk of 'rookie' errors.   'So 'rookie' was intended as breadth of experience not time.   

Maybe that is where SWYL picked up the 'rookie' reference.

No I spoke for myself

3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

And which players?  

Just saying 'trade and draft period' is an easy out for you.  Who are these quick and skillful players we missed out on?

Its not an easy out  because Ill tell you exactley ..  and it goes back to the original post, if a proper review was done of the West Coast prelim loss then they would have identified they need to get some serious leg speed into the team.. rather than be seduced by what they think they need.. another big defender.. ridiculous. Take pick 6 and get Zac Buttress , dont use pick 27 on another inside mid like Tom Sparrow, go for Ian hill, quick outside player with great skills, Nick Hind was the quickest player in the VFL.. but we take a bloke called Aaron NIetshcke no one has ever heard of.. i could go on..  Matthew Parker is electric.. the Saints nabbed him at 47.

 

SO there are heaps of examples.. but im a bit over the to and fro Wiseblood, i respect your decision to disagree. Hope the Dees can turn it around.

11 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Well then we think differently 

Clarkson and Longmire climbed the mountain ⛰ 

Goodwin thus far has come crashing down to the ground, with no plan B

It took Clarkson 5 years to as you say " climb the mountain" as senior coach and Longmire inherited a very professional and experienced side to win a flag in his 2nd year.

4 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

It took Clarkson 5 years to as you say " climb the mountain" as senior coach and Longmire inherited a very professional and experienced side to win a flag in his 2nd year.

Thanks for passing on information that we all know

Goodwin is a Rookie Coach at a Club that doesn’t know how to win (still)

Clarkson and Longmire weren’t put in that situation 

3 hours ago, S_T said:

If so many of you are so sure the FD reviewed that game heavily despite the message over the offseason from the club that it wasn't (see post #4 which mentioned some of the times), please explain why that message came out?  What did they hope to achieve by publicly downplaying how much that loss to WCE was analysed? I don't get it.

I'll tell you why. 

As i have said on any number of occasions across multiple threads - and at the real risk of repeating myself and boring posters to death - our communication at the club is appalling. There are any number of examples from big to small. 

PJ made it clear that our focus in terms of our resourcing had to be the football department as you are going nowhere if not winning. And hard to argue against that. Implicit though in that focus was that once winning began other aspects of the club would get attention.

I can only assume that has not occurred because our communication and membership engagement is not up to scratch and is a black eye on the club. And on Gary Pert i reckon. Maybe the last point is bit tough on Pert, but he has had enough time at the club to sort things and communication and membership engagement must be among his KPIs.

Our messaging (or more accurately mixed messaging), our website, our social media, how we respond to membership queries (not blaming the staff by the way on this - it is clearly a system issue and reflects a lack of investment) and our members engagement strategies are all poor.

 

 

14 hours ago, Dr.D said:

doesn't mean we ignored it. We aren't going to get leg speed over night. 

totally Dr.

33 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Thanks for passing on information that we all know

Goodwin is a Rookie Coach at a Club that doesn’t know how to win (still)

Clarkson and Longmire weren’t put in that situation 

Why don't you go into hibernation for the next 5 years or more until Goodwin is no longer coaching the Demons following a successful career.

1 hour ago, Demon3 said:

Reckon the draft and trade period would have been a good place to start..

I reckon we were D3... Gaff.  But IMO during the 2nd Half of the season changed our views on the priority of Gaff,  and at the End, showed we needed much more than foot speed/running power ...

Maybe our tall defenders hadn't come on as wanted or expected during 2019, and with Levers 2nd knee injury... the footy dept May have decided to get the best Tall back we could find. 

.... And then we went to the draft, selecting quick running players.   But they are still 1st Yr players.

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I reckon Our 2019 gloss made us look far more  'complete',  than we really were/are. We Are still building, still developing...  maybe more like  75%  finished ???

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Edited April 24, 20195 yr by DV8

1 minute ago, DV8 said:

I reckon we were D3... Gaff.  But IMO during the 2nd Half of the season changed our views on the priority of Gaff,  and at the End, showed we needed much more than foot speed/running power ...

Maybe our tall defenders hadn't come on as wanted or expected during 2019, and with Levers 2nd knee injury... the footy dept May have decided to get the best Tall back we could find. 

.... And then we went to the draft, selecting quick running players.   But they are still 1st Yr players.

All fair points DV8. As i said, its an oponion game, i respect those who disagree, iI' in the camp that we ignored our most pressing needs and didn't react to a major loss. I hope the  players we drafted really do make it, time will tell.

 

Go Dees.

13 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Tactics must be changed to suit what we have available 

hone in on ball skills, don’t just play last years model. It never works...

Hawthorn's foot skills, for example

Geelong with their ball movement from the back half (hand and foot skills)

Both those teams "tweaked" their style over the years.

Not sure our game plan is amenable to tweaking; as we've seen over the last few weeks, it's all or nothing. When we lose, we lose really badly - we have no "give" in our structures - they are brittle.

28 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Why don't you go into hibernation for the next 5 years or more until Goodwin is no longer coaching the Demons following a successful career.

Leave the humour out of this. You are not a funny man

you and Satyr have the same Blind Faith

So what is your margin for tonight?

22 minutes ago, frankie_d said:

Hawthorn's foot skills, for example

Geelong with their ball movement from the back half (hand and foot skills)

Both those teams "tweaked" their style over the years.

Not sure our game plan is amenable to tweaking; as we've seen over the last few weeks, it's all or nothing. When we lose, we lose really badly - we have no "give" in our structures - they are brittle.

Great isn’t it....