21 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

You're doing it again, dazzle.

You were completely in favour of bringing May to the club. You also posted a link to an article about May's character and what a great person he is.

You can express disappointment/frustration at the way May showed up at the club, or the way the club dealt with his fitness since then, but don't make it sound like the deal was a shocker from the get go because it wasn't, and you certainly didn't think so at the time.

What i didn't not know Titan is him showing up to day 1 unfit. I have also expressed in the past that him publicly shaming GC training standards wasn't the right way to go about it. Yes i was all for bringing May in (still am) but i am judging him on the now.. im sorry but we gave up a valuablepick and he has done nothing to return the favour except turn up unfit and hit some bloke off the ball.

Id stick a fork in him this year. As @Wiseblood said, lets play Petty and see what he has to offer. We have nothing to lose.

Edited April 22, 20196 yr by dazzledavey36

40 minutes ago, Cam Schwab's Whiteboard said:

Obviously May turned up to the club out-of-shape and was playing catch-up through the preseason. It seems as though he is paying for this now.

However, the current state of the List reeks of mismanagement over summer. Players struggling after surgery, a general lack of fitness, and, most damningly, playing whilst injured both during JLT and the early rounds is either a complete breakdown in the football department or desperation from a coaching staff that is telling supporters it's a long season.

WTF is going on?!

Lets look overseas,  for a top-line Injury and conditioning head.

Too look after our knee and shoulder injuries,  and our FEET issues especially.

5 minutes ago, dl4e said:

You are right about Tallarook. There is something wrong at the club. It isn't raining anymore it is starting to pour. Lets see if they now give the kids a chance or go on in denial.

Has anyone taken the time to speak to an official at Tallarook? They might just have a light cold.

12 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Pick 6 for a 27 year old grossly unfit. Go figure.

Its a lottery @ times....hawks gave up a bit & are taking risks with Omera & Scully & who both come to the club with severe injuries.

5 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

especially when you consider he was eligible to be a free agent at the end of 2019

we could've held our nerve, held onto hogan, and then traded him as a non-free agent at the end of 2019 and picked up may on a freebie

disastrous list management when all is said and done

Yep. We should have kept Hogan till the end of his signed contract and then let him go, said it at the time. 

What a disaster year this has evolved into

Jetta kept playing didnt he? tough lil solider.

37 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2019-04-22/jetta-set-for-surgery

Article says it's a separate injury to the one he was originally out with.

Cue anti-Misson posts.

Never ever believe press releases. Take them all with a grain of salt.

 

And especially from Politics.

3 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Its a lottery @ times....hawks gave up a bit & are taking risks with Omera & Scully & who both come to the club with severe injuries.

But they didn’t pay nearly as high for them

2 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Its a lottery @ times....hawks gave up a bit & are taking risks with Omera & Scully & who both come to the club with severe injuries.

The big difference is the Hawks got Scully for nothing. I’m not sure about O’Meara. 

1 hour ago, Petraccattack said:

Hopefully now you can see Misson is [censored] terrible, AF.

 

It would now seem that way. Of course, it could be bad luck. Jetta certainly came off second best early on in the game, but to me, he looked unfit to play the first time he went near it.

13 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yep. We should have kept Hogan till the end of his signed contract and then let him go, said it at the time. 

What a disaster year this has evolved into

Hogan didn't want to stay & wanted the trade done...dont disagree not looking great now but if a player wants to leave...

Has they May setback been confirmed?  The club has obviously put out an article on Jetta, but apart from some speculation, I haven't seen any confirmation on May.

1 minute ago, chook fowler said:

The big difference is the Hawks got Scully for nothing. I’m not sure about O’Meara. 

pick 10 that the Hawks got from Carlton and the Hawks second rounder plus a bucket of money.

O'Meara wasn't cheap... probably not a great trade

12 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

But they didn’t pay nearly as high for them

Hawthorn to send its own 2017 second-round pick to Gold Coast, along with pick No.10 for Jaeger O'Meara.

Scully was pick 53

FB: Jetta.   Lever.    Hibberd

HB:  Smith.   May.    Kolodjashnij 

We have one person available from our best backline (imo) in Hibberd who isn’t exactly in great form.

Id say the backline is the most important group of players who need to ‘gel’ for a team to be successful. They need to know who is going to go and when and back there team mate to win the contest.

I genuinely feel this year is toast. Can only hope all these boys get ten weeks after the bye to play together and develop something great.

Edited April 22, 20196 yr by Deeko2

Diabolical!  The handling of this team pre season is a disgrace!  As a paid up member I am sick of mismanagement of player injuries and fitness. Keep throwing money at the club that is giving nothing in return.  The club is not accountable to its supporters.  Stuff them!!!

31 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I love Jetta as I think/hope most of us on here do.

But he's been so poor in the games he's played this year that the loss to us of him going out is negligible.

So I agree with you that this is at least a chance to see who else on the list can play on mid/small forwards and aspire to play the role Jetta's been struggling to achieve in 2019.

Fingers crossed Jetta comes back post-bye in good health and can make an impact in the second half of the season.

This (our poor start to this season) might yet have a silver lining for us,  but not this year on the Ladder.

Now Re Jetta being another long out.

 

We have always been torn up by classy small forwards.  

This now, ( because of our ladder position ) and our unavailability of our better players...  gives us the opportunity to try out some kids,  of which we have a few small players, who have some speed.

Sadly I think this will shorten Garlett's time with us.  because he won't play a part in finals, for us.

 

We have to start to look at our future players, now !!!   Prior to the mid-season draft.

Interestingly... we withdrew many of these kids from our game against the AFL U-18's team this Saturday just gone. 

I think, a couple will come in on Wednesday. ?

51 minutes ago, Cam Schwab's Whiteboard said:

However, the current state of the List reeks of mismanagement over summer. Players struggling after surgery, a general lack of fitness, and, most damningly, playing whilst injured both during JLT and the early rounds is either a complete breakdown in the football department or desperation from a coaching staff that is telling supporters it's a long season.

WTF is going on?!

MFC is managing the whole thing like Fremantle did when they first played finals. Blaming next years poor start on a reduced pre-season, less injury/surgery recovery time and so on. 

It's no excuse. Clubs like Hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney plan their whole year around having an off season that runs from early October to February. Clubs like St Kilda and the WB (and it looks like MFC as well) plan an off season that runs from the end of August to February. And they don't seem to be able handle an off season that included some September action.

Won’t be a destination club anymore!  The players will have no confidence in fitness staff!!

2 minutes ago, Soidee said:

Diabolical!  The handling of this team pre season is a disgrace!  As a paid up member I am sick of mismanagement of player injuries and fitness. Keep throwing money at the club that is giving nothing in return.  The club is not accountable to its supporters.  Stuff them!!!

Don't buy one then and move on.

In fact, I'll buy an extra one next year to make up for it.

33 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

The thing is wise, he was a free agent after this year so we paid top value to get him in and make us a threat this year or at the very least create the chemistry with the backline. It's a huge failure no matter how you look at it.

You've made a good point here.  In hindsight.

18 minutes ago, Soidee said:

Diabolical!  The handling of this team pre season is a disgrace!  As a paid up member I am sick of mismanagement of player injuries and fitness. Keep throwing money at the club that is giving nothing in return.  The club is not accountable to its supporters.  Stuff them!!!

So its the clubs fault that 17 players needed surgery??

Don't disagree on questioning the  fitness & conditioning from Mission who FYI is leaving, but I dare say he would have warned the coaches  to expect an impact  on their readiness for the season.

 

 

Edited April 22, 20196 yr by Demonsone

15 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

The big difference is the Hawks got Scully for nothing. I’m not sure about O’Meara. 

That's right, so then they don't sacrifice their future, for the now.

4 minutes ago, Aus in Engerland said:

MFC is managing the whole thing like Fremantle did when they first played finals. Blaming next years poor start on a reduced pre-season, less injury/surgery recovery time and so on. 

It's no excuse. Clubs like Hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney plan their whole year around having an off season that runs from early October to February. Clubs like St Kilda and the WB (and it looks like MFC as well) plan an off season that runs from the end of August to February. And they don't seem to be able handle an off season that included some September action.

I get what you’re tying to stay but all teams have to give players mandatory leave post the end of the year and then usually start preseason the moment that finishes. 

So teams finishing earlier without finals obviously start preseason earlier.

One would expect the boys who finish late in September would still be professional enough to look after themselves.

 

17 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

The big difference is the Hawks got Scully for nothing. I’m not sure about O’Meara. 

Scully was cheap (trade wise) not just because of his injury if I remember correctly.

He was still on big dollars and in contract which means that the hawks have to pay this in full. 

GWS clearly accepted less than what he would go for (trade wise) in order for someone to take over and pay his contract in full.